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- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -9/+160The more microsoft tightens the vise the more passionate the warez crowd will get about cracking their checks. I fully expect a validation free vista on usenet/torrent to hit even before it gets on store shelves.
- DiamondIce, on 10/12/2007, -3/+84"the point is that the harder it gets to pirate it the more likely for people to buy a legit license."
That's what they said about Laserlock, Securom, StarForce, SafeDisc, DRM, Windows Activation, and WGA, so far none of those have even made a dent. The fact of the matter is if you can build it someone else can (and mose likely will) take it appart. Just when you think something is fool-proof they go and make a better fool. - coryp420, on 10/12/2007, -7/+70I'm not big into praying, but if i do i sure won't waste it on Microsoft
- JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -6/+69Microsft, MPAA, RIAA
- ericcc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+64Maybe not switch but definetly keep a linux distro with the ability to access NTFS filesystems handy just in case. Baby steps.
- cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -4/+60If you make the software affordable, then most people will buy it.
Who thought it was a good business plan to treat all of your customers as potential criminals? - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40Of course Ubuntu wouldn't do that, they don't sell their OS so they have no need to. I really don't need any 'guarantee' from some random person about it.
Oh, stating the obvious.. I see, continue on. - mouthster, on 10/12/2007, -14/+46"microsoft has invested millions and millions of dollars into developing vista. 6000 programmers that cost 250k per year after you take into account salary/benefits and the salaries/benefits of those that work to support them. that figure doesn't include testers, either. they have thousands of them."
Millions of dollars and 6000 programmers and they still can't come up with anything other then a re-hashed XP with window dressing.
LOL @ Microsoft. - 47knight, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33Trust me, there will be workarounds. There are already workarounds to the 17 day trial vista demo, lmao.
- sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28... but then you'll have nothing to sync your zune with.
- BeefBaron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23@Hegemony
The Pirate Bay - redxii, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23I thought activation was enough. It wasn't supposed to be a cure-all and wasn't intended to be. Then they set up a flawed system of determining if the license is more valid than "it activates" and denied--false positive or not--downloading of updated components and access to WU. Then they added a notifier. Now, false positive or not, you can wake up one day and be locked out of your system and told to pony up a few hundred dollars to gain access.
Admittedly it hasn't happened to me yet, but I don't want it to. I'm transitioning to Linux. - jpfree, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25Don't use BitLocker. Use TrueCrypt. It's free, open source and cross platform.
- aaronlidman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22They've been threatening and attempting this for years, not much ever comes of it and if something does there will be a patch or workaround.
- FinishdLawSkool, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19dave colorado said "if you have paid for the OS, then you will have no issues"
just like all those people who were forced to call india when the wga on their XP said that thety had a pirated version when they did not...
and just like all those times Microsoft wants me to purchase a new license because i changed the mobo or processor...
idiot... - spankaccount, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22Mark my words. There is no way Microsoft would pull spyware/virus protection abilities of any versions of windows - doing so would pose too much of a threat to the entire net community as a whole.
- mouthster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20I would hardly call that page enlightening. All that stuff is to be expected for an OS that hasn't seen a refresh since 2001. I'm so glad they decided to include handy DRM features though. Thanks Microsoft! I almost copied my own digital content!
As far as telling me to make my own OS. What's the point in that? OS X and Linux are already fine OS's. Fine OS's that were created with less resources then Microsoft.
- IdanE, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17It's going to get cracked, that's a given. MS wants to make life harder for "casual" pirates. DUH! MS wants to make more money. Obviously.
I have XP corp. Installed and never saw WGA until I was at a friends' house. my guess is that no matter what, MS will keep Corp.Ed. activation free - I don't know too many organizations that are dying to spend more time than they have to in order to upgrade, and MS knows that. once they release that, it's a matter of days (or more likely, hours) until some cracker created a Vista Ultimate corporate edition available on Usenet, and 24 hours later, we'll see torrents with thousands of seeds spreading the wealth.
Oh, and I don't know about you guys, but most people I know either have the knowhow to install windows and it's various cracks, or have someone who knows do it for them - BenSerwa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18"if you have paid for the OS, then you will have no issues."
If this was the case, there wouldn't be a problem. But it's not, even legitimate users get screwed over sometimes. - kyriakos, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18I'm buying it but OEM. I dont think that many people buy non-OEM windows.
- GhostCow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I am, because I'm a gamer. Otherwise I'd use linux.
Gamers are screwed it comes to using microsoft products... The rest of you guys don't have much of an excuse :P - dave_colorado, on 10/12/2007, -16/+28microsoft has invested millions and millions of dollars into developing vista. 6000 programmers that cost 250k per year after you take into account salary/benefits and the salaries/benefits of those that work to support them. that figure doesn't include testers, either. they have thousands of them.
if you want to use their OS, you play by their rules or use a different OS. Microsoft isn't treating users like criminals, but they are being strict. if you have paid for the OS, then you will have no issues. with the amount of money they've invested into vista, you shouldn't expect to get it for free. that's why there are alternatives. - antdude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Broken link, but http://duggmirror.com/software/Microsoft_Pirates_Beware_Everyone_Else_Pray/ has it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15People talk about Windows as if you HAVE to use it...if you don't like all this kinda stuff...there is a choice.
- ericcc, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18I'll take anecdotal evidence over heresay anyday.
- jono1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Aero gets turned off automatically when you play a game anyway.
- noGoodNamesLeft, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@dave_colorado; and as they are in what is a very-near monopoly position for those who wish to use most mainstream desktop-oriented software, most people don't have a choice if they wish to use much mainstream software.
"if you want to use their OS, you play by their rules or use a different OS."
Please cut the sanctimonious crap. MS don't play by the rules (i.e. the LAW) if they can get away with it. They've been convicted of criminal behaviour. They're quite happy to use the law to protect their monopoly, and to push past it when it doesn't suit them.
"Microsoft isn't treating users like criminals, but they are being strict."
No, every legitimate user that is wrongly locked out of his/her software is being treated as a criminal, as has already happened with WGA. As for your pat and unsubstantiated claim that "if you have paid for the OS, then you will have no issues", I'll believe that when I see it.
"with the amount of money they've invested into vista, you shouldn't expect to get it for free."
I don't. I expect more competition in the desktop market.
"that's why there are alternatives."
But not, in many cases, to using Windows.
Estvir: "Oh, and when you can build an OPERATING SYSTEM which is compatible with the amount of hardware and software Windows is, give me a call."
Windows hardware and software support is a function of its ubiquity; manufacturers provide drivers and support for Windows because everyone uses it. I'm not going to claim that Linux is perfect in this area, but you give Windows itself more credit than it deserves. - xinul, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13um no they will have workarounds your parents on the other hand who can barley program their vcrs on the other hand will suffer.
- sooperdooper, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21Show of hands, who's seriously buying Vista?
- DiamondIce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"The hassle and time wasted to bring your system back into working conditions might not always be worth the money you save by not getting an original copy."
I disagree. Speaking from personal experience the average person that will be using a warez version of vista would most likely see being locked out as a minor inconvenience. And it's most likely something that a person, with the knowledge to download and install an illegal copy, would be able to circumvent, assuming there was a crack/patch available. Most of the people that I've met that were new to the scene had the technical want and/or know-how to find a way around problems like this, if they didn't they wouldn't be on the scene. That being said I don't disagree that this will stop some few people from continuing to use Vista, but most would just wait for a fully cracked version and not have to bother with the whole thing. Basically, it may slow down the piracy a bit at first, but as soon as the first fully cracked version is available it's going to be business as usual. I know it has been said time and time before, but if Microsoft really wants to stop people from illegally using their OS then they need to stop offering critical updates for illegal versions, regardless of the consequences. - kunalthakar, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16This is absolutely great news I say. This way more people will switch to Linux and other free operating systems!
- kyriakos, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Its surprising how much new stuff comes with Vista. Read the wikipedia article, things that will not be available in mainstream hardware for the next 2 years are being cared for by the release of Vista we'll be getting in a month's time. Whats important about an operating system is what happens behind the scenes rather than the visual eye candy and from what I've read there's a lot going on where it should.
- skunkman62, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13"Bill Gates has made enough money already. It's time he starts giving Windows away." - rmmcclay
a better idea is for bill gates to give his money to improve global heath and development. oh wait he's doing that now. so stfu - RoboRay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"Of course there's always Windows emulation, with WINE."
WINE Is Not an Emulator!!!" - kyriakos, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16DiamondIce I agree everything can get cracked/hacked - I didn't say that. Its easy for a newbie to run his windows XP on a VLK but then WGA came along and made his life a bit more difficult, then he switched automatic updates on and avoided using Windows Update and all was good. Now if he gets a lockdown it won't be just a matter of switching serial numbers to get everything back on. The hassle and time wasted to bring your system back into working condition might not always be worth the money you save by not getting an original copy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18FANTASTIC article title!
- euphoriadj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8All this stuff was the original plan for XP
But the bad publicity drove it off - Shananra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"if you have paid for the OS, then you will have no issues."
I wish that were the case. The reason I switched to Mac is because I had a legitimate copy of windows, which one day decided that it was pirated. (I guess sp2 can do that) and wouldn't let me get updates. I decided to upgrade to the x64 edition, as this seemed as good of an opportunity as any. I did this, but found x64 to be a royal pain in the ass, unstable, and very problematic. After a number of months, this, too, thought it was pirated.
Ultimately I discovered that the reason why is because I constantly rotate out my hardware, which I guess is against the TOS. Go figure.
Ah well, I couldn't be happier with the switch to Mac. Oh, and the windows box in question? It has been set free. Running SuSe 10.1 now, with no issues and it works great. Everything that I need has a Linux version or alternative, with the exception of photoshop, which runs fine on the Mac.
My point in bringing all this up is that I can't be the only one who's had problems like this with legitimate software, and if Microsoft thinks that the general public is going to put up with that, well, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening. - cowardlydragon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The perfect virus:
a worm that tricks microsoft into deactivating Vista.
- It doesn't happen for 30 days, so it's a built-in ticking time bomb!
- It has 30 days to spread...everywhere.
BTW, what exactly does Vista have that people want? I've secured XP fairly well behind a hardware firewall. Beyond that....DX10? That'll be out for XP in two months since the game publishers won't tolerate only-Vista gaming fragmenting the already-fractured PC market. Ummm, what else? WinFS? Monad? Search better than google desktop? Ummm... anything? - RetroActive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+21i wouldnt want any of the "eye candy" or anything from ms stealing my resources anyways. logging me out after 60mins however might piss me off enough to just use linux.
- MattRK, on 10/12/2007, -13/+20So i drove up to the gas station the other day... and they wouldn't give me any gas for free?!?!?! I was so pissed i went to digg.com and wrote an article and told people to pray that the gas station gives me free gas. You know the gas station is going to loose half of its market share becuase they don't give free gas out.
I AM SO MAD! - jenocin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8This does become a big problem for people who constantly upgrade hardware and change machines. Usually gamers or high end users. In the last 2 years I have totally gutted my machine 4 times, and multiple minor switches. Last I heard the release would be in feb. Thus all pcs bought for christmas would need to purchase an upgrade if they weren't given that path when they bought the machines. Most normal consumers wouldn't even know to ask. We'll just have to wait and see.
- BenSerwa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Because, unlike actual criminals, most crackers are in it more for the challenge than for greed.
- NomenNescio, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8ARRRRRR
- gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15I am, but mainly because I have a use for it (bitlocker).
- JimDinger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Then how come,eveyother person I have personal contact with and have pretty good systems have the same complaints as I do? But Im not in here to get in a pissing contest with you,so I will let this lay where it is. Vista is a hog and everyone will know it.
- jimbo92107, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11I'm using my very last Microsoft operating system right now--Windows XP. Sometime next year, when Linux has enough WiFi support, I'm going to dump Uncle Bill's merry-go-round for Ubuntu or Suse.
Why pay for Microsoft's bug-ridden hacker meat when you can get Linux for free? - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15I don't love Vista (Though it's about freaking time MS will release a Windows version which is a massive improvement), I'm simply posting correct information instead of the FUD being flung around.
I know I'm going against the policy we all agree to when you sign up on Digg, /. and elsewhere, that being to blindly hate Microsoft and spread FUD, but enough is enough.
Than again, why don't you people go marry Linux since you seem to love it so much and leave the poor souls who choose to use Windows alone ?
It's really easy to make stupid comments like that.
Also, for the record I post the correct info if people slander Free/OpenBSD, *Nix or whatever. It just seems that if you do it for MS you're some horrible person or you work for them. Real smart logic there. - sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I think that from their point of view it 60 minutes with web is just enough time for you to buy a legit cd key. From a pirates point of view, 60 minutes and web access is just enough time to crack vista.
(more than enough) - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"yeah, thats what everyone said about windows xp when it was released because of the WGA and other activation hassles. "
They did? WGA was voluntary until July 2005. They can't have said that when XP was released as you say. I also don't recall many activation hassles from XP release day, but I do recall the "devils0wn" VLK release... It was very simple back then to go around these protections, and what bovester talks about above is if things are made harder, they'll lose out on market penetration. -
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