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- exobyte, on 10/12/2007, -24/+126No. Microsoft should let users decide for themselves. Maybe hard drive spin-up times are unacceptable for a webserver, maybe they are. Let the users decide.
That, and having my monitor shutting off after 1 min of idle time would get old. - noodlez, on 10/12/2007, -2/+70i think the point is to make it to where the defaults are set as efficient, and then let the users change them at their whim, instead of the other way around.
perhaps instead of forcing it, giving a popup explanation of whats happening and let the user choose to auto-set everything to efficient, so they know whats happening. - DiggLurker, on 10/12/2007, -8/+63But most users don't decide and just leave the defaults. What are the power defaults for XP anyway?
- banderbe, on 10/12/2007, -11/+49Meanwhile, farting livestock the world over will keep emitting greenhouse gases at rates far exceeding all industry on the entire planet.
- delaen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39A reminder at patch time? Maybe.
Forcing it? Ugh, no. - chatwithaninja, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Lower the price of Steak. Please think of the children.
- WinGeek, on 10/15/2008, -6/+26Can you imagine how many users would be pissed off if Microsoft ever followed this advice?
This is one of those things that looks great on paper but not pratical in the real world. - JzLosman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Microsoft is just like every other company that produces customizable electronics. It is a common practice to have the product just work and have as much as possible set to off....if the end-user (the not so technologically advanced ones) plugs in his router and boom it works then he is happy...if it came with the security settings enabled and other things the user has to call support more often and they hate that...we discussed this for a very long time in networking.
So basically, the settings are already there...so we just have to go in and set them ourselves, its no rocket science. If it was set by default then alot of people would call Microsoft Support asking how come their screen keeps turning off every minute and why does my computer keep going to sleep boo hooo.
I dont blame microsoft or any of the other companies...end-users are annoying. - badnewsblair, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Or at least ask if they would like to set the Energy Saver setting during a user setup. Something where they don't just leave the defaults in place.
- t1t0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I also didn't know that there were periods of 10-15 minutes where nobody was using them... scary... ;)
- scoot2006, on 10/12/2007, -13/+27Or maybe you could all stop driving your HUGE ***** SUV. But neither will happen.
- mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21Yeah right. Humans burning fossil fuels added 26 billion tons of CO2 to the atmosphere in 2005. By comparison, 1.5 billion cows produce 0.015 billion tons of methane.
- FLUX, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18I am from TEXAS, and I drive one of those huge SUV's and I love it, just ordered another with the biggest engine option available, so go hug a tree while I run Bambi down while eating a quarter pounder with cheese sitting on my leather seats wearing Chinese slave labor made clothes smoking my big cigar
burn more coal we got tons and the smog will block out the sun and cancel global warming
I think spotted owl tastes allot like chicken
wonder-twin powers digg me down !!!!!! - VigilanteP, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18@halleyscomet
If we eat less meat then there will be MORE cows and MORE greenhouse-gas-emitting-farts... eat a cow and help mother earth. - cnuker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10>Nobody wants air traffic control computers to suddenly go into deep hibernation. But correcting for critical systems should be very simple for a company that churns out millions of lines of code every year.
I didnt know that air traffic control computers used Microsoft Windows? do they? - Chuck95, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15This is the exact email that I wrote to this site yesterday:
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This was obviously written by someone who does not have a lot of experience
with supporting Microsoft Windows.
When (and if) the code and hardware for energy saving becomes reliable, then
we could discuss implementing it on a wide scale. Power saving modes on a
large number of machines can cause system lock ups and even hardware
failures. Who do you think is going to get the call when someone looses 4
hours of work because their machine went into hibernate and then hung and
wouldn't come out? Microsoft? Or will it be your already overworked and
underpaid network administrator?
Is it an important issue? Sure it is. Support for "green" issues is one of
my biggest political concerns, but this is NOT the way to do it. As you hint
at with the Playstation 3 power usage, target the hardware manufacturers.
Forcing implementation of a decidedly unreliable software feature is just
bad news. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I hope he doesn't do this, whenever my computer goes into hibernation mode it has a 50/50 chance of coming out of it alive.
- ClassicJBC, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16@VigilanteP
Umm, you do realize that meat producers have active control over how many livestock animals they birth, right? Eating less meat would result in fewer new animals, which would result in less methane.
To be fair in this argument, not only does a vegetarian diet reduce methane, but it also takes much less energy and resources (fertilizer, farmland, etc.) to maintain. I think it takes something like 7 more acres per year to produce food for an omnivore than for a vegan. - pixelfox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8It should be added. Most computer users are frankly stupid (or at least unexperienced) and wouldn't tinker with the settings. If you make it the default and then give them ample explanation on how to change it, its better. Frankly, when the fate of our way of living is threatened by our own actions, I think we all have to take one for the team.
- vvaduva, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16Another WHACKO suggestion coming from enviro-losers that want to dictate how I run my life and my computer. How about letting me decide how to set up my machine? You can turn off your lights in your house if you want...let me live my life as I see fit.
Oh..and stop making up stuff...you pulled 5-7 trillion right out of your butt! Your lies and misrepresentations are only hurting legitimate environmentalist goals in the long run - you make all of us look like idiots and liars. - AXNJAXN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+645 Million Tons, huh?
I wonder how much hot air we could save if Ballmer stopped talking about Linux. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Shutting off the hard drives to conserve power damages them in the long run....which leads to physical waste.
- Snoopsor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Just adding to ClassicJBC's argument.
The amount of water required by farming is incredible:
Yearly Avg. = ~8100 gallons of water required per cow
http://www.nwnyteam.org/AgFocus2006/Aug/Water.htm
This is when a large amount of the world doesn't even have safe drinking water.
Because of supply and demand, if people eat more meat, farmers will grow more animals to supply for that demand. Those animals will use far more resources, not to mention all the labour and time required for such things. - Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5From submitter: "Energy savings would be worth $5 to $7 trillion dollars"
From TFA: "the world spends $5 to $7 billion* dollars every year powering inactive computers"
Billion, trillion, don't mean *****. Extra points if you get the reference. - spjmm0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Thanks for deciding how and when my computer should run; and how much meat I eat. would you like to be on the list of people I call when I want to clean myself after I use the bathroom also?
Are you going to volunteer to be one of the people to be "removed" Albinoraven"? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I didn't know we had to give our computers emission tests..oops.
- khag7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Its simple. If Microsoft uses power saving options by default, users can change it if they deem it necessary. Any operator of a "critical" system should know or should have someone in the company that knows how to override the defaults. Its simply Microsoft not setting a smart default choice.
- leonbev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yep... If they actually deployed this patch, Microsoft would end up crashing millions of computers with buggy drivers and flaky hardware that does not properly support being put into Standby mode.
Great idea there, blog boy.... Go back to your Mac and leave IT support to the professionals. - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Let the users decide," sure, but the defaults are there for those who don't know about the settings. People get up and leave their computers all the time without powering them down.
- Vlatro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Damn Right it Does.
I have a Mac right now that is operating with NO energy at all. Even without power, it's a fully functional door stop. Reduce - Reuse - Recycle - MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What needs to be done is Microsoft should make it trendy to go green with a Vista widget that shows your cumulative CO2 pollution from your computer. Add a calculator that lets you plug your monthly home/business KWH usage in there to really freak people the ***** out. Oh, and add your vehicle's yearly CO2 rate as well.
Someone write that so I can install it. :) - LiquidPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@curios
"I set my desktop background to black and also the menu background etc."
"I did this primarily for saving electricity from glowing screens."
Do you also use a smaller font to save on hard drive space? - JamieBarrows, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Microsoft CAN'T blanket update the default power settings like that. Most computers, especially ones with any kind of legacy hardware, simply do not support power saving methods. This results in lockups and crashes in the machines when the OS tries to turn off the particular component. So if Microsoft did this they would be causing a lot of instability in the machines they run on.
People forget that Microsoft, unlike Macintosh, does not control the hardware that it's software runs on. So they really don't have any way of ensuring that the hardware manufacturer has implemented things the way they should be. - maximusGeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Recently a few West Coast Air Traffic Control Systems moved from UNIX to Windows.... there was a 4 hour (if I remember correctly) blackout due to a software bug. .... so yes, some critical systems do use Windows.
I personally don't trust my web browsing to Windows let alone critical systems but hey.. who am I to say. - iamhrh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I especially liked the bit that quoted how the energy requirements of electronics were "going in the wrong direction"
The very nature of how processors are build demands that power requirements go up as their speed & processing power goes up.
Want to get your ones and zeros through faster? Make the paths shorter.
Want to make the paths shorter? Die size shrinks.
Small die size? More leakage.
More leakage? Guess what...more power required.
Processor using more power? More lost as heat.
Losing more as heat? Use bigger fans.
*sigh* - trekkie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@killinger777
Funny, this states otherwise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7It has nothing to do with the amount released. Cows take in plants which have taken in CO2 which was released by the cows. This does not change the composition of the atmosphere. We are taking fossil fuels from deep within the earth and releasing CO2 into the atmosphere.
- killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3“The plane was going there anyway.” - Arianna Huffington
- Vlatro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I bet I already know who killed your electric car. It was George ***** Bush, that's who. He conspired with Bill Gates, massive worldwide oil companies, a bunch of Arab princes, and the US tobacco industry. They destroyed the electric cars. But of course all this was meant to be discovered in righteous liberal video documentaries and told as fact. They want you to focus on this to keep you from learning the truth... That Ronald Regan payed for the falsified "moon landing videos" after the real astronauts found massive oil deposits on the moon, which are being secretly drilled and transported back to Saudi Arabia, providing a justification for a war that is actually not about the Oil, as they want you to think. No this war is simply to help them prepare for the "Final Battle" where they plan to stop the second coming of L. Ron Hubbard.
There you have it, every digg conspiracy theory rolled into one. Someone should make a video documentary out of that. In the meantime I think I'll go aimlessly spray aerosol cans in the faces of puppies, lather myself up in crude oil and proceed to have a wild messy petrol-orgy with a bunch of nice clean, white catholic women. - Snoopsor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@vandread
While there is a large amount of drinking water frozen in the antarctic and methods for turning salt water into drinking water, these methods are usually not very practical.
Take Australia for instance... Over the last few years, Australia has been going through the longest drought in 100 years. As the article says, every 4 days a farmer has been committing suicide because their farms are just drying up. http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/38589/story.htm
All the water restrictions in Australia are sadly in abundance http://www.sydneywater.com.au/SavingWater/WaterRestrictions/
This, naturally isn't a localised problem just in Australia
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-01-26-water-usat_x.htm
Looking after our resources and being smart about it, is an issue we're being forced to look at. Just to make it clear, I'm not a vegetarian. Years ago I even worked in a butchery for awhile. The amount of consumption was a pretty sick thing - how much people went through, and the practices used. Such as injecting chicken breasts with water to make them weigh more and look bigger so they could be sold for a higher price.
I would be all for an alternative to meat, as long as I couldn't tell the difference between it and the real thing.
Sorry for getting slightly off topic. - vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"Arby's five for five, here I come..."
Lucky bastard. All the Arby's by me switched from five for five, to five for $5.55, then to four for five. - Vlatro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Amen brother.
Mass Death = Cleaner Environment.
Wait, don't smog, pollution, chemical waste and global warming bring mass death. Looks like this is a problem that will work it's self out. - killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5They tried that, no one bought them.
- rft3rd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Since when is it a software companies responsibility to "conserve energy" that hardware manufactures are creating in the first place.. Dont put the onus on MS put it on intel and AMD to create more efficient processors that can shut down pipes they are not using to conserve energy??? Just a thought!
- DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Nah, Microsoft should go the reverse route, disable all power management, and pre-install Folding@Home. We'll cure cancer in a day.
- maximusGeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So some of you are concluding we should eat more people?
- valkraider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@liquid penguin
Actually, having a pure black background can save power on an LCD. It all depends on the type of LCD you have.
I might not have this exactly, as it was a while back that I read the info. But the gist is:
Each Pixel doesn't consume power unless it is active. By "active" depending on the type of LCD you have, that means black or non-black. If you have the type of LCD that is inactive on black, then you save a little electricity for each pixel that is black.
I know this is an entirely simplistic explanation, but it is actually true. - chithon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Some people do not know the facts behind the electric car.
You should check out "Who Killed the Electric Car" ... then do your own research to double check your facts. (I would never tell you to take a movie at fact value)
After that maybe you will learn that the things you "Know You Know" are not correct.
I miss my Electric Car. (Her name was Mary) - curios, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Liquidpenguin :)
- pirotess, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So... using computers running Windows causes global warming.
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