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- lagrange, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28no way in hell is firefox going to store my bookmarks in a binary sql format. Whats wrong with human readable XML?! Are we really supposed to believe access to a bookmarks file is so intensive it needs a SQL engine?
- bertdevriese, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Acid Test Screenshot:
http://www.fileshare.be/se/img/25736/bonecho.jpg - bertdevriese, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Firefox 1.5 also supports SVG...??!!
- LaslarsFermion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19It can happily co-exist with 1.5 if you set it up right.
- NoMoreNicksLeft, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15It does.
Check out some of the stuff I've been doing in SVG...
http://pdatabase.dyndns.biz/test9.php
http://pdatabase.dyndns.biz/test11.php
Instructions for the first: Click and drag the little grid, it's primitive 3d rendering in javascript.
For the second: Click and drag any dot, inverse kinematics. - KAMiKAZOW, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Firefox 2.0 will use the Gecko 1.8 branch -- just like Firefox 1.5. The rendering will not be improved for FF2 -- at least not that much.
This is how trunk builds (will become FF 3.0) render Acid2: http://flickr.com/photos/11294384@N00/93741157/
(This image was taken in January, but you get the idea) - Lodarage, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17You're just too lazy to rename the icon to Firefox. :-
- bjwest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11When are they going to get rid of the need to restart when changing theme or extension. Neither KDE nor Gnome need it, so why does the browser? That, in my opinion, is something that they should have fixed way back in pre 1.0 times.
- NoMoreNicksLeft, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Heh. I wish they'd use the Download Statusbar as the official download manager. It's slick, doesn't open another window, is small as hell, and removes itself after an appropriate duration.
It's such a neat GUI idea, I plan on using something similar in my own software. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12more ironic is the fact that youre a digg user, but still using ie ;)
- chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Have they improved the download manager? If I remember correctly, that was one of the major features listed for 2.0 a few months ago.
It looks as though it was pushed back again. I hope I'm wrong. - donatj, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I hope this is SARCASM because Maxthon is the ***** pile of ***** there ever was, its just Internet Explorer preloaded with 200 bars
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7the alpha/beta stage release always uses this/these icon/s...
when its officially released to the public, they replace the stuff with "regular" icons/pics.
its been going on for a while now. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Okay dudes, it's actually extremely easy to run multiple versions of Firefox on the same computer.
(edit: the quick way-> Just add -profilemanager to whatever links on whatever operating system, and choose the right profile for each Firefox install. But if you want to run both /simultaniously/ read on.)
Step 1: Clone your old profile or make a new one. I recommend making a new one for Bon Echo since none of your extensions are going to work anyways, and you can always rebuild your bookmarks pretty quickly (remember, Bon Echo is a testing platform, not an every-day use browser). If you need help cloning your profile, Google's your friend. Else, just add the -profilemanager flag when you start Firefox and it'll ask you if you want to make a new profile. ( *n*x: ./firefox -profilemanager, Win: "C:/blah/Firefox/firefox.exe" -profilemanager ).
Step 2: once you've completed step 1, you'll need to tell each version of Firefox which profile to use. In order to be able to do this, on your operating system, you have to set an environmental variable. If you're unfamiliar with this step Unix Guys (which you shouldn't be, environmental variables are godsends), Google's your friend. A lot of the time it's just "setenv VARIABLE_NAME=VARIABLE_VALUE" (bash), but it's different for every system you're on (it depends on what shell you're using), so I'm not even going to try to nail out how to set the environment correctly on your system. (OS X users, you can also modify your ~/.MacOS/environment.plist file, which might be a lot easier for newbies; the plist file is just an XML document that does the same thing as setting the variable in the shell; BASH users can modify their ~/.bashrc file and add the line "export MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1", without the quotes. On any Unix, you'll have to log out of your current user and log back in to see the changes).
But, since the majority of Diggers seem to be Windows users, and since Windows does it the same way no matter what, Control Panel->System->Advanced Tab->Environmental Variables button->New Variable. The variable is MOZ_NO_REMOTE and it must be set to 1 for this to work (So in Windows, Variable Name: MOZ_NO_REMOTE. Variable Value: 1).
Step 3: After that's done, the rest is trivial; In Windows, append -p "profile_name" to the end of the shortcut, and Firefox will always use that profile (Bon Echo and Firefox must have seperate profiles for this to work, see above). In UNIX, Firefox is usually started by a batch script, and you'll simply modify the line that has ./firefox or anything of the like and add -p "profile_name" to the end of that line. (Usually in your Unicies, the script that starts Firefox is /usr/bin/firefox and contains a line like "${FIREFOX_PATH}/firefox". That line becomes "${FIREFOX_PATH}/firefox -p "profile_name"" (remove outer quotes)).
Is it a lot of work? Maybe. I just installed and setup BE on all of the machines in my house in about 5 minutes, but I know all of my OSes pretty well. If you need any help, IRC is always there for you, and so is the Mozilla Crew. They'll be glad to see you jumping through hoops for them. - shakin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The download manager from the March 21 nightly is the same as in 1.5 so I doubt this release is any different. The biggest differences are:
1. Browser is not a memory hog. On Linux (Ubuntu Breezy) I can open a dozen tabs and surf around for a while and it never uses more than about 60 MB of RAM.
2. The Places dialog is kind of a neat way to do bookmarks + RSS +N history. Unfortunately actually bookmarking a site is a bit worse. The old style would show you your most commonly used bookmark folders for easy selection, but the new style puts you straight into a Places-style dialog. It's ok, just a bit slower since you have to expand the tree and find the right folder every time. One big plus is that if you're on a site you already have bookmarked and you try to make another bookmark, it will open up your existing bookmark for editing instead of creating a second one to the same place.
3. Better options, especially for tabs. Nothing new if you use an extension to gain more tab features, but nice for people who don't use one. Extensions seem compatible with this release if you open the xpi and edit install.rdf to change the maxVersion paramater to a higher number. - hadiz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6About Bon Echo
Continuing the tradition, Firefox 2 will use a pre-release code name taken from a public park. Bon Echo Provincial Park is located in Ontario, Canada. The name literally translates to "good echo", and reflects how it is our goal echoes that of Firefox 1, once again focusing on improving the browsing experience for our users, making it simple, effective, fast and useful.
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox2 - dissident, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5does this version still remove bookmarks and history and replace them with places? Bad move, in my opinion. They should still leave the option to do it the old way.
- mirzmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This digg post should really have linked here instead:
http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2006/03/21/bon-echo-alpha-1-milestone/
I say this if only so that people can see the message warning that the Alpha 1 milestone is recommended only for developers and testers!
So, if you're planning on running the Alpha 1 milestone, just keep in mind that there's no guarantee against data-loss bugs or anything like so. - apjoseph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Yes, there is SVG support in FF 1.5
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/SVG_in_Firefox_1.5 - mvprj84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I updated the Portable version of this build so that it will use a separate profile from your original installation:
http://www.digg.com/software/Portable_Firefox_2.0_Alpha_1_Updated_To_Official_Build_-_Great_For_Testing - nogami, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I figure it probably breaks almost all of the extensions I regularly use, so I'm gonna wait on this one for a good while... My extensions are more important than a new version :P
- norbiu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Current users of Mozilla Firefox 1.x should not use Bon Echo Alpha 1."
- tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Not if you don't blindly click "Next, Next, Next, Next" in the installer...
- theOster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i think he's just being funny...
- Syntaxis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I agree, for certain applications I do hope the data is still accessible in some way without nasty hacks.
- mirzmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Recent community newsgroup discussions have led to the decision to put the close button on only the active tab, I believe.
- 2create, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3do'h I prefered the 1 close tab button to the right not a close tab button on each tab like safari, can't do rapid tab closing.
- inaxdaze, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes, Bon Echo installs in to a separate directory if you choose custom installation (by default it installs to Program Files - Bon Echo [on Windows]). I'd advise you to create a new profile if you want to play around with it, though.
I looked at it for a bit (not that there is a lot to do in this version), and it seems pretty neat. It looks like the bookmarks section is going to get a significant update. I like how they included the "my subscriptions" folder to allow you to view all your RSS feeds easily.
I read somewhere that 2.0 will essentially be a release aimed at getting users to migrate over to Firefox by optimizing some things and making it easier to find things. Don't look for a bundle of new features to be implemented (not that there should be, since that would defeat the purpose of extensions). - mikkel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You can close tabs in a lot of ways, the one I personally like the best is a simple click with your scroll wheel
- tsupersonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well it's the same thing as the ones that were on digg. If you don't want it to replace your previous firefox, I suggest you download the Portable Firefox 2. (I know the link was already on digg, but just a reminder).
http://www.cybernetnews.com/?p=411 - NoMoreNicksLeft, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Same here. Hopefully someone will write an extension to revert it back to the old way. I don't want to be clicking on a tab and accidentally close it.
- kibo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2As they said "Bon Echo Alpha 1 is intended for web application developers" what do they mean by this , does it have some special features. I really love FF as there is many useful extensions .. , maybe those rock solid extensions will be packed into new FF 2.0 ?
- PHPGeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I can see one reason why you would need SQL for bookmarks: LiveBookmarks..If you bookmark a bunch of RSS feeds that always updating and displaying in your bookmarks SQL makes a whole lot of sense and opens up some nifty extension possibilites.... For traditional bookmarks I agree -- it's hitting an ant with steam roller.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Intel Mac guys, read up on how to build it (it's not exceedingly hard or anything), build it, throw a link up and everyone will be happy. Else, Rosetta translation should be able to take care of it, and it shouldn't be too much slower.
Mac guys, this build is /fast/. It spanks FF1.5 on all of my Macs, and spanks Camino on the slower ones. Still hard to beat the speed demon Safari though. Can't wait until Adblock Bon Echo is released. Not to mention I've got a bug to file with the Adblock guys, probably should do that soon. - catoutfit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this has been pissing me off too.
- tomee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It seems the sidebar isn't available at all in this version.
- sergio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Personal tastes. I hated the one separate close button for all tabs, requiring me to select that tab in order to close it. Much preferred Opera's way of being able to close a tab that does not have focus.
- SupaDawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1update to the BETA2 refresh released on monday. It clears IE7 of this bug. It actually made a lot of fixes to the way it sees digg. I'd assume MS is ironing CSS/AJAX bugs out of IE7.
- fani, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I love Firefox but I hate the upgrade paths. They are painful.
1. Your extensions are not guaranteed to work. This alone made me wait till today to upgrade till 1.51 from 1.07
Now some extensions work and some don't. This is ridiculous.
2. The browser is a memory hog. 2 tabs open and 100MB memory used. Ridiculous.
3. Browser slows down on occasion. It also crashes on occasion though very rarely.
4. Some plugins don't work no matter what ( eg. Windows media player ). However, IE Tab extension corrects this but it really means I'm using IE and not native FF. Ridiculous
5. Other minor gripes
Opera is the best browser. Don't know why I stopped using Opera. Now I'll switch back to Opera now that its free. - trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Any universal binaries avaiable? Not going to work so well on my Intel Mac in the meantime :/
- natmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I tried the FF 3 trunk more recently and only found two acid2 bugs. They're almost there...
- greenknight, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Most extensions need to have their max version bumped, but most will work if you do that. If you install the Nightly Tester Tools extension, all you have to do is click a button to make your extensions compatible. But this build really is for web developers and serious testers, lots of bugs in it.
- cyclo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You are comparing Apples to Oranges here, IE7 is now, I believe Beta2 while this version of Firefox 2.0 is still Alpha. In Greek terms, Alpha comes before Beta.
- neofactor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Since this is a developer edition.. stay clear for general use.
I played with it this AM... but quickly reverted back to FF1.5... having to re-enable many extensions. Simple enough... - pynej, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I use a custom compiled distro on my MAC, works perfectly, and fast.
- localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The official Firefox name and logo's are only used on official releases by Mozilla. Distro's are not allowed to use the logos as they all make some sort of changes to the software for their specific distro - this leaves them with the blue globe option.
- WillyWonka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's meant for people programming extensions so that they can test with it before it's released to the public. That way your extensions will work on day 1.
- mikes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3can you still run firefox 1.5 on the same pc?
- mmcmonster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They tried that in the pre-1.0 days, and there were too many problems.
For themes, they were suppose to re-enable it after 1.0 came out. For the extensions, there are too many things extensions can touch, so a restart is probably always going to be necessary. - catoutfit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1with regards to point 4.
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