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- wingo123, on 12/03/2007, -5/+31Secondary browser? What, in case your first one suddenly explodes and you need to do emergency web surfing?
- baalzebub, on 12/03/2007, -3/+19i bet the numbers are higher, i have three machines all running Linux i downloaded one copy of Firefox to install in all three machines that are used daily by several people and sometimes more when house family & friends visit...
- Remmy, on 12/03/2007, -1/+16I criticize IE because it fails at rendering a web page correctly and uses propreitary format plugins (ala ActiveX) to try and control market share by forcing its use.
- Remmy, on 12/03/2007, -0/+15They also make a crapload of money from that google search bar in your default layout.
- worthone, on 12/03/2007, -0/+11"Mozilla Corporation is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, a non-profit foundation, and is not a publicly traded company"
Source: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/about/partnerships.ht ... - zoziw, on 12/03/2007, -4/+14I would guess that there are at least 125 million users, as the article mentions, that works out to fewer users than a lot of third party studies indicate.
- Jammerdelray, on 12/03/2007, -1/+9"this is great to hear but how does mozilla generate revenue from this? do they have a sustainable business model? is free software something that can continue indefinitely?"
Mozilla is making millions from the built in google search bar. - prab, on 12/03/2007, -2/+10Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Update
Looks to me like I can customize how it updates.
For even more control about:config - richbradshaw, on 12/03/2007, -3/+10Have you actually used opera? It's not quite as good as people tend to claim!
Guess I'm just used to the particular extensions I use.
Oh, and it looks ugly! - munkyxtc, on 12/03/2007, -2/+9Lilly also points out that most of the browser market share statistics available from third parties are based mainly on measuring page views rather than users, which he thinks could potentially overstate the extent of Firefox market share. "[M]ost of these measures are in page views, not users," says Lilly in reference to oft-cited third-party browser statistics. "As hard as it is to get an accurate read on worldwide traffic numbers for Firefox, it's even harder to figure out the relationship between page views and users. We have some intuitions here, supported by anecdotal evidence, that Firefox users look at more pages and do more searches than typical users, but nothing that I'd actually call science."
Lilly arrives at the 125 million user estimate by leveraging the statistical data collected by the Firefox application update service. The Firefox web browser sends an anonymous request to the update servers every single day to check for new versions. Counting the total number of pings makes it possible for Mozilla to guess roughly how many instances of Firefox are running on any given day, a metric that Mozilla refers to as Active Daily Users (ADU). This number has climbed from 23 million in October 2006 to 48 million at the high point in November,
so, basically its a guess *Spins wheel of random numbers* - CeeJayDK, on 12/03/2007, -0/+54 words. Speed Dial for Firefox :
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/481 ... - zachriggle, on 12/03/2007, -0/+5They already get metrics from the browsers checking for updates.
- Syraxis, on 12/03/2007, -2/+7If only Firefox on Mac OS X was a bit more stable...
- acidandspatter, on 12/03/2007, -0/+5Doesn't that little default Google search box in the top right hand corner, and a Google landing page (google.com/firefox) make Mozilla a little money?
- Evildudetx, on 12/03/2007, -1/+6Does it really matter who uses what browser? Use whatever makes you happy.
- Remmy, on 12/03/2007, -1/+6Yeah. Let's bloat Firefox so it feels more like Opera or IE. No thanks.
- petebot, on 12/03/2007, -2/+7Wow. Seriously? Internet browser fanboyism? Really?
PS I use Firefox../ - andycr512, on 12/03/2007, -0/+5Speed Dial - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/481 ...
- arjung, on 12/03/2007, -2/+7do you open it daily? i think you know the answer to your question.
- swab, on 12/03/2007, -0/+4Only about $60 million last year: http://www.searchenginejournal.com/firefox-earned- ...
- sgtpppr, on 12/04/2007, -0/+4But the only reason people here would ok an obvious privacy invasion (forced collection of user statistics) is to use the data to attack IE. I don't see why it matters how many people use each browser. That's simply obsessing over a corporate marketing statistic. Easy way to find out who is using IE is to ask one of the big antivirus companies how many people are affected with the newest virus.
- bumcheekcity, on 12/03/2007, -2/+6The... best... of IE. That would be what? "Doesnt yet cause Cancer?"
- IllBeBack, on 12/03/2007, -1/+5I think the numbers went up just recently with the Digg bug of not being able to post comments in any browser EXCEPT Firefox. That's when I started using it. Seems to work pretty well so I stayed with it. Me = converted.
- Barbarino, on 12/03/2007, -0/+4One ping only, Vasily
- digudown, on 12/03/2007, -0/+4Read the article please.
- Remmy, on 12/03/2007, -2/+6And it's closed source, requires you to buy premium support, and it's user's mother's dress them funny. Okay. That last one may have been exaggerated, but I doubt it.
- voyvf, on 12/03/2007, -1/+5I've used Opera. I still prefer Firefox. Especially since the memory issue is just about fixed in 3.0. :D
- renegadeafk, on 12/03/2007, -0/+4switch to the windows native skin and it looks fine (On windows, imo better than firefox looks) On linux there's no helping it's ugliness.
- voyvf, on 12/03/2007, -1/+5I don't know about indefinitely, but seeing as it's been around since '98... Heck, for that matter, take a look at the lifetimes of FreeBSD and Linux.
Free Software can stay around for a long time. :D - alexra, on 12/04/2007, -0/+4i stopped using IE 2 years ago, never went back
- Bamborzled, on 12/04/2007, -0/+3Oh, so you can't implement a feature from your competitor anymore, huh? By the way, at the time, Opera was shareware, Netscape was stubborn and closed (Mozilla did not even exist), and Microsoft was lightyears ahead in terms of technology (I know, weird, huh?)
- Darcy, on 12/03/2007, -0/+3It's not a guess, it's a rough estimate.
- pcpimpster, on 12/03/2007, -0/+3I use IE, Firefox, and even pop open Safari sometimes. So what? They all ***** load web pages, some better then others depending on what page I'm trying to use. So far, Safari ***** itself the most, buts its early on windows; so I understand.
- fkr3, on 12/03/2007, -0/+3They don't need to 'ping', counting who's fetching updates should be enough. Of course there is two problems there - people who run multiple copies, and people who don't update - but they apply to each browser soemwhat indiscriminately I should think.... if you don't want to update software you pretty much have to make a conscious decision not to these days.
- Soofi, on 12/03/2007, -0/+3There is a safe-mode option when starting Firefox from the start > programs folder. It will disable the extensions and other extras to help you narrow down if the problem is due to an add-on that you installed. If everything works fine when browsing in Firefox safe mode, then you will have to start Firefox normally, turn off all extensions, and then start turning them on again one-by-one until you find the one that is causing it to break.
- voyvf, on 12/03/2007, -1/+4See, the Mozilla browser used to be comprised of such bloatware. The Firefox development team has left such features as extensions so that users have a choice whether or not they want to install it. If they were to include every little feature that everyone wants, we'd be downloading 1.2 gigabyte torrents just to get a fricken browser.
- andycr512, on 12/03/2007, -2/+5I tried Opera. I don't need mail in my browser, and the ad blocker was terrible compared to AdBlock+. I switched back quite quickly. The text-to-speech is nice - however, that's about the only thing I like about it better than Firefox.
- digudown, on 12/03/2007, -3/+6Opera looks ugly, actually very ugly.
- baalzebub, on 12/03/2007, -3/+6Opera? does Opera Winfrey have a web browser?
- GeekyGerge, on 12/04/2007, -0/+23 Words. Star Bookmarks FF3
- mmmiiikkkeee, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2IE makes me sad... It does not follow internet standards!!!
- CannedCorn, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2I am sick of you opera people... if it was so good then people would use it.
- BenJammin22, on 12/03/2007, -0/+2Microsoft will finall take over the world and invade Denmark!
- ell0bo, on 12/03/2007, -1/+3Perhaps, but I'm honestly still skeptical of this number. When I used to process stats for my old company, a web ad agency, FF used to come off as like 2% of our hits. Granted, most people that use FF are smart enough not to click on those ads, and 12-15% is the general accepted number of people using FF compared to everyone else, but does this mean that there are 1billion people (fuzzy math) surfing the internet regularly? 1/6 of the world population? I dunno, I suppose it's possible with the rise of linux and such, but this number just seems a bit high for me.
- gudnbluts, on 12/03/2007, -1/+3When I switched to Linux, I used it for a couple of months, then went back to Opera (personal preference, FF's a good browser). I bet I'm still counted as a user as the system still downloads the updates, and removing FF seems to be a bit of a no-no in Ubuntu.
- suprfli, on 12/03/2007, -5/+7this is great to hear but how does mozilla generate revenue from this? do they have a sustainable business model? is free software something that can continue indefinitely?
- bradbelan, on 12/03/2007, -0/+2yeah, but what market share does FF have as a percentage of overall internet usage compared to IE, Safari, etc. imho - this is a more meaningful stat re: FF's continued growth than a total user number that is hard to put in context.
- nypix, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2I put 3.0 beta on, it's fast.......
Can't wait until it's done. Thanks for the suggestions. - xike, on 12/04/2007, -0/+2I'm at least 4 of those people.
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