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- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -5/+32I know basically every person and site on the net, and elsewhere, is going to try and spin this like ignorant people have already so I'll point out how it's not a bad thing, well, I'll quote someone else.
"So why will they have SP1 ready this year? Because Windows Vista and Windows Server 2007 share the same codebase, which means both operating systems use many of the same binaries. While Windows Vista has gone through more reliability testing than any previous consumer OS, Windows Server 2007 will have an extra 6-10 months of testing. So Microsoft gets a two-fold benefit for the extra WS2007 testing this year.
The end result is that Windows Vista SP1 will have the same stability, security, and reliability as a server OS. This cannot be understated: Microsoft has never had server reliability on the desktop before. Windows Server 2003 has been a rock-solid OS from day one, and the number of vulnerabilities have been far fewer than previous releases. Since Windows Vista started from that codebase, you already have a really stable OS. But to have the same bits running on both desktops and servers can only mean good things for consumers moving forward.
So while it's the first time in Microsoft's history that the first Service Pack has come out the same calendar year as the first release, don't take it to mean that Vista is more buggy or less stable than it should be. It just means that the Vista will get to reap the benefits of the additional Server testing that is going on as we speak. Which is why I said earlier that if you want to still have an impact on Vista after RTM, get on the Longhorn Server beta."
Source: http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/robert/archive/2007/01/22/what-s-the-deal-with-vista-sp1.aspx - MacGeekGuy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Man, even as a Mac geek I hate Mac OS spam. Yes, it's a great OS but has little to do with the article. And yes, as the reply said Apple is constantly patching OS X - as they should - and as MS should... Service pack? Yee haw! If they just sat around not addressing issues (any release will always have outstanding issues, it's the nature of the beast), that would make them much lamer for not issuing an update... regardless whether it's Microsoft or Apple, Inc.
- bblades, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26Longhorn was the original codename for the project. What the original poster means is that the original OS pretty much got scrapped because it was too involved and wouldnt have included as much legacy compatibility. The Vista that is actually coming out is the reworked "Longhorn" project, which really is based more off of XP. Vista has been called a bridge to the next OS, which would be closer to the Longhorn concept
- GliTCH82, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25That "regressed usability from its predecessor" link goes to an article that's total garbage. Here's a breakdown:
Reason 1: I debunked it on my machine. The dropdown list has local folders listed, AND, the websites that do show up work too (they even open up in my favorite browser, Firefox). Plus, he didn't even mention the awesome breadcrumb navigation!
Reason 2: He's right on this one. Typing C: in the start menu does run an application. However, if you add just one more character, a backslash, it opens up the C drive. How *****' lazy could you possibly be? Since you can't have slashes in file or folder names, navigating like that is flawless.
Reason 3: All he had to do was click "Manage network connections" on the left and he would have found what he was lookin for. Conclusion: Dumbass.
Reason 4: By default, Vista DOES search inside files for everything that's indexed. It's recommended that if you've got some other document folder that you want to search for strings WITHIN a file in that folder, that you add it to your indexing options. But, if your computer runs on steroids like mine does, you can change your search options to search within ALL non-indexed files as well. Too bad, once again, he's a dumbass and couldn't figure it out. Also, he has the search window sized really small so he didn't even get to see the other search options.
Reason 5: "Sure they have made the interface look cooler, a snazzy progress bar here and there. What about a robust copy? I absolutely hate it when my 5000 file copy gets killed half way through because 1 single file can't be opened. Or better yet, how about when I start a copy to a remote file share that is not responding - and all of explorer locks up. Yes it still does this in Vista."
Uhh, I have no idea what he's talking about. If a file is locked or inaccessible, Vista prompts me to skip it, and even better, skip ALL the ones it can't copy.
If there are duplicates it will even give you an option to copy and rename it to something else. So clearly, once again, DUMBASS.
FUD, FUD, FUD, with a little bit (or a lot) of idiot spread in there somewhere. Bottom line: If you don't wanna switch, then ***** don't!
P.S. Here's the article: http://www.intelliadmin.com/blog/2007/01/5-sins-of-vista.html - foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Why link to /.?
- kirupa, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Vista is actually based on the Windows Server 2003 codebase instead of XP's codebase.
- Rethcir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Hey digger, you clearly have no understanding of Software Engineering.
Practically EVERY (professional) program you install has been regression tested. The reason companies hire these sprawling QA teams and seek beta testers is to make sure that while fixing one problem, something else didn't get broken. Which actually happens a lot simply due to the nature of coding in a team.
This article and its yellow journalism-ass title is clearly Slashdot (which should know better) spinning their Anti-MS agenda. Back me up here guys! - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14It's obvious that the second they finish Vista, they'd be working on the Service Pack. It's not like they sit around not doing anything.
- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I believe when you drop Vista from a high altitude, there may be issues upon impact. Testing is under way.
- baxtermaddux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10what does High Impact mean?
- mugenkeiji, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Learn to parse and understand the English language, you illiterate nerds. In that sentence, 'high impact issues' is an example of ejusdem generis. It does not imply that there are existing high impact issues; it merely indicates that the person selected will work on 'regressions ... security [and] deployment blockers', all of which are considerd 'high impact issues', and whatever other, presently unspecified, things that might come to be regarded as a high impact issue. It is a statement of the class of things that the person will work on.
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7fiorenza,
Proof can be found all over the MSDN Channel9 blog. If you want to know, go look. Shouldn't take you too long. - qcfb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I am getting seriously tired of this childish *****. I am tired of people attacking Microsoft for everything. Honestly, I think it is a good thing that MS is putting out a service pack this quickly it means they are improving their product and whatever you think of the product you shouldn't bad mouth a company for improving it.
If you want to bad mouth Windows then attack some real issue instead of this phantom of a problem. There are plenty of real issues with MS. You do not need to invent reasons to switch to Linux or OSX. I switched to Linux because of the costs of upgrading to Vista and my general displeasure with Windows, I didn't do it because of some ***** like "they're releasing SP1 so quickly omg" - kmartshopper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Information regarding Vista's ties to the Windows Server 2003 codebase is also available on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Development - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It happens on the Mac too to a lesser degree. Every complex software project ends up shipping with flaws that, under the right circumstances, could be considered "high impact issues" Luckily for us OSX users, Apple tends to focus on more incremental updates. You won't see 5+ years of untested code in 10.5, you'll see maybe 18 months of code that can be pretty throughly tested before it ships but there WILL be some serious bugs in there. 10.4 had a couple major issues. Remember dashboard widget's installing without user interaction? DMG images auto-executing on download? These were pretty serious issues.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8[quote]because they are preaching to the choir on Digg[/quote]
Why do you Microsofties keep saying this when you know that the majority of Diggers use Windows? That fact ought to tell you what people really think of Windows.
FYI I'm a Windows user and I frequently bash MS (as many have probably noticed). I've been using Windows since Win 3.0 and it has almost always been a disappointment. The only reason I have to use Windows is because it is the standard which we must adhere to. I wish we had a choice of operating systems in this world! Don't tell me that Linux is ready for the desktop, and don't tell me that using Apple's proprietary hardware is any better than being tied to MS, even if OS X may or may not be significantly better than Windows.
There just isn't any choice of operating systems for the majority of users today, that reason alone is why we must fight MS. - SSCrow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I can't wait to see how their Service Pack prevents damage from High altitudes.
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Did you happen to use OS X 10.0 or 10.1, OBKenobi? Both releases were arguably two huge giant flaws. It wasn't until 10.2 was released that OS X began to come up to what could be considered release quality.
I had a B&W G3 at the time, and the transition from OS9 wasn't fun. Classic emulation was crap, the OS and native apps were downright ugly with the pinstripe theme, and it was just generally bug-ridden and unstable. It was still a joy to use, but nevertheless, it was a bad couple of major revisions. - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10@7of7: You're the KING of vauge, ambiguous, inaccurate, slanderous one-liners on Linux.
Maybe you can give Nekko17 some tips. - baxtermaddux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5th rapture is near? everyone is sleeping with everyone
- daverp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I love when some on take a email out of context and drums it up to be something it's not. They are called feature gaps, sure there are going to be a few "deal breakers" missing for some people / firms but they are going to be very specialized things.
I love my mac and just about everything apple but why does every apple fan feel we need to bash Microsoft. Let it go already. - venom8599, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@giloron
To get it to show a backslash you put in two of them. So "\\" will show as "\". That's how you do C:\ on Digg. - daverp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Next week? This has been silly for months now.
- jtherrien, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Please, just leave the internet.
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4dragonmantank, (I have no idea why this didn't show as a reply)
You've been able to create bootable slipstreamed Windows CDs since Win2k. You just integrate the service pack into a copy of the CD directory structure, then burn it to a CD with the appropriate boot block, which is even supplied on MS' site. - Awesomedude, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Like gaming ;)
- kutza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3At least M$ updates are free...
Mac users gotta love paying by the bug in their software :D. - TechCF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yep,
My C-Media based soundcard doesn't work at all in Vista x64 (beta drivers are not signed). Two of my web cams doesn't work. My nForce4 sound card only outputs stereo. Ping in games is much higher (probably due to new networking + firewalling).
On the positive side: New reworked sound hardware administration, new good installer, faster UI and boot. I will not go back to XP, but instead spam hardware manufacturers about drivers (like I usually do about Linux) - AReallyGoodName, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5People try to make something better glitch but their efforts are undermined.
They try to include MS Office file support in OpenOffice but Microsoft still won't open up their document formats. They try to support Windows API calls in Wine for backwards compatibility, but Microsoft left a lot of the API completley undocumented.
The fact is people don't choose, they are simply locked in. - b1gg3r, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8RTFA.
- giloron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4About number 2:
Since he is too lazy to type the third character in C: [backslash], why doesn't he save himself some effort and take it down to 1 character.
All you need it a [backslash] It even cuts out the shift to get the :
ps, how do you get dig to show a backslash? - geekitechture, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's not just the nature of coding in teams that causes one thing to break whenever another gets fixed; it's the nature of coding itself. Firefox has grappled with that issue for years over their so-called memory leak, which isn't a memory leak at all; in order to fix it, other memory issues inevitably surface, which is why the issue remains to this day. Most software has bugs even when carefully coded by a single person, and fixing those bugs almost always creates another set of bugs that must be tackled.
- lonnieh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sounds like you've a EULA or six
- HonoredMule, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Aww...see now you ruined our fun by breaking the FUD.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Good question. Slashdot just has a short description and a link to the actual article. There's almost no advantage of posting a link to Slashdot over the actual article.
- pt4117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I know XP would crap out on your copy mid copy if it ran into a problem, but I can't believe this guy is doing such huge copy jobs, and doesn't open the command prompt and use xcopy. Xcopy with the C flag continues copying if it runs into a problem.
- xister, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Speaking of FUD, has anyone here ever done a wiki search on it?
FUD may refer to:
* Fear, uncertainty and doubt, a marketing strategy
* FUD (food) a Mexican brand of cold cuts and hot dogs
* Fud, a Scottish colloquialism for vagina
* Elmer Fudd, a Warner Brothers cartoon character
Oh, those wacky Scots... - kutza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I see no difference in the media I already have, and I can do a lot more with third party apps than I could EVER do on my apples.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Buried as inaccurate, Microsoft has "admitted" no such thing, and the idea that they have comes from obviously deliberate misinterpretation of the MS quote.
Don't FUD, people. - Kratos76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I thought they had issues with the "High Impact" visual theme!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3High impact issues?
Like 64 bit drivers that don't install if they're unapproved/unsigned by Microsoft? Having to press F8 each time the OS starts to get my soundcard to work because of drivers being restricted from kernel access due to DRM (nonsigned drivers)? And forget about those advanced Non-OS audio driver models for sound mixing....
Of course, they can deprecate support for nonsigned/unapproved drivers at any time.
POOF! Your $300 sound card is worthless. - dietfluffy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1intelligent discussion
- kutza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And a translation for those who don't speak 'bloated moron', he said they'll only/mainly work on issues that people who are new to Vista can't figure out.
- 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5You've just proved my point that anti Microsoft Diggers need not backup their statements because those who question them will simply be Dugg down.
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm glad to hear SP1 is scheduled for this year...it means that lots of admins will wait at least that long to switch, which means we won't have to either til then :D
- zoziw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Next week at this time this will all seem silly.
- vikzzzz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What I don't quite get is why a *new OS* is such a big deal.
What matters most for me is the software I use. I have pretty much trained myself to be productive using OSS software, which I can find on all the OSes I probably would ever care for.
As long as I can use eclipse, GIMP, InkScape, OOo, Firefox, Thunderbird, cvs/svn and Putty/ssh, I am fine. There are other software that I use like media players and what not, but they are not critical compared to the above list.
As a result, I can do my work on Windows, Linux for sure, and most likely on a Mac (don't have a Mac so don't know for sure)
So if Vista can run all of the above, then I have no problems with it, but for now, Ubuntu has been serving me well for my needs. No compelling reason to move away from my current environment tho. - majinboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ mugenkeiji
my head hurts after reading that.... - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1[quote]Or, instead of fighting MS, you could put your 1337 h4x0r sk1llz to use and make something better [/quote]
I didn't have rich parents like Bill Gates.
But your comment is silly and there is no reason to take the time to answer it seriously. You wouldn't care anyway, troll. -
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