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- Mudcrutch, on 10/12/2007, -17/+45will it be faster than IE 7?
i am sure to get buried with that comment! - strcmp, on 10/12/2007, -11/+34The secret is revealed: comments that predict their own burial will actually be dugg. Reminds me of Slashdot.
This comment will probably be buried. - mastercheif, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24Finally, a real upgrade from 1.0. 1.5 wasn't enough of a step up, it was just more secure.
I hope they fix the memory leaking. - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Spell-As-You-Type!!! I love thee firefox.
- curtissthompson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Alpha 1 Status:
Release Issues & Timing:
* need 3-4 days after code complete - Nodren, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13if you took the time to look at the Firefox 2 roadmap, you'd see they've planned on releasing Alpha 1 in the first quarter of this year. also, 2.0 was meant to be an update with more user focused features off the same branch as 1.5 uses. they arnt going to make any significant changes to the actual browser engine. i wouldnt expect them to take any longer then this given what they set out to accomplish.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.html - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13hey, i'm all for keeping it held back in release, wait for it and get it right
- spliznork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I'm also nervous about their plan to remove the status bar at the bottom that currently indicates the destination of a link. The status bar is like a rear view mirror for me... I only really notice just how much I use it when it's not there.
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Location_Bar - SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11The tech industry thrives off of a combination of immitation and innovation. If each company had to only use their own ideas and reinvent the wheel each time they made a new product, we'd never have a single decent product. Many aspects of Opera, Firefox, IE, Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, any videogame, have been borrowed from other similar products, it's inevitable and beneficial, so don't complain please, just accept it because it's the way things are and there's nothing malicious about it.
- Tyrel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Notice one of the bullet points under Release Issues & Timing:
* plan is to promote this as developer only release, low-key announce
Hello, digg... - Yogurth, on 10/12/2007, -6/+142.0 will hardly do anything for memory releated issuses since it will be based on old code of Gecko. This means that the shell(Firefox itself) will not go through significant rewriting or changes. If anything memory leaks will be reduced or flushed in version 3.0 which will be based on a completely rewritten Gecko engine.
Unfortunately that may be too late...memory problems will drive many users back to IE(7) (which will be official long before Firefox 3).
*edit: this wasn't ment to be a reply, I guess I pushed a wrong button ^^ - DSunstrum, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Looks good. Looking forward to RSS feature fixes.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9i cant wait for this im looking for the session saver feature.
- MikeEnIke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9It isn't a memory 'leak' as it is mistaken. An article was posted on digg about this, it is, infact, a feature to help browse inbetween the tabs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I assume you're being silly, since we all know by now the number isn't $72mil and that it obviously isn't going to development. Or rather, some of it will go to development, but most of it will obviously go to paying for office space, marketing, webmasters, secretaries, lawyers, etc.
- schmiggyjk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Why not just use the session saver extension?
- jason2584, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Perhaps these features don't work as intended because it's the FIRST ALPHA of the 2.0 cycle. It's not a public release. It's not even beta.
- dognose, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Let's see what $72 million in development will buy.
- Misos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7We'll see if it's anything significant when it's released. A change in a number doesn't necessarily mean a damned thing.
- ckedge, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13It was only 3 months ago they released 1.5, what have they done in 3 months that justifies going from v1.5 to 2.0???
- koko775, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@yogurth: except that only power users really understand memory consumption, and those power users usually don't choose IE. You'd be surprised at how willing computer-illiterates go along with whatever their fellow geeks tell them.
- Raian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6They really, really need to focus on the UI for the mac version-- I think it would be nice if they could combine the UI of Camino with the features of Firefox.
- tagawa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Some of the claimed memory leaks are indeed due to a 'feature' (it still makes me smile that they called it that!) but there are still memory leak problems. Not as many as in 1.0 but definitely still there.
- truebullfan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5i agree the memory leak needs to be fixed. Just wondering how much memory should firefox take if i have one tab open? right now i have firefox talking up 108k w/ 2 tabs open
- MrSpontaneous, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm a bit wary of the proposed UI changes I've seen floating around. However, I'll hold off on judgment until I actually get to use a version. They've moved the refresh icon, the RSS feed icon and the Go-button inside the location bar, which may make sense in a relational way, but for everyone out there who's used a web browser before, this could be a little annoying. Hopefully you can simply drag+drop them out if it gets to be bad.
I'd really like to see them make the location box rounded to match the search box. I know there's an extension that does it, but the default look should be uniform. - kritic, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Excellent! Looks like Mozilla is once again going to make the browser experience more interesting.
- Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Um, Konqueror is lightning fast compared to Firefox. About the only browser that is faster is Safari, and that's based on Konqueror's rendering engine.
Yes, Konqueror tries to be a lot of things - file manager, image viewer, etc, but the "views" are loaded on demand, so if all you ever use Konqueror for is web browsing, they aren't going to slow things down. - dognose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I know the number isn't exactly $72 million. Might it be more? It was $5M in 2004. Most of their salaries went to developers, QA, Architects, etc., high priced ones.
- Tyrekicker, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Konqueror has had spell-as-you-type for years.
(Disclaimer: I use firefox despite this fact. I am not a KDE fanboy) - RaysinX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I still do not have all the extensions and themes I want when I switched from 1 to 1.5, Now 2.0? I'm all for improvment, but I just hope that firefox isn't going backwards here.
When you are open source you cant expect all your developers to update their extensions every three months or so - odysseus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Firefox startup performance tracking bug:
h**ps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7251
Startup performance graphs (Fx 1.5 vs. IE7b vs. Opera9) - guess who wins?
http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#winspeed - schmiggyjk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I was worried about that too, but if you read your link, its just turned off by default, if they go through with it. So a quick options check should bring the status bar back.
- centinall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4what about making firefox/thunderbird/etc as plug-ins for XULRunner? I know the roadmap says nothing about this, but I had read elsewhere that this was eventually going to be a goal. Any ideas?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Firefox is perfect as it is. Better/more CSS 1/2/3 support is all I ask for.
- EmmEff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If only Konq wasn't trying to be every app in KDE, it'd actually be acceptable. Peformance of Konq is abyssmal at best. I've given it a chance a dozen times since it's inception and every time it just disappoints. I'm not saying FF is the be-all (I'm using Safari to type this), but Konq is no competition IMHO.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"Konqueror has had spell-as-you-type for bloody ages"
Yeah, and so has a billion other browsers. The point is Firefox is getting it. While *insert-"I'm a fan of Browser-X"* statements are good and all, when Browser-X only runs on a subset of operating systems with equally low popularity, you start to see the meaningfulness of the comment diminished. (Browser that only runs on Linux/BSD, that is already a small minority of PCs, then you add on it that of the 15% of marketshare that isn't owned by Microsoft, this broswer occupies about 1% of it...) - richbradshaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have no problem with memory usage in Fx.. Am I the only person?
- Chupatumama, on 10/12/2007, -2/+42.0?
Damn! Half of my fave extensions havent even upgraded to 1.5 yet. - EdgeOfEpsilon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It would be really difficult for Camino to support extensions - Camino ditched XUL for native Cocoa widgets. XUL is how the interface in Firefox works on all platforms. The browser engine actually renders the interface (chrome). That's the reason Camino is faster, and the reason it's OS X only. Extensions all use XUL for their GUI modifications.
To make Camino support extensions, they'd have to graft the XUL stuff onto Camino. At that point, Camino would be Firefox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I'm not sure you understand the Firefox roadmap / process. They have multiple branches that they are working on consecutively. If you think they only started working on 2.0 after 1.5 was released, you would be wrong.
- odysseus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The memory leaks aren't that bad for me. Most everyone has plenty of RAM nowadays. What kills me is the CPU usage. Had to switch my 512MB RAM P2 at work to Opera because the poor old thing just couldn't handle Firefox. You'd get freezes switching between tabs, loading long digg pages, etc. Was embarrassed opening Fx to demo a site in front of my cow-orkers and having to wait 15 seconds with for the thing to open.
Still using Firefox at home (P3 933MHz) where it only takes 9 seconds to open. Looking forward to spell-as-you-type & built-in-session-saver. Hopefully better CPU perf too? - micklerlop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3the reason its much faster because the memory leak is a feature. page caching. however i think it caches too much. mine goes up to 170 consistently.
- Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Shouldn't the release schedule happen based on what has actually been accomplished and not some arbitrary schedule decided months ago?
In any case, why are people digging this? Just wait three days and then submit a story about the actual release. Is there really any point in having this story when it is only going to be repeated at the end of the week? - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Let's be fair here -- IE 7 isn't even out yet, while 1.5 is final since months ago.
- Pulse_Instance, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4If you were to read the link there is a large number of changes. You need to read it yourself and decide if there are any changes that you think are significant.
This is the same procedure I would recommend anyone who is looking to upgrade any software that they are running. - Loyaleagle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6imitation is the purest form of compliment!
- ShaolinTiger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Awesome, I hope more memory leaks are fixed..
http://www.shaolintiger.com/2006/02/03/my-experience-with-firefox-15-memory-leak-problems/
1.5 seems quite unstable aswell, but much faster. - Misos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I marked this as "inaccurate." =)
- teamgreen02, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22.0 should be good. 1.5 was the worst release of Firefox I have used. 1.5.0.1 fixed many bugs that made it unstable. I was actually using the IE beta before 1.5.0.1 came out. 1.5.0.1 has yet to crash on me from a memory leak, although it still needs to be restarted every once in awhile.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah, yeah, at least firefox's immitations of opera features actually work. I'm not going to say that opera sucks or anything, but whatever new gee-whiz features that opera innovates seem to leave a lot to be desired the way they implemented it.
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