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- Andy.D, on 10/12/2007, -12/+85Hey, but it is a chance to bash Microsoft, and we wouldn't want to skip a chance at that now would we?
- truspector, on 10/12/2007, -5/+69@freehunter
"t is a software glitch dealing with a time that no one thought of ahead of time."
Thought of ahead of time. So when MS was coding for XP they should have said, "you know what, I bet congress is going to pass a law in about five years changing dst start times from April 1st to March 11th and end times from October 28th to November 4th in the year 2007." Granted they could have made it easier to change the DST setting for multiple time zones, but there is no way they could have seen this coming. - freehunter, on 10/12/2007, -19/+79He didn't say it was 'just like Y2k'. He said it was 'reminiscent of Y2k'. It is a software glitch dealing with a time that no one thought of ahead of time. Yep, sounds similar to Y2k to me.
- teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+54Grow up, this isnt a problem created by Microsoft, it effects tons of software.
- hbweb500, on 10/12/2007, -10/+56And the OSX calculator can't do math...
- WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38http://www.microsoft.com/windows/timezone/dst2007.mspx for patches, hotfixes, manual updates, etc.
- teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33This isnt just a Microsoft problem. This is any software made before 2005 thats used for the purposes described above. If people are going to bash MS for this then they need to wake up and start bashing every developer because maybe 1/10 programs have patched this.
It was a stupid move by the Gov that made no sense so if you wanna blame someone blame them. - cybortrip, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33WTF are you talking about? try reading the article next time, douche.
- klawz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27same warning from Lotus Notes, so STFU
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22This is not an MS problem. MS has patches for older software. The warning is that some people may not apply the patches to their older software, and so their appointment times will be off.
- SirBotchness, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26I love how people are bashing microsoft for this problem, when the article clearly states it won't be the only software effected. You people are too quick to get on your high horse.
- Hitchhiker90, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Yes, programming ignorance on Microsoft's part because back in 2000 they didn't know that congress was going to change daylight savings time in 2007. You know it would really help for you to read the article first and see why they are advising not to trust the calendar software rather than just bashing Microsoft straight out.
- T3rry, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20It's not MS's fault, it's the American government's fault for trying to "Fix Something That Ain't Broke"
- Hitchhiker90, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15The only sense it will make is increasing candy sales for halloween. Longer day light hours means longer trick or treating. Aside from that I agree, what purpose was this supposed to prove?
- Norweed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15This isn't just a MS problem. I work for a large software company and we have to patch everything.
Oracle
Java
Perl
C libs
everything. The real problem here is the stupid ass lawmakers that didn't see this as being a big deal. It's a huge deal and for the last few months people have been quietly working their collective asses off to fix this stupid problem. - KanosWRX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Why would people say anything bad about microsoft in regards to this, they could not have known the government would do this. All software before 2005 would be affected by this. apple, unix, linux, everything. Personally they should just get rid of DST.
- rudy23, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14whoever thought of changing DST times is a big douche. It has caused enough headaches for our sysadmins with patches flying all over the place.
- threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13It's not just an MS issue. As far as I know, OS X prior to 10.4.5 will not be "new DST" aware either.
- CigarJack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I support servers throughout North America for my company and making sure this patch is on multiple OS's and all other Applications has been a pain for the past couple of months. I want to track down everyone who thought this was a good idea and beat the living crap out of them. Also I have a sinking feeling that someone will go and change DST back to the the old times in a few years and we'll be doing this all over again.
- Charron, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Man, I swear... do they have to make a DS game for *everything*?
- bobothn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@yarnage
it is 2038 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
@terc
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/dst_homeuser#howto
will auto update this month or download the patch manualy - Terc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8when was/will the patch released on Windows Update?
- qwickone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The purpose of changing it is so that there are more daylight hours during the normal hours that people are awake. That reduces your energy bills (since you don't need lights on as much). So before you go off complaining about how annoying this is (which, agreed, it's kind of annoying), just consider that people will actually derive individual benefit for this.
I beleive that DST was created for just that reason, to have more daylight hours during the times most people are awake, hence daylight SAVINGS. - bobothn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@mutatron
rtfa the reason they moved the time was to try to save energy. If it is less dark out side at night people will use less lights saving energy. it is kind of a silly thing to do but they had a good reason to do it. - xnacoder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6bobothn: "it is 2038 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem"
"Using a (signed) 64-bit value introduces a new wraparound date in about 290 billion years, on Sunday, December 4, 292,277,026,596. However, this problem is not widely regarded as a pressing issue."
y290b277m26k596 problem - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Down with Daylight Save Time!
Changing the DST dates was a moronic thing to do. It should have been removed entirely. I'm staying on standard time this year as a protest... - Yarnage, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14I would like to add that in 2056, the time library in the C language will no longer function correctly. I'm willing to bet in 2056 programmers will still be using it and this will cause another problem similar to Y2K.
When will developers learn to create scalable software? ugh - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6was the law really two years ago?
- themcman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8The Y2K7DS Bug!
- Norweed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Another digg moron that posts before reading gets dugg down.
- Speed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@truspector, he's saying Congress didn't think of the problems it would cause when they passed the bill. Somehow, when the bill was passed, nobody though "what about our VCRs?"
- bias, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8It's always MS's fault, please stop rationalizing these Fanboys FUD posts.
- Terc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Better check the software you ARE trusting, apparently they haven't told you that their calender software has the same issue.
- Terc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6FearlessFreep,
I'll just assume you've never written software. Typically, when doing another build of any software, things that work correctly (time calculation) are not rewritten just for the hell of it. It is completely possible that it wasn't an issue that was brought up during later builds. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4(2) Oh Really? Does it factor in the hundreds of emails floating around the office dealing with related patches?
If DST is so energy saving ***** important make the clock start at 0 on sunrise and hit 5 on sunset, and then count up to 10 until rolling over at sunrise. Then everyone can switch over to GMT and tell their idiot ***** government to eat *****. - Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I don't care about Microsoft, I'd like to hit the dunce(s) who keeps mucking around with daylight savings time. I hate daylight savings time. I would prefer being like Arizona and never having the time change at all.
- peevegrider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Dammit, and we support nothing but Win2K users....Im defintely calling in sick the day after..
- jonr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6There is a Dilbert joke in there somewhere...
- threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'm an Apple fan... however, this isn't FUD and it affects Macs as well.
- threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4MS didn't invent time.. that was Howard Stern, hoo hoo, right Robin?
Just kidding...
If you have a Mac, you better read up on the problem as well. :) It's not just MS's issue - bobothn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The real reason dst was started.
During the 70’s a media baron influenced the government to put daylight savings in place. He owned and ran a major television station and national newspaper. Research showed that while many people tuned into the news and bought the newspaper, this did not mean they watched or read it. Wanting to know the effectiveness of his businesses, the Baron devised a way to research this in the most unbiased way he could imagine. It needed to be something that affected everyone and that occurred rarely enough that the majority of people would forget or be confused when it would occur.
Reading a competitor's newspaper, he discovered a small article in the science section about a scientist from Luxemburg. This scientist suggested the idea of daylight savings for the exact reasons that the government spouted after it was initiated. Realising that such a phenomenon would require the media to remind the people when it would occur, the Baron decided to use his influence in the current political scene to get such a bill passed through.
So for many years after, the Baron had a cheap and efficient way to assess the audiences of his products. Very few within or outside of the government knew the truth about the establishment of daylight savings. Therefore, to this day we remain confused as to why we have it.
if you ever want a few hours of laughter take any search term in google and ad conspiracy to the end of it. - alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"when was/will the patch released on Windows Update?"
The patches for XP have been out for a while.
http://update.microsoft.com - Terc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'm not too clear as to why I would be dugg down, this seems to be an important issue to bring up.
Also, if this: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?amp;amp;amp;displaylang=en&familyid=%20E343A233-B9C8-4652-9DD8-AE0F1AF62568&displaylang=en is the tool used to fix the problem, any participants in meetings that do not get, or choose not to install the update will cause issues, particularly if the person that scheduled the meeting does not update.
Are there separate updates for several programs? Lotus Notes, for example. - bias, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Underbyte is a retard.
- curmudgeon7205, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Oh, the huge manatees!"
I suspect fewer than 1% of the readers on this site caught that play on Herbert Morrison's famous words. - Norweed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's not that a patch won't fix YOUR system. The problem is that EVERYONE must path all of their systems for there to be no issues.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3All computers in the ecosystem need to have the same DST rules, otherwise things go wonky. In the case of a calendar system like Outlook/Exchange, all computers, server, and all recipient computers need use the same rules, which is very hard to guarantee. I.e., if you receive an appointment from someone, you have no way of knowing if *their* computer is up to date; if it's not, things screw up.
- sockrebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yeah, I just noticed this on Ubuntu yesterday. I scheduled an appt for 3:30pm on March 13th in Evolution, and the GNOME calendar said it was at 4:30pm.
- rclay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why is this something that couldn't be fixed on a patch Tuesday? There were no shortages of patches yesterday.
- Norweed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4You obviously don't know anything about software. It's not just MS. It's every piece of software that uses a date...EVERY ONE.
And they do have a patch for it. They're just saying that it's possible that not everyone is going to patch. -
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