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- frieddonuts, on 01/28/2009, -2/+69Great that Firefox and Opera are building native Ogg support into their future products. Aside from feeling good because you're supporting open source, Ogg is also a superior format, with better audio compression at the same bitrates of MP3. I've never been as big of a fan of Theora though.
- slyzxx, on 01/28/2009, -7/+57That is amazing no wonder why people love Mozilla how many companys do you actually know that do stuff like this? We need to help open source as much as possible i will do my part.
- airencracken, on 01/28/2009, -1/+49Remember Ogg is just the container. You're talking about Ogg Vorbis.
- mrwallace69, on 01/28/2009, -1/+37Open standards are the future.
Thank you Mozilla for supporting this cause. Also thanks to all those others who has joined the quest for open standards. - adderx99, on 01/28/2009, -1/+32personally i rip everything flac or ogg, and for images i use png. open source formats are far superior to the closed formats, we need better support all around. theres no reason for hardware and software developers to not include the formats, unless of course they are trying to keep it closed. thumbs up to mozilla for natively supporting the format.
- inactive, on 01/28/2009, -7/+35Flash is like ***** covered in piss covered in ass and its the only thing people use. Seriously wtf?
- TrekkieDude, on 01/28/2009, -2/+27My hope is that this might prompt more manufactures of phones, music players, HELLO APPLE!! to include ogg vorbis natively! My entire music collection is in ogg vorbis, which sadly limits what music players I can play them on, which shouldn't be the case.
- adderx99, on 01/28/2009, -1/+22mp3 is not free....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3
- choopie911, on 01/28/2009, -2/+21They're actually racing each other to Australia and back, in seperate jets.
- MAGZine, on 01/28/2009, -7/+24You totally submitted your comment early to get first slot, and then edited it to make it better.
I was watching. <8-)> - theblacknight, on 01/28/2009, -0/+11My main problem with Silverlight is that it doesn't run on any Linux or PPC Mac; if they aren't even trying when they are presumably trying to get all the marketshare they can away from Adobe, what's the chance of them supporting anything but Windows 7 once they have a decent marketshare?
- srg13, on 01/28/2009, -2/+15Somebody has no idea what they're talking about...
- codyman, on 01/28/2009, -0/+12With decreasing costs / ever expanding capacities of hard drives and flash memory, all alongside faster and faster bandwidth, lossless open formats like FLAC should be put more so into the spotlight as they are truly superior in terms of archival vs lossy formats
- skywake, on 01/28/2009, -0/+11open source formats are patented?
are you from the future? :o - Theycallmetak, on 01/28/2009, -1/+11Rockbox
- jontyknox, on 01/28/2009, -2/+12You've just worked out why they're funding it... Well done.
- adderx99, on 01/28/2009, -4/+13sadly, i agree. flash needs to just go away.
- tourettes1992, on 01/28/2009, -1/+10Can Mozilla do any wrong?
- Sabretou, on 01/28/2009, -0/+9AND delivering the best design tools in the market, fancy that.
- cezx, on 01/28/2009, -1/+9and flac too
- pHr34kY, on 01/28/2009, -0/+8Vorbis is such a good format that I can't believe it isn't just "the norm". It has been wiping the floor with other codecs for a good decade now. It takes a pretty trained ear to differentiate 96kbps Vorbis from a Compact Disc.
Theora, on the other hand, needs a LOT of work. It's based on VC3 which has compression equal to most mpeg4 codecs, and the performance is dismal (it's not even multi-threaded yet!). If you saw the newer (proprietary) VC7 codec in action, you'll see how much Theora has to catch up. To be honest, I don't think $100K will fix it (or buy a better one), but it's a start.
As for the Ogg container itself - more apps need to support it at a write level. I haven't even found a muxer that works with it. - TheWindBlows, on 01/28/2009, -2/+9Actually its to be used as the web video standard.
- choopie911, on 01/28/2009, -0/+6It's a long flight, you've got to do something while you're there. Why not develop?
- Nephersir7, on 01/28/2009, -0/+6"how many companys do you actually know that do stuff like this?"
Sandisk and Cowon both integrated those formats in their DAP's in response to the audiophile community's demand.. Samsung did it too, but to a lesser extent.
But its always great to see companies integrate less known, but free formats in their products. - joshuaer, on 01/28/2009, -2/+8Target corp gives 5% of it's profit to local not for profit groups in each town they are in.
Google does the summer of code as well as other thing.
Even Evil wal-mart gives back.
honestly most companies do.
100k is nice and will help but this is not the first time a company has given money and then used it as a tax write off. - Barackalypse, on 01/28/2009, -1/+7Mozilla should have picked the Matroska container, unlike Ogg its actually widely used (nearly all the HD video releases in the newsgroups and torrent trackers use the Matroska container). For video encoding x.264 is a very capable GNU General Public Licensed encoder.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+6No no, he's talking about the ipdo, it's completely different!
- codereview, on 01/28/2009, -3/+9As long as the alternative isn't $ilverlight, I agree
- TehJoe, on 01/28/2009, -0/+5Screw MP3 players I want an OGG Player!
- jannefoo, on 01/28/2009, -0/+5Just use FLAC.
- inactive, on 01/28/2009, -1/+6Buried because I'm tired of the word "*****" being used like that.
- RaulMuadDib, on 01/28/2009, -0/+5Why would anyone want Britney Spears anything?
- inactive, on 01/28/2009, -1/+6Its 43 degrees here! I doubt they will want to leave the jets at all.
- zeabu, on 01/28/2009, -1/+6If it's thanks to silverlight the market can be broken up, thank you Microsoft. Really I'm not against them, I'm against monopolies.
- inactive, on 01/28/2009, -0/+4Or if they offered better support at least. No media player should ever have just ONE format.
- gage006, on 01/28/2009, -0/+4Winamp != iPod
Hell, they're not even in the same category. Software vs hardware. - inactive, on 01/28/2009, -0/+4mp3 is proprietary. ogg is and open standard. just because you download a bunch of mp3s from limewire doesn't mean it's a free format. FREE as in freedom.
- coolwalking, on 01/28/2009, -1/+5Lame, dude. Lame.
- retawd, on 01/28/2009, -0/+4As Nero fan (i appreciate the Nero team's contributions to HA and my ability to contact them with problems) I am happy with what they produce (better than LAME IMO), but Mozilla furthering ogg development is the best thing I've heard since AoTuV.
- RoboDonut, on 01/28/2009, -0/+3First of all, OGG isn't an audio codec. It's a container format.
Xiph.Org (the people who maintain OGG) also maintain Vorbis (a lossy audio codec), FLAC (a lossless audio codec), and Theora (a video codec). It's probable that the article actually means "Xiph" when they say "Ogg". If this is the case, then the money is going to fund many open media standards.
As for your question, we "need another audio compression method" because MP3, WMA, and AAC are not open or free. They cannot be used legally without a license. This is detrimental to interoperability and causes difficulty for software developers. - melat0nin, on 01/28/2009, -0/+3And since when do technical terms help uptake by the masses?
- johnsu01, on 01/28/2009, -0/+3Ogg Theora is video, and free like Ogg Vorbis is for audio.
- inactive, on 01/28/2009, -0/+3Nero? OMG MAN!
- Swivelstick, on 01/28/2009, -0/+3Another?
- Swivelstick, on 01/28/2009, -0/+3PSST silverlight
- MrViklund, on 01/28/2009, -1/+4Well that's the problem. If Windows Media Player made Ogg it's default and only format, it would probably be pretty known in no time. Right? You see where the problem is here.
- jannefoo, on 01/28/2009, -1/+4Dude, you're mixing containers and codecs there.
- ThirdPrize, on 01/28/2009, -2/+5So, FF will be able to play OGG sond and video without any extra codecs. Expect to see lots of sites using unnecessary background music and videos then.
- MrViklund, on 01/28/2009, -0/+3Very important.
Also see: http://shaver.off.net/diary/2009/01/26/advancing-o ... -
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