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- wallclimber, on 10/12/2007, -14/+37You know, people are going to say that Google already does the same thing with Gmail. I am not technically astute enough to understand and explain what the difference is. I only have my own instincts to go by. I've had gmail accounts for a couple of years now and the ads are never intrusive and sometimes are very helpful, and sometimes just plain funny.
With Microsoft I can imagine Bonzi Buddy type ads and all links would lead to MSN or someplace equally icky. I think it all has to do with trust. I don't trust Google unreasonably, I still do my best to look after my privacy (in that I know email is no place for really private messages), but I also don't UNreasonably distrust Google.
On the other hand, I wouldn't trust Microsoft for anything. Unreasonable? Maybe. But, I also have no real reason TO trust them either. Someone please tell me something, anything, that Microsoft has done to earn your trust.
Google, at least, has yet to do anything to make me feel that they have betrayed the (rather limited) trust I give them.
Personally, I would think more highly of Microsoft if they'd stop chasing Google and just make their own products better. On the other hand, at this point in time, I could hardly think less of them. - webguy2k, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25Who uses MSN Search?
- Schpariel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14... which use it to search for "www.google.com"
- joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18this is just a really really sad attempt at trying to excuse Google doing the same thing on an even bigger level, personal information being collected by anyone is bad, just cause Google also does it doesn't mean you have to make excuses for them and rely on emotional arguments to leave them off the hook.
- drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19Name something microsoft did to betray your trust...
Also something they did to earn it was sue multiple spammers across the country and world. I think fighting for the little guy with our money is not bad. Also Gates is a democrat who has raised money for schools in my area and helped the poor. It seems the causes that Microsoft fights for are things digg users fight for... odd how that works.
Oh but windows blows so they must have some hidden agenda cause I believe everything some guy said about them on the internet. - Theophrastus666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Who gives their real information when they sign up for a hotmail account anyway?
If you look at my hotmail account and the spam messages in it, I'm 97 years old, I live in Beverly Hills and I spend most of my time consuming viagra, prozac and transexual porn...
Which would put me in the same demographic as your average US Senator.
*****... I really didn't think this one through did I? - HalBSure, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You sound hot! Wanna cyber?
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16>> Someone please tell me something, anything, that Microsoft has done to earn your trust.
Hired people whose opinions I trust to help develop or provide training for their products. - pairanoyd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"MICROSOFT HAS NEVER BEEN AT WAR WITH LINIX"
That's correct. BUT,
"MICROSOFT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH LINUX" - yfeefy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4
Business as usual for billy bathgates protection services Inc. Before this, MS was a cancer on IT that should have been excised long ago. Nothing's changed. - J6stik, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Microsoft is NOT our Big Brother. It's doing the same thing as Google and Yahoo!, and is doing it after they already did it.
Rationally speaking, MS is not any less trustworthy than Google or Yahoo!. The fact that this was posted with its title shows that the author just wants diggs for an anti-MS article (and it worked), even though the article isn't anti-MS. - demonsofgoetia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@DonPMitchell:
"It seems that digg is biased by design against Microsoft"
You mean people with experience using more than one operating system are allowed to have a voice in things today? Why, I'm shocked! :)
"Is there anyplace on the net where people can have a practical conversation about the commercial software we use?"
/dev/null ? :) There are plenty of forums on the web for windows discussion with plenty of fanboys, they shouldn't be too hard to find. - atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8apparently 263 million users
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7just like most people use IE, both only because it's the default on the system
- Sil369, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9I lost trust in Microsoft when I learned their WGA thingy forced Windows to make regular contact with their server everyday, before they changed it to every 14 days (I think). THEY don't trust its own users.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3[quote]You know, people are going to say that Google already does the same thing with Gmail.[/quote]
I've said this numerous times already. It's not just Google, it's every corporation. But the spying isn't as much of a problem as lock-in to proprietary standards.
Why do you trust ANY corporation? Do you honestly think these corporations are your buddies? They are out to make money, they are out to expand and please their shadowy stockholders--who come from places as diverse as Iran and Saudi Arabia. Do you think they are looking out for your interest?
The recent generation of Americans seems to somehow have been conditioned to believe that corporations are the new keepers of this world, that they can do a better job than the government or independent businesses can. History has proven time and again that corporations routinely commit economic, financial, ecological, and medical crimes. They steal taxes, rob their own workers, spread pollution, and sell dangerous products. Why would you ever blindly trust anyone like this?!
America, if you put your trust in MS, you will get the same result as when you put your trust in Halliburton. Maybe worse. MS will control your every day lives, not just steal your taxes. - Johannesrexx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Who gives a royal FSCK?
This one has never had a hotmail account.
This one has never used MSN search - it uses FIreFox and Google.
This one uses Linux and Mac OS X 99.44% of the time.
The curs at Microsoft have NOTHING on this one.
What's your excuse? - joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5no I tihnk he means "raised money for schools" as in helping schools buy new teaching books and equipments and build new sections for the school
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I was going to say... oh, you mean like Google already does and has been doing for years?
- Kwipper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't mind ads much anymore, just so as long as they don't...
a.) interfere with productivity
b.) become an distracting eyesore, blemish which usually leands to a.)
c.) don't slow down my computer.
Oh wait.. that's impossible. DOWN WITH ADS! - sstidman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think it's funny how everybody is so worried about "Big Brother". I've been saying for a long time that I think everyone should be much more concerned about "Little Brother". "Big Brother" meaning the government and "Little Brother" mostly meaning your neighbor/friends but also companies. We know that many folks have their home PCs owned by SPAMbots. Couldn't a hacker instead make a "SPYbot" that would activate your camera, turn on your microphone, read all your personal files or intercept your communications? So while you're walking around your house naked someone could be watching you from 500 miles away. Nobody ever talks about that or seems to worry about it. The threats to our privacy have changed but people seem stuck in 1984.
I bet it's already happening and we just don't know it yet. - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I was being very sarcastic of course. I am also aware of Microsoft's use of IE7 apyware to refine Live/MSN search results. Among other phone-home tech...
- DenDen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3-No free service on the Internet has my correct "personal information". CHECK!
-I don't use Microsoft search, or Google-anything. CHECK!
-My browser blocks ads, including those targeted ones that are incorrectly targeted with incorrect personal information. CHECK!
-Bury this story as lame! CHECK!
-Will not check back for smart-arse remarks to my comments on this subject. PRICELESS! - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Microsoft has shown a real commitment to violating out rights to privacy, and dictating how we may or may not use the hardware we purchased.
Google is not using it's monopoly to prevent competition. You get to choose to use Google.
Until mainstream developers start supporting Linux, our only real choice for go Mac, which has a hardware requirement.
No one likes Windows. It has NEVER been the best OS. It dominated through marketing and starved out the rest of the industry.
Now... with no natural predators left, it is doing what every king of the food chain does and is turning on us. - rockingrhino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Google makes a lot of money off those "loss leaders". You "google" through their products raising their traffic, thus increasing their ad revenue.
BTW - Google is using the early Microsoft model. MS add a lot of freebies to Windows so you'll upgrade (Windows 95 not only changed the interface but added such things as a free web broswer and an IP stack [many don't remember that there was a time when you had to pay $$$ for TCP/IP software or the browser]).
MS made computing "easier" (to the non-tech) thus hooking billions to their products. Now Google is doing the same thing, just in the "Web 2.0" world.
Love them/hate them, none of those guys are idiots. - pixelat3d, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Lol, i love how totally off subject these comments can get.
A)Personal Data -- Google and Yahoo! do this already. Don't start running out the gates screaming that Microsoft is the devil because they're doing it. If you're so concerned about what you're searching use an anonymous search engine (yes there are plenty) or if you're less paranoid just use lost in the crowd or something.
B) WPA -- the only reason you need to worry about WPA validating itself is if you have an illegal copy of windows. Even if you -do- have an illegal copy of windows you have to be pretty ***** to get hit with a WPA related issue, aka your grandmother shouldn't be using illegal software, she won't be able to handle the upkeep.
C) Microsoft is at war with Apple - Yea, there's a little rivalry there, and rightfully so, but they're not eating each others heads. If anything Apple is way more of the public aggressor here with their "I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC" ads. Don't forget who bought a whole lot of apple stock when they were about to go bankrupt.
D)Microsoft is at war with Linux - In the server market, they're competitors, yes. Linux (unfortunately) still doesn't have a desktop market presence noticeable enough for them to care. Microsoft is more at war with Google and Yahoo! for web services than it is with anyone on the desktop platform.
E)M$ -- Anyone who refers to Microsoft as M$ is immediately discounted in any logical or rational debate, sorry. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I think MS and USGOV do most of their business together at the tax office.
- thep1mp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Sounds like a good business plan to me, but i am ruthless, also.
- jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8no. agreed. But by the same token don't tar microsoft, or anyone else with a brush that you're not willing to tar a bigger culprit of. google capture, keep, and use more information about you than anyone here can possibly understand, and they too are more than capable and willing to do things to betray our trust - e.g. take copies of my documents using google desktop search, and upload them to their servers without so much as telling me.
is microsoft clean when it comes to privacy.. no. But then neither is anyone else. - drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7@joe90210
Can you prove that the data microsoft uses from hotmail is actually personal? Just because they use data from hotmail users to target ads doesn't make it personal. Also how do you define personal data? If they target ads about video games because they notice the word games in a lot of subjects does that mean that they somehow used personal data? Is the word game associated with your email address (not you personally) somehow personal to you?
Don't get me wrong, you may be right but I don't think this stuff is as black and white as people want to make it. Theres definitely a lot of grey in this and I don't think its easy to know if our privacy is being violated unless its too late and too obvious. - echoic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Everyone on Digg is a mindless nutsack except for me.
- demonsofgoetia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ha Ha! Hotmail aside...
At least I know what's in the source code of the operating system that runs on MY boxes.
If you run a closed source OS, how many 3rd party closed source applications are you throwing on top to scan your drives for viruses or whatever and placing blind trust in a closed app on a closed OS to do so?
Don't worry, people will poo poo this story because it's more enjoyable for them to focus on companies like Google and watch if/when something goes wrong while they continue to pay for a closed source OS and look the other way while cracking borg/chair jokes. - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4i signed up for hotmail back before it was bought out, and it was very nice, but MS trashed it up and shoved .net down their new users throats. it kinda left a bad taste.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3That's a pretty lame title. Google is already my Big Brother and has been for years. Microsoft is Google's Little Brother, if anything.
- magicdan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have seen ads in action that use this data. It was actually refreshingly targetted and relevant to me at the time and was used in a banner advert. Orange mobile was targetting the ad at me and it pulled my freinds names, and my interests out of their data so I think this is only a good thing based on the fact that at least the ads that are forced on me are relevant.
- glock22ownr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@dkoon :
You replied to the wrong thread nub. Think before you click submit bud, and don't call people "fanboy" just because they try to make an argument for either side. - FZero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2YOUR big brother, not mine. I don't use hotmail.
- GatorVIP, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yahoo, Google, etc - they all do this, don't kid yourself. Read their ToS, they will have something along the lines of them owning everything you send or receive through their services.
- glock22ownr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4They are going to make Hotmail worse? Hotmail already blows, their spam filter sucks hard. Maybe it's just me, but back in the day when I had a Hotmail address I got so much spam it was ridiculous.
- topicnation, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Unbelievable! Things never change.
- jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5their explnation was that WGA checked in only to see if it should be disabled (incase of a WGA related flaw, which considering the wide reaching implications of WGA potentially saying everyone had an illegal copy of windows, by mistake). Not to see if by some odd miracle your previously legit copy of windows was now illegal, or to upload personal information about you, or to upload personal documents from you. Personally a) i have legit copy of windows b) i have a couple of KB of my upstream to check in every 2 weeks c) i have far more distrust in privacy related terms for microsoft than i do other IT firms out there.
at the end of the day it's only WGA. would the world be a better place without it? Yes. But is the world an horrific place to live with it? No. Turn your anger, frustation, and energies towards something worth getting upset about... e.g. world poverty, the environment, or getting a better job. :) - ZackScott, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4You're thinking about it entirely the wrong way. Just think we're all Microsoft's younger siblings instead.
- truck87bp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I have Digital Rights Management too, that's why I never go to any M$ sites because I hate Advertising. I pay thru the frickin nose for Internet service and I sure as hell don't want to watch commercials. Hot mail sucks anyway. What doesn't suck that M$ touches? They are trying to destroy the Internet.
- DonPMitchell, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Negative articles like this sit on the front page for a day or more, but I have observed that any news story about Microsoft that is remotely positive are blasted off digg almost immediately. We are supposed to believe that digg is an exercise is "democracy", but one in which the ballot boxes are stuffed apparently. A few nights ago, a fairly positive article about Vista appeared on digg, got about 50 comments, and then just vanished 30 minutes after it appeared. That's actually rather disturbing.
It seems that digg is biased by design against Microsoft. Why for example are there "Apple" and "Linux" catagories, but no place to put anything about "Windows". Advertised as an experiment in democratic media, I can't help but think the creators of digg decided to guide that outcome from the start, to push their own opinions.
Is there anyplace on the net where people can have a practical conversation about the commercial software we use? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1>>Personally, I would think more highly of Microsoft if they'd stop chasing Google and just make their own products better.
http://wls.live.com
http://local.live.com/
http://labs.live.com/photosynth/
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/
They can be my big brother any day. - Jumangi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Someone posts a story about how MS is doing something that every fricking large corporation does in some way or another, and it gets dug to the front page...pathetic.
- treelovinhippie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Marketing costs: $130mil
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1im not worried about microsoft doing this, the amount they're doing is nothing like the huge size and scope of what Google has done, continues to do, and never stop. Google is the most evil; they may say they protect users' data from outside use and sharing, and that's true to an extent, but they blantantly rifle through and scour deeply every word and phrase you search, every mail you write, every attachment you send, etc. They have the capabilities and free range to do all this, too. Where do you think 90 percent of their ideas come from...you and I and everyone else.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6So...you are blasting Microsofot because you THINK that their ads are going to be worse? Any proof?
I blast you because I imagine that you have sex with chickens. That makes it true.
Regardless, calling them Big Brother for doing EXACTLY what Google does, regardles of whether your eworthless life thinks the ads are "funny" or not is hte most pathetic thing I have ever read on Digg. and that says A LOT.
addw...Oh..I see. Anyone who points out how ***** STUPID your side of a debate is must be working for the other company?
Give me a ***** break. There is NO way you can be serious because no one that stupid would survive life long enough to operate a computer. You'd be dead from your own stupidyt by now. Like Microsofot is going to spend ONE DIME to have people go on Digg ***** dot com...a site that 99.999% of Americans have NEVER HEARD OF.
Facve it...you life is worthless. You have theis blind hatred stemming from jealousy. Time to move on. - Avalontor, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5@h0f5
You would then be really surprised at how many more are using Live Mail instead of GMail. -
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