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- Hortnon, on 03/22/2008, -23/+434Wait, is this kind of thing news to people? Apple has been pulling this kind of crap for years. For a while, you had to install iTunes if you were installing QuickTime, for example.
- nachochease, on 03/22/2008, -15/+305It's time people woke up and realized that Apple is far from the perfect company that the fanboys would have you believe it is. Their number one goal is too make as much money as possible, just like Microsoft and everyone else.
- Hellman109, on 03/22/2008, -22/+285Umm you guys never realised when getting a hard on over steve jobs that he creates monopolies faster then MS these days?
Apple is the master of 'walled gardens'. - DiggLive, on 03/22/2008, -26/+164With the Windows Live Installer, you can uncheck items for Messenger/Mail/etc and it would never offer to install a new application like Photo Gallery or Toolbar when updating.
http://get.live.com/WL/config_all
I'm glad there's a lot of opposition to Apple's behavior on the web. For others, get out of the Reality Distortion Field. - inactive, on 03/22/2008, -10/+134Everyone should read this thread
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=45803 ...
Apple apologists scrambling to find excuses for Apple's action is so hilarious. - piratearggghhh, on 03/22/2008, -6/+119Imagine Apple the size of Microsoft: You can only buy their brand computers, you can only use their operating system, their browser Safari is preinstalled, their music player itunes is preinstalled that is the only software that runs ipods and iphones. This is the computing world Apple is trying to create with their ecosystem and yet everyone thinks they're so cool compared to evil Microsoft. Now they're leveraging the itunes/ipod platform for other things. Go figure.
- inactive, on 03/22/2008, -11/+116agreed, at least make it clear to people what they are installing.
TBH, quicktime has always held a place in my heart, right next to realplayer... - inactive, on 03/22/2008, -10/+71Damn right it was wrong.
- kalidav, on 03/22/2008, -5/+65There's nothing wrong with Apple offering Safari 3.1 with their software update program, ___if an earlier version of Safari is already installed___. It's the same as Thunderbird or Songbird popping up in the Firefox Updater - it shouldn't happen. The mechanism is for updates to software currently installed, not to push completely different products.
- vdog, on 03/22/2008, -2/+62To all those who state that people should be smarter and just untick it don't realise how illiterate the average computer user is- they just think that the default install is the best option, and that's if they think about it at all. Apple is using people's ignorance to push a product that they don't want. Really, it's another form of Spam.
- godzillaWax, on 03/22/2008, -6/+61Apple being douchebags?!? The shock!
- IceDog, on 03/22/2008, -11/+65True but that was part of the install, not installing when you where only UPDATING your iTunes (for example). I think this would be considered low even for MS..not sure they've never done it.
- elithrar, on 03/22/2008, -5/+57I use OS X heavily, have an iPod Touch and will be buying a 3G iPhone. I use WebKit/Safari. But that's by /choice/. Forcing users to download software they likely don't know anything about is not the way to increase market share. And Safari on Windows does have some catching up to do (as do most Windows ports of Apple software).
- bjornski, on 03/22/2008, -7/+57I love how they all list their system specs as their taglines.
Talk about being defined by the products you own. - MAGZine, on 04/22/2008, -0/+47If Safari "auto-updates" itself, I'll "auto-update" it right off of my computer. Problem solved.
- xmodem2, on 03/22/2008, -2/+47I don't think its wrong for Apple to leverage its existing Quicktime and iTunes install base to advertise Safari to users, however in this case they have gone about it the wrong way. A better idea would have been to pop up a dialog saying "Are you interested in this new software?", describing what Safari is and making clear that its not an update but in fact new software, and providing a clear choice of "Learn more", "Remind me later" or "Not interested, go away please"
- Oldsmobile, on 03/22/2008, -7/+52Well, I for one un-installed Quicktime because of this.
- geoken, on 03/22/2008, -2/+42What's wrong with that?
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House: 4,300 sq/ft - jakem1, on 03/22/2008, -5/+45Why install it in the first place? Quicktime is the single worst piece of software ever written for Windows.
- mrmorris, on 03/22/2008, -3/+40I'm becoming more and more convinced, that Apple is probably worse than Microsoft at these lock-and-chain games. I've uninstalled all Apple/iTunes related software due to this violation of my trust and wrote Apple about it. I suggest you do the same, they might actually start to care about it if enough complains: http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html
- Ahweb, on 03/22/2008, -25/+62Oh no, the apple I know would never do that.. *irony*
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 03/22/2008, -2/+38> "For a while, you had to install iTunes if you were installing QuickTime, for example."
Others have clarified what was actually going on, but I do remember that. The Apple Software Update utility is also *extremely* poor practice. If you install it when you install QuickTime, every time there's a QuickTime update, it *always* tries to get you to install iTunes (The "QuickTime + iTunes" option is always checked by default; even if you uncheck it, it checked on the next update).
Apple really doesn't get as much flak as they deserve. It's a shame. - kalidav, on 03/22/2008, -1/+34Add/remove Programs.
- inactive, on 03/22/2008, -37/+68Mac users are not used to choose on their own what software is installed.
You know when we are laughing about Windows users calling Internet Explorer "the internet", well Mac users are even more clueless. - mindspaceindia, on 03/22/2008, -3/+32I think the more obvious search for a layman qould be 'Quicktime' and not 'Quicktime standalone'.
and THAT'S why it's 'bad business' - bjornski, on 03/22/2008, -0/+27Again, I'm a Windows user, but I had to digg that down for stupidity.
Less competition is never the answer. - geoken, on 03/22/2008, -2/+29LOL. I don't actually have that stuff. Guess I should have included some sarcasm tags.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 03/22/2008, -2/+29> "Their number one goal is too make as much money as possible, just like Microsoft and everyone else."
There's really nothing wrong with that. They are a corporation afterall. It's how the company goes about it that's the real problem, and I agree with you that Apple's tactics are getting worse and worse... - mrsteveman1, on 03/22/2008, -1/+27That's different, IE7 replaces IE6, which is horribly insecure and worthless. That makes it high priority.
Safari on Windows replaces nothing, as nothing was ever installed. - bxblox, on 03/22/2008, -2/+27Installer != Updater
- LimeParrot, on 03/22/2008, -4/+29How do you turn off the Apple AutoUpdate?? It keeps popping up in the middle of games and is very annoying =(
- Rotzooi, on 03/22/2008, -3/+28Love how you're being dugg down by Apple fanboys.
- lamiaconfitor, on 03/22/2008, -9/+33I HATE itunes and quicktime for this same reason, I dont need to be nagged about software updates all the fn time. never use either. forget yuppie morons who think apple is the god of all tech.
- thailand1972, on 03/22/2008, -2/+24I uninstalled mine years ago because it's *****
- LemmingJesus, on 03/22/2008, -3/+23People do that with any computer they own, but that forum certainly has more of it going on than normal.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 03/22/2008, -1/+21> "The difference here is that Apple products work."
Have you ever tried [un]setting file and mimetype associations in QuickTime on Windows? The installer offers you the option to change them, but the next time you fire up QuickTime, all the associations are back to their defaults. It's been that way for years. - doshindude, on 03/22/2008, -2/+22VLC FTW
- Azio, on 03/22/2008, -3/+22My Macbook Pro was giving me ***** after only three months, I had to take it in and get the screen replaced -- and they used a part from an older model MBP without LED backlighting, so the battery life is now shorter and the viewing angle is not as good, AND they did a ***** job of putting it back together so the case is warped and doesn't sit flush when I close it. That's not what I would call a product that works. And don't get me started on iTunes and Quicktime for Windows. Apple products work, except for when they don't.
- jemka, on 03/22/2008, -0/+19The point that's being made is similar to many people who want updates for one piece of software, i.e quicktime, which get packaged with another software, i.e. iTues. Personally, I don't use iTunes, nor do I even have it installed, but Apple feels that if I need quicktime updates, I also need iTunes. "Quicktime Updates + iTunes"
That's like when cops pull you over and ask you, were you driving the speed limit and do you have any drugs in your car? No? No you weren't driving the speed limit. Umm Yes... Oh yes you do have drugs?
That's what we call a loaded question, and I call this a loaded download. I'm an apple fan. Great work guys, and I"m sorry your efforts in excellent programming and engineering haven't yielded more recognition and use, but please don't start to use these so called rootkit and malware tactics. If I want your software, I'll download it, thanks. - Cl1mh4224rd, on 03/22/2008, -0/+18> "The Apple you're talking about, with it's pre-installed media players and pre-installed web browsers...that sounds like Microsoft!"
Uhh... yes, that's the point he was trying to make. - banmaster, on 03/22/2008, -0/+18'update' my ass! There is NOTHING updaty about installing their ***** browser on a machine sthat doesn't allready have a version of it already installed.
- xmodem2, on 03/22/2008, -19/+37I don't think its ever been true that you HAD to install itunes to get quicktime. I know for a long time apple distributed the standalone quicktime installer from a separate page that was well hidden and was linked from somewhere. Easiest way to get to it was to google "Quicktime standalone"
- freibooter, on 03/22/2008, -0/+18Yes, you can ... but the updater will check them AGAIN every single time. Fore me this has been an issue the other way around for a long time. I did want Safari on my Windows machine in order to test websites on it and I chose to use the updater to keep it current, but the auto-updater kept offering me iTunes instead. You can uncheck it, but with every minor update to iTunes it will offer it again and again and again ... this is done on purpose and even if the iTunes crowd passes on Safari 3.1 ... it will be bothered again to install it every single time either QuickTime or iTunes or Safari is updated, the auto-updater will popup and offer you EVERYTHING checked by default!
- JoeBaynham, on 03/22/2008, -1/+18Personal choice FTW! o.0
- Azselendor, on 03/22/2008, -1/+18If microsoft pulled this crap, Bill Gates would be dragged before congress to hear charges of anti-competitive behavior.
If you look at the behavior of apple, in terms of how they run things, they are very much anti-competitive and they weren't a niche business, they'd be busted up. - vasireddy, on 03/22/2008, -2/+19lol, agree to the Real Player comparison.
Even iTunes is irritatingly slow on Windows. - kazamx, on 03/22/2008, -1/+18You should have seen it when Jobs charged for the Touch update, they thought it was a fantastic idea. If you thought the Linux/Mac/Ron Paul fan boys were bad on Digg, imagine when they are on their home turf. That is one scary site to read.
Steve Jobs could take a ***** on stage announce it as the ***** and 90% of them would break open the piggy bank. - bjornski, on 03/22/2008, -0/+17No, it will be installed "as default". You have to OPT OUT if you don't want it. People used to trust Apple. After ***** like this, a lot of that trust is gone. Now you have to investigate that installer every time Apple touts an "update".
Trading trust for market share. Good plan. - Avian00, on 03/22/2008, -1/+17"That's not enough. There needs to be complete opposition to Apple, period. The world would be better off if they went bankrupt."
Really? Not meaning to sound like a jerk, but I'm curious what your reasons are for such an opinion. -
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