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- gllopc, on 10/21/2008, -5/+74I'm sure this will incite some downward digging, but Mac OS X already blows the doors off of Windows in terms of speed and usability. We all have our share of crashes and issues on *any* OS, but I have far fewer crashes and speed issues. For instance: never does a Mac require you to wait while it connects to an outside resource (network drive, USB drive, etc).
I make my living in a Windows environment, and I think it's mostly solid. But Max OS X, at least currently, is winning in this regard, without the upgrade to Snow Leopard. - Crazd, on 10/21/2008, -1/+47I'm very interested in what the upgrade cost will be. If all the changes are under the hood, how many average consumers would be willing to shell out $130? It better be on the cheap side.
- StigNordas, on 10/21/2008, -0/+43Built in exchange support, Finally! I've already transitioned to Pages, Keynote and Numbers. The last POS on my 'book is Entourage, and I can't wait to never use it again.
- aussieNickuss, on 10/22/2008, -2/+41I used a brand-new USB mouse the other day to demonstrate the difference between Mac and Windows to somebody.
I plugged the mouse into Vista, got the di-ding sound, then the "Found New Hardware" bubble, then an "Installing New Hardware" bubble, then another bubble...this time with "Found New Hardware: USB Human Interface Device", then after about 30 seconds, a "Your new hardware is installed and ready to use" bubble popped-up at which time the red laser on the mouse turned on and the mouse became usable.
Plugged the same mouse into a MacBook running Leopard......the mouse was usable instantaneously. - serif69, on 10/21/2008, -2/+35The biggest thing for me is transitioning the Finder to Cocoa. If there has been a consistent complaint over the years with OS X, it has been with the Finder.
- Angostura, on 10/21/2008, -2/+31I'm not sure. One of the things I really liked about the move from 10.1 - 10.2 - 10.3 was knowing that with each iteration you would be getting a faster Mac. That stopped in 10.4-10.5. I would pretty much pay the usual price for a faster machine and fewer beachballs in Finder.
- spdorsey, on 10/21/2008, -2/+29Knowing Apple, it will be the same cost as any upgrade. It may not have a huge list of features, but one major feature is the full 64-but support and Intel-compliant architecture. Don't underestimate this. I'll pay the $130 gladly to keep Apple innovating.
It will still be another year or 2 before ALL the apps catch up (some are already there), but when they do, the MAc OS will BLOW the doors off its Windows counterparts in terms of both speed and usability. - SurRea1, on 10/21/2008, -4/+30That's the only thing I wish for in Leopard - more speed, otherwise it's a perfect OS.
- MarkusX, on 10/21/2008, -0/+22I think Microsoft Exchange support built-in is the biggest improvement, no question.
- WinGeek, on 10/22/2008, -1/+21"That is in a stark contrast to Windows 7, which shapes up to be a maintenance release for Vista to clean up the interface, add a few features and correct some mistakes Microsoft made with Vista"
Did you mean to say OS X Snow Leopard there instead of Windows 7? After all Apple has said many times that Snow Leopard will only be a service release that will improve the internal workings of the OS but add very few new features and correct mistakes with Leopard.
And don't you think it is a little premature to even talk about what will be included in Windows 7? Next Tuesday Microsoft has a keynote at PDC where they will finally reveal what exactly we will see in Windows 7. Microsoft has already hinted at many speed improvements. - nunofgs, on 10/22/2008, -0/+19You should get that cough checked.
- inactive, on 10/21/2008, -3/+21*waits for tabbed finder*
Would i would like to see
1. Themes, or the ability to change the menu bar colors, etc without a lot of work (apple supported themes)
2. Make quicktime not suck, let me save the videos or change the sizes without paying for the pro version
3. More time machine options (weekly scheduling etc), or the ability to set time machines options for multiple computers over the network.
4. Enhance the mail app, more options and sorting , etc maybe with exchange support they will have this.
5. give me the option to "cut:" not just copy and then have to go back and delete the originals
6. More spotlight options, maybe bigger thumbnails etc - runeasgar, on 10/21/2008, -2/+19Can't wait for it. Leopard is phenomenal, more speed and more cocoa is ideal.
- whitesaint, on 10/21/2008, -0/+16I totally agree that people have been waiting 7-8 years for a Cocoa Finder and it still hasn't happened. But the Finder has evolved quite a bit over the years to the point where just it "being Cocoa" wouldn't make that much of a difference. The Finder has all the features of a great file organizer. Other than 64-bit, what benefits would a Cocoa Finder bring?
- TheGreatBelow, on 10/22/2008, -2/+17They better fix the "Airport: Scanning..." issue.
- bobartig, on 10/22/2008, -0/+15Windows 7 is going to be a paid major release of Windows, correct? And, if it fixes "all the problems in Vista", don't you end up with something pretty good? I was already kind of banking on Windows 7 being good, since it will drive Apple to improve OS X even more.
- carterx, on 10/21/2008, -0/+14Will be interesting to compare Snow Leopard to Windows Vista & "7" for speed when released
- MtheoryX, on 10/21/2008, -0/+14Amen! I hate Entourage with a passion.
- dougvfr750, on 10/21/2008, -5/+18"I feel the need, the need for speed"
- whitesaint, on 10/21/2008, -0/+13Nice list, but one thing about #5:
Why not just drag the file or folder to your destination? Dragging and dropping is a convenient way to get stuff between places and applications. I really think dragging and dropping is one of those features that just scream "MAC!!!!". But otherwise you're right, a "Cut" feature would be nice. - bradleyland, on 10/21/2008, -0/+12Please tell us, what about a Cocoa Finder are you so excited about?
- BrendanSheehan, on 10/21/2008, -0/+12Yeah the whole "cut" thing becomes ridiculous when you use Exposé for a week or two. Dragging and dropping on the Mac is great, even between Spaces.
- colincornaby, on 10/22/2008, -1/+13Snow Leopard will be the first commercial OS (excluding Linux, props to the Linux guys) that ships with every driver and application in 64 bit, uses the general purpose GPU's out of the box, and have nearly automatic threading built in to split existing apps over 8 cores. It should be the speediest OS out there.
- inactive, on 10/21/2008, -0/+11Mostly i do, but i hate having to open another finder, thats why i wish i had the tabs
- krische, on 10/22/2008, -1/+11Will Quicktime X finally support Windows Media Video files so I no longer need Flip4Mac?
- BrendanSheehan, on 10/22/2008, -0/+9F11 is great, but "active screen corners" are far better!
- Raptor007, on 10/22/2008, -0/+9That'd be nice; the "importing" step is so obnoxious. I just use VLC.
- aussieNickuss, on 10/22/2008, -0/+9I love how you can press F11 (or whatever you have set for show desktop), click and drag a file from the desktop, press F11 again to get your windows back and then drop the file onto one of your open applications. It seems so simple to Mac users, yet it impresses the pants off any Windows user watching you.
- inactive, on 10/21/2008, -0/+8I think you're grossly underestimating the value of built-in Exchange support for Mail / Address Book / iCal.
Also, writing to all the cores of the Intel chips is going to be big. - jwdav, on 10/22/2008, -0/+8You can "cut" and paste a file by holding down the Command key when dragging and dropping.
Unmodified behavior dragging and dropping to another volume = copy
Command Key + Drag & Drop = cut & paste - Ugotownedo, on 10/21/2008, -5/+13That's good news. And I'm not even a mac fan. I just want the competition to get better, because the more competition there is, the better Microsoft will do as well.
- KMartSheriff, on 10/22/2008, -0/+8Hopefully the update released today did exactly that.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/21/2008, -15/+23Lol Apple folks already beating on Windows 7 "Just a maintenence release".
How many versions of OSX is this now?
Still openCL looks interesting. - AngelBunny, on 10/22/2008, -1/+9if you want to place bets i'll put down a couple hundred $$ right now for osx on speed.
- albyliontk, on 10/21/2008, -2/+9I heard about Snow Leopard earlier this year, apparently thisoperating system is not about interface and the design but the functionality so it should be in this respect an even much better copy of the actual OS X Leopard.
QFA: "So we were told that Apple will "hit the pause on innovations" for Snow Leopard and focus on core enhancements instead. The company is re-writing large parts of the OS code in Cocoa that it recommends to developers as the preferred application environment." - AndrewWiggin, on 10/22/2008, -0/+7Snow Leopard is due out next summer, not 2011. Due in 2011 they were talking about a version of Windows that takes advantage of multiple cores (the way Snow Leopard will).
- jwdav, on 10/22/2008, -1/+8the Mac Pro is the cheapest Mac you can buy based on what the components cost.
2 x Xeon Quad Core = $1600
Motherboard = $400
That leaves you $300 and still having to buy:
Case/RAM/HD/Vid Card/WiFi/BlueTooth/OS & Software + + - freefallgrue, on 10/22/2008, -1/+8Unfortunately, I can't turn off the sandy vagina channel, so I still get to see your comments.
- Shaggy3, on 10/22/2008, -1/+8Its quite obvious to me.
The cooler the insides of a computer are the smoother the computer runs.
Coldness + Leopard = Snow Leopard
Apple is simply adding a refrigerated cooling system to all future products. - sjmulder, on 10/22/2008, -0/+7I bow down in adoration. You are so cool and clever!
- DouglasScott, on 10/22/2008, -0/+7Coca applications are impressive when done right as they are very light and snappy, and make use of powerful system libraries. (Such as core animation, core data). As the finder is running all the time, there might be performance boost here. Knowing Apple, they will exploit the performance boot to add features and that is the key. Coverflow is just the beginning of what they could do.
Showy stuff doesn't impress me much, performance and stability would be the bigger deal. - stredarts, on 10/22/2008, -0/+6Have you heard of ZFS, Sun's 128 bit filesystem?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Capacity
It has a theoretical capacity that far surpasses any foreseeable storage device. Sometimes its nice to know that you won't have to redesign something for a while. - BossKey, on 10/22/2008, -0/+6@mrsteveman - They cleaned that up a lot in Leopard. Now you get a little window letting you know that a network volume is offline, and a "Disconnect" button. They haven't completed cleaning it up, but it's a whole lot better and you don't get nearly as many file systems lockups on unavailable network volumes as there were before Leopard.
I think they realized they HAD to clean it up if they were going to deliver Time Machine. When I forget to dismount a network volume these days, it's usually my Time Machine volume over the network which automounts itself. But it's handled so well that it won't keep the laptop from sleeping when I close the lid and have to go, and when I resume at my destination it handles the missing volume rather gracefully as described above. If they hadn't have worked on this, Time Machine would have driven people mad. - DouglasScott, on 10/22/2008, -0/+6Snow Leopard Server is what I'm really interested in. Yes, Apple does make a server OS and it is really extensive. It is not just 10.5 with some added stuff, it is a whole different thing. I run it with network directories for ~400 users.
You can tell that Apple REALLY wants this space and will sacrifice the blood of thousands of employees if that is what it takes to be the very best. Windows admins get all bitchy about this, but it's true. - dagamer34, on 10/22/2008, -0/+6You assume Windows 7 will indeed fix Vista. Heck, Vista was supposed to fix XP remember?
- blitzcraig7, on 10/21/2008, -2/+8I want more options for time machine. I also want it to be easier to put Dashboard widgets directly on the desktop. Also, add support for a true maximize button that you could use a toggle key with when hitting the green button on every window. I want true wall-to-wall maximizing at a single click.
- robbiedo, on 10/22/2008, -2/+8Advertising...Advertising...Advertising...Fix Vista.
Better put it all in Advertising. - Ugotownedo, on 10/21/2008, -0/+6Cocoa? How about some hot coffee?
- geniusj, on 10/22/2008, -0/+6Apple won me over with Column view.. But they had that in 10.0 :-)
- smmakira, on 10/22/2008, -0/+6I think the main point is to truly bury the PowerPC architecture. Leopard was a farewell for the PowerPC. Snow Leopard is going to take advantage of all the hardware currently sitting in Intel macs. When you look at this transition it wasn't that bad of an idea. They didn't want to piss off the PowerPC crowd. Very smart.
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