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- cpsutcliffe, on 09/26/2008, -3/+24Google really has shaken things up with Android and Chrome.
- goflyers, on 09/25/2008, -0/+12Mobile Browser seem to be quite tricky, I've tried Opera Mini, Opera Mobile 9.5 beta, Skyfire, PIE and some lesser known ones on WM6 and they all seem to have quirks. Skyfire and Opera Mini try to do most of the processing on their servers which makes the UI sort of clunky. Opera Mobile and PIE are native but Opera Mobile is a Memory Hog and PIE just lacks features.
- inactive, on 09/26/2008, -7/+18You gotta kinda of hand it to Apple. They have been on the market with their Safari browser for almost about the same amount of time as Mozilla and yet they already have an amazing mobile web browser available for their iPhone devices.
Really? We have to wait til almost 2010 for Mozilla to come out with something? Why is it taking so long? - xptoast, on 09/26/2008, -0/+9Words...they escape you.
- inactive, on 09/25/2008, -6/+13How about enterprise support instead?
- hardeep1singh, on 09/26/2008, -0/+7Ever tried Nokia's 3rd edition browser?
It came before Safari, runs on webkit and blows Safari out of the water. It also supports Flash and Javascript which Safari doesn't. - MacBookForMe, on 09/25/2008, -1/+7....promises, ...promises, ...promises...and we are still hungry...uppsss...thirsty:)
- Harrison88, on 09/26/2008, -1/+6It has begun.
- kevyn, on 09/26/2008, -1/+6I fear firefox memory usage on my N95, that said come 2010 i'll probably be hooked into the matrix anyway
- Lorddias, on 09/26/2008, -1/+6As long as I can get Adblock Plus on it..
- xptoast, on 09/26/2008, -1/+6Yes
- hardeep1singh, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4Get your facts right. Mobile means one that runs on a mobile.
I bet Iphone's not getting the firefox browser, it'll be rejected as it competes with Safari. - nickert0n, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4They have shaken up nothing but a preview, wait until they are strong.
- jonshipman, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4I was about to say that 2010 is far away, then I looked at my calendar and gosh! it's less than 2 years away!
- CalcProgrammer1, on 09/26/2008, -1/+5Yes.
- Utopian, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/mozilla-com ...
- Nouman6, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3I look forward to this.
Though I'm not buying this story if they said after 2012. - hardeep1singh, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3beta? its a beta of their version 9.5, Opera has been available on mobile phones for years now. I used it first on my Nokia 6600 years ago.
- briLo, on 09/26/2008, -2/+5Thank you mozilla......the sooner the better!!!!
- crownedgriffin, on 09/26/2008, -1/+4And in the mean time, Opera works just fine on my ***** four year old phone that came free with the plan.
- benologist, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3Mozilla is a corporation and a very well funded one. They might only have a fraction of the manpower Apple has but they only do a handful of apps and they can afford more staff.
- badtz, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2Hopefully it's even close to Mobile Safari, which is absolutely AMAZING for a mobile browser/rendering engine.
- javaroast, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2It's different priorities. Apple developed Safari knowing they needed a mobile solution for their at the time upcoming iPhone. Mozilla on the other hand was having amazing growth on the desktop browser and had focused on getting 3.0 out the door.
Where you have to hand it to Apple is the length of time their mobile version of Safari has been out and there competitors are still for the most part playing catch up. You'd think with the amount of time that has passed that someone would have stepped to the plate. - smartsalman, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2skyfire is pretty damn good on WM6!
- kraetos, on 09/26/2008, -0/+22010? And we already have Mobile Safari, Mobile Opera, and Mobile IE. You guys are really breakin' some new ground over there.
I bet we see Mobile Chrome before we see Mobile Firefox. - ToastPop, on 04/17/2009, -5/+7And then there is Safari on the iPhone which blows all those browsers out of the water! :)
- CalcProgrammer1, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2PIE's Flash is Flash 7 and it is insanely slow even on my 624MHz X50v. YouTube is unplayable, even simple flash animations crash the system. JavaScript...is really lacking in PIE, I mean...it's just BAD. PIE is also ultra slow and crashes more than it works. That's why I use Minimo, it has JS (no Flash, but eh, JS is more important). Minimo also renders everything as desktop layout, accesses the "real" Facebook, Gmail, iGoogle, etc.
- zynaps, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2If Mozilla would switch Firefox over to webkit it would no longer be Firefox. Firefox is a big XUL application and XUL pretty much needs Gecko. Almost 100% of the Firefox user interface is made with XML and Javascript. Switching to Webkit would require them to rewrite the whole interface. Of course you could always implement a WebKitTab extension.
- CalcProgrammer1, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2Minimo 0.2 is Gecko based, runs great (minus the bugs that make it crash occasionally), and supports tons of pages.
- inactive, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2i would run firefox on my toaster if i could.
- SniperZero, on 09/26/2008, -1/+3The year we get Mobile firefox is the year we run outta IP's >_
- hardeep1singh, on 09/26/2008, -1/+3Yes
- CalcProgrammer1, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2iPhone and iPod don't need a pocket Firefox. The Safari browser on them already has all the features that Microsoft left out (or lazily skipped) of Pocket IE (not saying PIE was ever a good idea...). Also, for Linux based phones, there aren't any browsers at all, so they too will need a FF Mobile. In the end, FF Mobile will probably be quite similar to Safari Mobile in terms of page rendering, script support, etc.
- comrade693, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1Why do they have to respond?
- ryanize, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1I think everyone is skipping the article....if you read what Mitchell Baker says, she states that by 2010 when Firefox looks back it should 'obvious that we've done this'....which to me sounds like we'll get a mobile version of Firefox in 2009.
- Lynxist, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1I like thre sound of a Mozilla Browser for mobile, but, 2010, it's soooo far away. Hurry up guys!
- werries, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1yeah because they're totally dominating the software market.
/sarcasm
The browser isn't widely used, picasa isn't widely used, the first Android phone isn't that great, and no one has heard of anything else.
They have a search engine, and thats it. - johnnysaucepn, on 09/26/2008, -1/+2Especially when they can persuade people to do work for them for free.
- Fragnarg, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1It just seems like they are controlling a monopoly, which I don't like.
- CalcProgrammer1, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1I can't wait for FF Mobile, my PDA has a great CPU but Pocket IE is a waste of programming code and can't render decent looking pages for anything. I have Minimo 0.2 right now (miles and miles ahead of PIE) and, although it has some bugs, is pretty good. FF Mobile will be even better (IF they make an adapting window system that will let it run at the native resolution of all devices, I don't want it doubling pixels in images or messing with page layout just because *some* devices have screens not worth browsing on). I hope it supports VGA screens. I'd also like to Flash and Java, but these probably won't happen.
- kraetos, on 09/26/2008, -1/+2Mobile Safari supports Javascript. Very well, in fact.
Mobile Flash is overrated. I don't want ads, I can't play games without a keyboard and mouse. Granted, lack of video stings but there's always YouTube.
But lets be honest, Mobile Safari shines because of the super-high-res screen it runs on and the multi-touch interface it utilizes.
Watch me get dugg down now, simply for stating facts. - Atomic1fire, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1Webkit (the safari rendering engine) is open source as its based off khtml
Mozilla is a corporation as well, but they do a lot of sideprojects as well, since thunderbird, sunbird, and several other projects exist in mozilla - therealknewman, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1"she saw have an effective product in the mobile webspace."
i saw has some cake. she. - hardeep1singh, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1Dislike Google? Just because they're going to relive the past and do to the iphone exactly what PC did to a Mac??
- digital81, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
Not exactly Mobile Firefox, but the closest thing to it at the moment. - inactive, on 09/26/2008, -3/+42010 ? by that time even better browsers will be in the mobile market.
- hardeep1singh, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1What phone you got? You can try any one out of Opera Mobile, UCweb, Skyfire, teashark etc too.
- werries, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1Truth in this statement. Gecko and firefox were meant to be fully-featured and extensible, not lightweight.
Although, I support Webkit.
This is like uTorrent vs Azureus, in a way. - zynaps, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1Firefox is written in C/C++. Most mobile platforms require applications to be written in a different language. Porting Firefox over to Java (as required by most platforms, including Android) is a HUGE task. It's probably easier to start from scratch, taking only the design ideas from Firefox but implementing the entire rendering engine from scratch, then slapping the "Firefox Mobile" name on it.
OpenMoko would be easiest system to port Firefox to. - CalcProgrammer1, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1Minimo 0.2 is WAY BETTER than PIE. Opera Mini uses a lame server-based rendering system (not a true browser IMO, a true browser actually renders web pages, not tells a server to stream a pre-rendered page in, it's almost as bad as DRM, if the server goes down the "browser" fails). As for Opera Mobile (a real "browser") it A) costs money and B) didn't support 640x480 last time I tried the demo.
As for any Minimo before 0.2, it isn't worth using. Old versions are just slow and crash all the time and have an awful interface. 0.2 is a real improvement. -
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