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- Sonic_Molson, on 10/12/2007, -6/+102That made no sense.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+52IMO, borrowing an XP disc from a friend isn't piracy. If you use Windows without purchasing a product key, that is piracy. The product key (license) is really what you're paying for.
- sputnike, on 10/12/2007, -9/+41Once, I called Microsoft Customer Support to get an Activation Key, and when the indian woman asked me what serial I was using I told her (it was from ms**acks.com and highly used), and she said "I'm having some trouble getting that key authenticated, I will renew it for you with no extra charge" and she gave me a brand new, never used key for free haha :)
- shahruz84, on 12/17/2008, -4/+33Wait... you can install any Vista version from the DVD? so if i buy the Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade, and find the right cracks, I can have a Fresh Install of Windows Vista Ultimate??????
- daveking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Agreed, it is the license that matters, not the CD. Although I am rather shocked that customer service recommended a crack.
Is it just me or does it seem like it should just let you enter your XP or 2000 CD key upon install in addition to the Vista CD key? - Bradl3y, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Combining all versions of vista into one disc is a smart move. It is useful for technicians, they can have one disc to use to reinstall windows on a computer running any version of vista using the CD that is on the side of most prebuilt computers.
Why would a pirate that knows how to crack vista buy home basic just to install ultimate and crack it, when it is just as easy if not easier to download vista and crack it? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+33"before full testing has been completed"
Vista was in Beta for like 3 years.. - MagicBobert, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22@maddpaky
Yep! Microsoft made a smart move there! - Icecold54, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25Yeah, it basically just stops the count down timer forever (or until M$ patches it). There are many different ones around more commonly known as 'timestopper' instead of "timerlock"...
- scrag10, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19People aren't digging this because they hate Microsoft, but because they didn't have good service and they weren't train well to help him and suggested illegal help.
The Hackers should get paid, I think. - joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20mmzplanet, you are a freaking moron, we're not talking about apple here who have to create an OS that runs on the exact same hardware and uses the exact same drivers, we're talking about literally hundreds of millions of hardware combinations that can be created so that one computer is not representative of the rest
- sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -12/+27Not to defend MS, but just devs in general...
I can imagine that it is a bit harder to catch every flaw when you deploy something on as large a scale as Windows. - rmxz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19@LikwidFlux: "releasing software...before full testing has been completed is becoming the standard?"
For whom. Some companies always operated that way. Others never did.
As much as people like to rag on Vista, it isn't much buggier than, say, Windows 3.1 was.
And VXWorks and Solaris and the old SunOS's and old Unixes would never even go to beta with bugs like those even back in the Win3.1 days.
And it's not really Microsoft's fault - it's the market they sell to. Their whole business model is selling to people who care more about the latest pretty graphics games than a solid OS. I think their entire success can be traced to the fact that they were the first company that realized that the risk/reward equation favored time-to-market instead of security or stability in that market. Businesses then started using the (insecure, unstable compared to alternatives) because they were familiar with it from their game systems at home.
The only thing that surprises me is that people are still surprised when this happens. - Yazilliclick, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22Boy that story is oh so believable and comes with so much evidence...
In reality the easiest way is to do the fresh install with the upgrade copy, then run the installer again from in vista and choose upgrade (ie. upgrade vista to itself). Then you can activate it with an upgrade key. - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18thanks icecold54, I'll check it ou...nevermind.
- ChefGroovy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Story doesn't sound like BS.
I contacted Microsoft sales because I needed 25 copies of Windows 98 or 95c for an assembly line I was setting up (the line was to test USB printers and needed Windows to verify the usb recognized). Anyways, I finally got to a higher level salesperson at Microsoft, he said they don't sell or support windows 98 and to just download a copy and install it using one of the many pirated cd keys.
I even saved the recorded the conversation, in case they stormed the doors :) - CrucifiedEgo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14@clickwir
Obviously, around here, you have to state the obious, because people believe everything they read.
@broomett
No. You have no idea the volume of support requests that are caused by shoddy microsoft software. Outlook, OE, and exchange can die in a fire and then rot for a few years before being munched up into dog food. Also, and this is coming from personal experience/rant: Try to keep a windows shared hosting server up for a week without needing a reboot or some sort of attention paid to it. Then notice that it's been 6 months since you've had to do anything to any of your linux hosts, and tell me that Windows is good software. - cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I don't believe it.
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14You snail-skulled little twit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.
- Miche1987, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Uh...why the hell is every comment (except 6 of them) being dugg down...?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13You can install Vista without a product key, and select any version of it.. (The product key is what makes the difference between an upgrade and a full version copy) Once installed without the key, put the Vista disc back in, and do an upgrade. Install Vista to Vista. It works perfectly.
- Sonizel, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15TimerLock
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/02/07/timerlock-automated-batch-install-script-for-timerstop-driver-v2a-and-windows-vista-activation-2099-crack/ - 1iProd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11ANGRY TEXT IS ANGRY
Hey, I like Mac too, but damn, way to flip out. - Continuum, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10ohh, listen to all those offical development methods! I think someone just got an A- on that Software Engineering midterm coming up!
Go get 'em Tiger! - HanSolo69, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7at first i had no idea what this story was referring to because i thought Microsoft was abbreviated with a $.
- aussieNickuss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Oh well.......if you ever get caught using a pirated copy of windows, just say that tech support told you to.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Of course, there really is no proof that this ACTUALLY happened. So what is to stop me from claimg to have called Apple support and that they told me to get it to work, I would have to kill some chocolate babies? True story. They are racist.
- kikkomang, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9what the *****? microsoft could care less on what people from digg say about their products.
- PuppadogServant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@strictnein - wow... I bow to you, everyone else go home.
- sefnerr, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9IF this story is true, I would shake the hand of the MS phone support for offering an alternative solution. Most phone support are mindless, script-reading, zombies.
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11What does TimerLock do? fool Vista so its constantly within the 30 day trial date?
- KyferEz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Probably b/c there's a LOT of paid MS diggers on this one. It's likely embarrassing for them...
- 1iProd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6That was very nice, strictnein, if not too mean.
- misterjangles, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7If you have a server that isn't stable, i think it says more about you than the OS. Perhaps your comment could be rephrased as "I know how to keep a linux server stable moreso than I know how to keep a Windows server stable"
- clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10"Buried. I despise MS just as much as the next guy(a stint in tech support of any time will teach you that) but there's just no way this would happen, ever."
Actually, yes, it did happen and yes it has happened before. Many people have gotten freebies from them
"And if it did, it's 100% not sanctioned by microsoft, and the rep should lose his job."
No really? Wow, thanks for letting us know. - DaGeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have but one question. Why do we need to "upgrade" to Vista anyway? And don't knee jerk me on this please. I am not hanging this out as flame bait. I personally cannot think of a single compelling reason to switch..
- TejanoRey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8um... I thought this was like common knowledge... Call MS and tell em that for some reason your code (that you claim it came with your purchased Windows XP CD) doesn't work..and they ALWAYS give you a new one.. thats how I did Windows 2k and Windows Xp PRO...
- Miche1987, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11More specifically, when you do the first fresh-install, do NOT put in the product key. Then you can upgrade Vista to Vista via product key.
If this guy would've been smart enough to search "vista upgrade workaround", he wouldn't have had to deal with this tech support, and we wouldn't have had to deal with this...post. - wrzhydr, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9@ mmzplanet
You do realize that Vista is on a large scale due to the fact that it has more uses other than playing Solitaire correct? I think that is what he's referring to. The fact that people use it for so many things makes it harder to catch every bug there is. BTW, I don't see you selling a working OS now, do I? - Yazilliclick, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Well apparently he does, he was just complaining that it was 'sluggish' on his machine after upgrading from XP. Of course we have no idea what sort of options he had turned on in Vista, what he was running etc... And upgrading from an older OS is pretty much never the best route for performance...
- NetiNeti, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4And so intuitive too!
- MattH, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Do people still use legit versions of windows
http://t-line.net.ua/antiwpa/ - hellotyler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Wow, using vista sounds so lame. If anyone from Apple tried to give me a line of ***** like that I'd never use Os X again. What a pain in the ass. Installing your Os should be a simple click-by-click procedure, and has never been a problem with me for Os X or Ubuntu or even windows XP on friends computers. You put millions and millions of dollars into a product, and it won't even install correctly ? What a crock of *****.
- mikedpirone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Why doesn't he just do an upgrade install over his existing vista install and activate it? Its a pretty well known workaround to get a full install off a Vista upgrade disc.
- inkhead, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4lol all the userhandles of the people who dugg me down (in less than 3 second -11) of them at least 5 are friends of mine who work at microsoft! It's funny because I re-registered with digg, after i changed domains and didn't have access to retrieve my password, so my colleges who work at MS no longer know my digg handle lol, it's fun for me because I can post freely without hearing about it later.
LOL I'm going to ask my friends at MS if I see any of them this weekend if any of this is possible, if so, I"m disgusted! - TheWriteGuy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Okay, but in the end he didn't tell us: Did Vista work faster on his computer as a full install?
- formatreinstall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Actually he is BSing on one point for sure: in the article he claims he booted from the DVD, entered his key, and chose "Fresh Install". Well, forgiving the fact that the option isn't actually called Fresh Install, the ONLY way to install Vista by booting from the DVD and wiping the drive is either:
a) do not enter a key, then CONFIRM that you don't want to enter a key, THEN select the version of Vista that you want to install, then confirm THAT setting too
b) use a Vista 64-bit DVD and have a working copy of Windows XP or Vista installed on the drive
or c) enter a Full Version (not upgrade) product key when booting from DVD
He almost certainly installed using option a) because he says he bought the upgrade, and it isn't 64-bit because that DVD isn't included in any retail package except Ultimate. Plus, the old "borrow a disk" thing doesn't work with Vista like it did with XP - you can't just insert the CD and format/install with an upgrade disc (a.k.a. qualifying media). Upgrade keys will ONLY work if run from an activated Windows XP install.
If he had actually entered his upgrade product key when booting from the DVD, setup would have halted and prompted him to run setup from within windows.
Since he couldn't even blog what he did accurately, I would assume he didn't give support a very accurate description of his issue either. No idea whether anyone told him to crack his OS, and obviously if they did that is bery bery bad, but honestly the guy must have known he was doing a keyless install - he either can't read/follow directions, or wanted to spam a new product key out of MS. - KyferEz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yes, he did tell us, but it wasn't at the end. It was just before "Here comes the fun part".
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"Hooray !!! I have a Vista laptop that actually performs... sorta better than before, but it's still not as fast as XP Pro was, but it's OK." - tlm2021, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@rmxz: Making a point by comparing Vista to 3.1, whose side are you on?
- ChasermagForums, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Clean install of Vista with upgrade disc: http://www.dailytech.com/Workaround+Discovered+For+Clean+Install+With+Vista+Upgrade+DVDs/article5932.htm
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