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- ahole, on 10/12/2007, -39/+87Step 1 - Create lousy, unsafe operating system which is vulnerable to attack.
Step 2 - Wait about a month every time someone discovers a security hole to patch it, if it gets a patch at all.
Step 3 - Sit back and wait while step 1 & 2 wreak havoc in the lives of millions of your customers.
Step 4 - Sell basic security for product created in step 1 for an additional $49.99 per year!
Result - Bill Gates remains richest man in world - Warren Buffett breaks down in tears as he admits Uncle Billy's new "Protection Racket" fortune cannot be matched.
Strange, they arrest the mafia for doing this kind of thing. - phpirate, on 10/12/2007, -12/+50Most of these kinds programs you can download free anyway.
I have no idea who would trust a company who needs a sell program to protect their own software anyway. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+39Or pay nothing and receive an entire Operating System for free with a free office suite:
Ubuntu Linux (shipped to you for free as well)
https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
Problem solved - Vertabreaker, on 10/12/2007, -13/+38Step 1: Bend over
Step 2: Grab ankles
Step 3: Take it up the tail pipe.
So...not only is MS most likely going to charge ridiculous amounts of $$$ for the actual OS, they're going to lay, a most likely ***** security product which will need about 5000000 fix packs to work somewhat decent, on top of it.
My butt is sore already and I haven't even paid yet. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+31first of all... didn't microsoft say (on digg) that they would never make people pay for antivirus software?
aditionally... i've had the OneCare Beta since it came out, and it gives you a security status bar, with different levels and colors to tell you how safe your computer is. It gives you a lower safety rating if you haven't backed up for a while, or if your antivirus protection isn't up to spec. What really pisses me off is the fact that they give you a much lower security rating because of the fact that you haven't updated your trial software to the full (paid) service. This is NOT a security threat to your computer, and as a software manufacturer, you should not be spreading paranoia out in the public because trial software isn't upgraded to a full version (with the same features). I don't want to see a Red security bar with "your computer is at risk"
microsoft... you really piss me off sometimes - Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26"Look at the automobile industry. The parts are built to last 2-10yrs, after which you're forced to buy more to have a functional vehicle."
This isn't planned obsolescence we're talking about.
A better analogy would be: Sell a car where only one of the doors locks, then offer an annual service to protect your car from theft.
How about making all the doors lock instead of trying to sell me another "service" to do what you should have done originally. - XTCinOvaltine, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20In actuality, OneCare is a great product. It ctahces spyware that norton nor spybot S&D catches. I have been a beta tester for OneCare for nearly a year now. Its a very good product, but extremely incompatible with Norton LiveUpdate, as both OneCare and Norton block each others updates.
- mynickel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Essentially, Microsoft is financially rewarding itself to create an unsafe and unstable product.
What will be there incentive now to create a secure software package? Doing so will only cut into revenue generated by OneCare. - lippyjka, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18The best anti-virus by far is NOD32: http://www.eset.com/products/index.php. These people don't waste money advertising, have the fastest software by far, and from what i've seen, the fastest response time from all the anti-virus I've tried (Norton, Mcafee, AVG (free edition))
- northerncomfort, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18The idea of Microsoft charging money to add better security to their own operation system is completely absurd. Hopefully the Average Joes notice what a scam this stunt is, too, and don't let Microsoft take another stab at the wallet.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18"youre all ***** RETARDED."
Great way to start an intelligent dialog
you may think digg is biased againt your extremly minority views but stop and take notice that all people did was digg down sjgmoney and noone resorted to using profanity or calling him names. I find people that have litle or no arguement resort to attacking the messangers.
I do admit it would be nice if digg showed both the thumbs up and the thumbs down so you can get an idea of how many people agree with you.
If you want to argue fine but lets keep it mature and without needless name calling or profanity. If you hate digg so much you should leave though. You remind me when i was young and a waiter, had a customer come in 3 times a weak and before he left each time, he would complain about how crappy our resteraunt was, i think the only reason he ate there was to complain. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21Look at the automobile industry. The parts are built to last 2-10yrs, after which you're forced to buy more to have a functional vehicle.
It's sad that the best business plan is sometimes to sell a flawed product and fix it later. - Gregd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I was part of the Windows OneCare Beta.....well up until I actually read the EULA. I don't have the exact quote in front of me, but it basically gave Microsoft carte blanche to my computer. They could access anything and everything on my computer to keep me "safe". I opted out of the beta at that point because giving someone carte blanche access to my computer goes against anything I consider "safe".
- mbm1980, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Well, considering this is an online service and you're going to wait for it to show up on "the forums or BitTorrent",
I'd say you just made a fool out of yourself.
So, let's look at the score:
Clever comments by JohnnyVu: 0
Stupid comments by JohnnyVu: 1 - kirkio, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20I thought Windows Security was an oxymoron...
- mlkczky, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10If Windows sucks, its security is so bad, and $60 a year to protect 3 computers is such burden, then why aren't we all using Macs?
- anonymonk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7By the way... even though you can purchase OneCare directly from Microsoft for $49.99/yr, you can still get it from Amazon at $19.99/yr.
- ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15They have to charge for it...otherwise McCrappy and Norton would try to sue them for being "anticompetitive".
- Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I've been using OneCare since the closed beta first started. It isn't bloated, doesn't take up tons of resources and last but not least it doesn't slow your computer with 2gb of memory, 74gb Raptor to a pulp like Norton does. I've turned many people on to this new software suite. I hope it catches on as Symantec and McAfee definately needs some new competition in order to innovate or at least better their existing products.
- 0siris, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11you could just download the free 6 month virus scan that comes wiht the google pack.
pack.google.com
when it runs out... just reinstall!
gotta love google - tsupersonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Nod32 is amazing, I use antivirus just to be safe, and I've been using this for a long time. Before I had NAV, and it sucked big time, just slowed the laptop down. It was also my first time with XP, and I had gone on blaming XP for being bloated, but after I uninstalled Nav (which was a pain in the ass), my system was blazing fast, and since then Nod32 has been really fast, quiet (only popups a ballon message saying signature is updated). I hope this isn't sounding like an ad, but I highly recommend it over OneCare, which comes from a company that can't protect their OS in the first place.
- anonymonk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Would you stop it with the apponusb link? It's not even available yet....
- ryanodine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No, but I would have a problem if I bought a car and lets say a standard feature like the locks didn't work correctly. But the nice car company offers to sell you a replacement lock system that actually works. Yeah, I have a problem with that.
- jwoelich, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12"2. Respond as quick as possible to any security flaws that are discovered"
Yeah..and "as quickly as possible" just happens to occur on the second Tuesday of every month. Lightning speed right there. I was accepted into the ongoing Beta for OneCare, and I'd still rather use other dedicated commercial applications rather than that bloated cruft, and I get it for free. - Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Just as a side note, it is definately not recommended to run two anti-virus program at the same time side by side.
- shoover, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11You can tell sjgmonkey and goat4 have never had to support microsoft products in an enterprise environment.
"2. Respond as quick as possible to any security flaws that are discovered"
Ha! HA! - pabster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Agreed. NOD32 is the *****.
- soopafly, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10"Judging by the comments on this article, it seems many diggers do not have car insurance, home-owner's insurance or any kind of anti-theft devices on their cars, as they expect these systems to be included at no additional cost by the product manufacturers."
Worst...comparison....EVER!!!!!! - Sukino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I love my Spybot+Nod32+Firefox/Opera combo free of charge.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -15/+20"DARE YOU TO REFUTE THAT and somehow save face, because you CANT refute that as factual circumstances."
Well, it's easy to refute. There's no arguing that Windows is a flawed OS when it comes to security. It's very foundation of code is susceptible to a wide variety of attacks. Those vulnerabilities should never have existed.
There's also no arguing that MS is quite slow in getting fixes out.
In the end, MS could have chosen to
a) fix a lot of these problems with the OS for free
b) charge people for this 'fix' and make more money.
If you want to defent MS for this, fine, but don't expect to have make a lot of friends because of it. - davidbond, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5What a bunch of "OneCare"s.
- regeya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5In response to dixonr315:
"Your parents and friends are more tech savy than mine then :-)"
Who said anything about family and friends? You can't take advantage of a great system because your parents aren't tech-savvy? You can't use something that takes a bit (and only a bit) of knolwedge because your friends are tech-illiterate?
WOW. Those are some pretty screwed-up priorities. My dad's head would explode if he ever got 'hold of Emacs (never mind that he uses and even BIGGER lisp-friendly, more confusing app, AutoCAD) but that doesn't stop me from adding viper-mode to my ~/.emacs and letting 'er rip... - canyonblue, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6look guys... we can also say it is MS's fault for a bad operating system or that you can download most of this protection type of software for free... but NONE OF THAT takes away the simple fact that...
1. Windows OneCare is an excellent piece of software.
2. Windows OneCare is the only all in one soultion (not a suite, but truly one program does it all) for spyware, anti-virus, backup, and disk care.
The price is right, it is dirt simple to use for the grandma's out there, and best of all it works really, really well.
it is a step in the right direction until MS can get their act together and make a better OS. - nozol03, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Escamillo
Off target much? You shouldn't be charged to have loopholes fixed due to ***** code and ridiculous oversights.
Other Operating Systems aside, Microsoft should have the foresight to plan ahead for many of the issues they have, and when they do run into issues, they should fix the problem without charging you.
It's kind of like me selling you a POS car and labeling it as "Like new". Then you can pay me to constantly fix it.
For the record, I've never seen malware on DOS 6.1 or AS400. - anonymonk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Judging by the comments on this article, it seems many diggers do not have car insurance, home-owner's insurance or any kind of anti-theft devices on their cars, as they expect these systems to be included at no additional cost by the product manufacturers.
- pabster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Your computer is at risk. You have not upgraded to Windows Vista Ultimate Edition!"
- TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4usually infection happens by stupid users.....
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6lol people like you keep me in the money/... there is way more to windows security than avoiding bad sites, kazzaa, and attachments from people you dont know.
One of my favorite lines is
"how did i get a virus, i have never opened an attachment from a stranger" - HeavyMetaler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You guys are missing the bigger picture....If Microsoft Included this in their OS then they would go through the whole antitrust Internet Explorer deal again like they did with netscape. If they gave it away for free norton would start whining about how it's anti-competitive and that they are forcing it onto users.
- TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3are you kidding me? an up-to-date antivius (AVG), up to date windows patches, and strict downloading practices......you're still telling me that my system is going to die from a virus? you're don't even know what you're talking about! People please, please, please, please, please.....know what you're talking about BEFORE you comment....the intelligence level of this whole discussion is really low!
- Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@dcipjr
Microsoft is continuing to patch real OS holes for free with Windows Update.
Even a "flawless" OS is vulnerable to spyware and trojan horses, so extra protection is needed if that OS is being targetted.
BTW, I get Security Updates for my Mac nearly every month. Firefox's updates nowadays have more patches than features. OSX and Firefox are getting lucky so far because nobody's bothering to exploit the flaws, not because the flaws don't exist. - nozol03, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Step 1 - Create OS full of exploits and loopholes
Step 3 - Profit - TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Do you not get the faulty logic behind that?! A new software package comes out to help protect better an existing operating system...which means that existing operating system is too sucky to protect itself......so by your logic, Linux can't protect itslsef because TrendMicro came out with several security suites for Linux type servers.... Microsoft is trying to protect its stupid users from their stupid selves.
- dcipjr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I don't think that fits my logic at all.
TrendMicro sells software to protect an operating system that they didn't create. Microsoft, on the other hand, is releasing software to protect their own product -- instead of just fixing the faulty system directly, which they have full power to do. Why not just fix Windows instead of gouging your user base for more money? - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3one more reason to switch
- purpleplatyduck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3the product isn't bad in and of itself, though I was frustrated by its lack of customization. Couldn't set some of the most basic user preferences. The problem I have with it is that it should already be integrated into the operating system, not in the form of an antivirus/etc, but as better security to begin with.
- dixonr315, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Your parents and friends are more tech savy than mine then :-)
- Merlyn383, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"But how about posting intelligent responses on how all you geniuses would run a multi-national corporation? What do you expect them to do, and please leave out your ridiculous answers like give away their OS (great business idea!!!)?"
sjgmoney, I expect them to ship a secure operating system. And, if they do in fact find a problem, or have one reported to them, I expect them to fix the problem with they're faulty product.
Going back to the auto industry analogy, if there is a problem with a part of the car, they recall the car. You take your car to the local dealership that has a service center, and they replace the faulty part of the car at no cost. It takes a little bit of my time, but they do the brunt of the work. That is what I expect from any company, multi-national or not.
I don't expect them to give away their OS, because I agree with you, it is a poor business model if you are in the business to make money. But I do expect them to give free support and repairs when the OS that they ship is found to have a problem. - Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Firefox is filled with vulnerabilities, or haven't you been paying attention to Firefox's updates for the past few months?
Opera seems OK (although I'm sure it has its share of flaws as well). - riscpilot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think that we consumers are the ones that have to step to the plate and force our law makers to use the same rules for all businesses , some people here have use analogies to cars.
have you guys ever ear this (ford, gmc, honda recalled 20,000 cars for faulty air bags" or any other important security part?). the above appends when a few hundred accidents points to a faulty part.
how about if we use the same rules for a software that literally runs more than 1/2 of the worlds economy, military, and scientific computers in the world. I have never seen no one aver talking about the. " Microsoft quality assurance program" correct me if I'm wrong . :)
thank good I have been using Linux and osX since 1995. -
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