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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I have a valid copy of Windows XP Pro (OEM version) but my OEM CD didn't have a restore function (well, it did.. but only if it wiped the entire HD first. Something I can't do.).. so I had to use a pirated retail version, of which my CD key wouldn't work with. So.. I can't use Windows Genuine sh*t.
Patching Instructions for those Not running a Genuine Copy of Windows XP:
1) Download the patched iecustom.dll http://www.jcxp.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=2758iecustom.rar ( 68.32k )
2) Using a program like WinRAR, extract the contents of IE7-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe to a random temporary directory
3) Open up the new temp dir and browse to the "update" folder
4) Replace iecustom.dll with our Patched version
5) Now, run update.exe, NOT iesetup.exe
You can also patch the DLL yourself if you're good with hex editors. http://www.extended64.com/blogs/rafael/archive/2005/07/28/1051.aspx
Enjoy.
Josh - br0ken1128, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10"Why are people digging this? IE users perhaps?"
Because it's tech news that's important, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean others won't want to hear about it.
I work in the tech industry, part of what I do is web design and support, I'm VERY interested in knowing what goes on in the browser world... DUGG - br0ken1128, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6YES THERE IS AN UNINSTALL... Before that rumor gets out of hand..
However.. it's not shown by default, in "Add/Remove programs" check the box "show updates" and it will appear in the list :) - SsbFalcon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Now for an opinion from a diehard firefox fan, despite it's problems, I'll always use it...
Tab features: Works well, as expected. Basic layout is like firefox except for the lack of menu bar, which interestingly is Microsoft's proposed future UI suggestion...
Memory Usage: Very little even with many tabs open as opposed to firefox. A bit less that opera it seems. But of course, we have to remember that it uses stuff that's already loaded when you boot windows, so you could consider that as well, but regardless... Firefox has a major memory leak problem that makes Windows Server's memory leak seem minor.
Speed: IE and firefox IMO has been on relatively the same level performance wise and still can't compete with Opera. IE 7 seems to work a bit faster than before.
Quick Tabs feature: A nice feature, I give them that. Shows thumbnails of all the tabs you have open. I like it, and hope firefox adopts that in the future (or at least an extension)
Choice of Default Search Engine: I have to give MS a +1 for this reason: Google is set to default rather than MSN.
Popup blocking: Passed all the same tests that firefox did, with the exception of the Floating banner test, which firefox passed half way...
Overall, it's decent browser, and if I'm in the computer lab at school and happen to walk up to one of the machines that don't have firefox installed, I won't cringe when using this browser.
Microsoft has finally learned something. For the benifit of many, let's hope they learn some more...
I don't think we should hate Microsoft just because. Those who do are obviously not in touch with the reasons we dislike many of Microsoft's moves. For example, I cannot find another IDE as good as Microsoft Visual Studio .Net (I don't use the .net part of it, just the C++), yet, IE6 is horrible, Microsoft Project is the most painful thing to use, and Office is a mixed bag of decent (Word/Excell), to clunky (Outlook). Yeah, Windows has issues, but it's issues are what linux does well, and Linux's issues are oftentimes what Microsoft does right. I'm lazy, and while I use linux quite a bit, I really hate it when I have to chase after so many dependencies and compile many of them since my distro isn't supported. That's why I'm using Suse Open Source now. Much easier to manage, and more things just work... Especially wireless...
Also, just because it's not opensource doesn't mean it's not good. Here's the worst part, 80% of people who say they only use open source stuff don't even know a programming language, or if they do, would even bother to modify the code at all, much less look at it. Gimp is not better than Photoshop and will never be unless photoshop stops development. That simple. - kevinneill, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Beta 1 was 1000 times better than Fire Fox, none of the memory problems and my favorites never locked up. Beta 2 has more features and looks even sweeter I hope it runs as well as Beta 1.
- ianashley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Hurt Firefox? Unless they plan on replicating the dozen or so Firefox plugins that I have installed (FlashGot, NoScript, IE View, Web Developer, Color Picker, etc) there's no way I'd even consider switching back. To me, the Firefox extensions are almost as valuable as the browser itself.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3 * Extract IE7B2P-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe to a temporary folder. I suggest winrar.
* Working within' the extracted directory, delete the following:
o update (folder)
o install.ins
o spmsg.dll
o spuninst.exe
o spupdsvc.exe
* Create a blank text file within' the directory and rename it to "iexplore.exe.local"
* Move the directory to a location in which you want to store the now standalone version of Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 (eg. My Documents).
* Execute iexplore.exe.
there you go, there's your workaround - br0ken1128, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3According to the official blog THEY CORRECTED THE ALPHA TRANSPARENCY IN PNG ;)
- petknep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There is an uninstall, you have to click the box that says "Show Updates" in Add/Remove Programs. The leaked version is not equal to the beta 2 preview.
- Kellan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Please... please... please for the love of god and everything holy... please tell me that somewhere in the bloated bowels of this new version of Explorer there is proper support for PNGs and alpha transparency that other browsers have had since the dark ages."
It isn't bloated. It uses less memory than IE6 in my experience.
IE7 really rocks. - NeilM, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It's news. That is why we're digging it.
- br0ken1128, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well I can say that they fixed a lot since Beta 2 (leaked) .. the pages that rendered funky before, render correctly now (digg was one of them) .
I love the font smoothing and everything as well..
FireFox is a great browser folks, but I do like how quickly IE loads and how light weight it feels, even with all the new features.
I know the evilness behind why it loads quickly, but from a user experience standpoint, it helps them. - dr_rock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Poster: There is no capital 7 ...
- autumnriver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2IE 7 is very primitive compared to FF. The little close boxes disappear on the tabs once you have opened enough to fill the space. There is no way to force links or bookmarks to open in tabs. The only way seems to be to right click a link. No ability to change the interface, theme, or much of anything. Even the fonts are default only. The only thing it has going for it is the bootup speed, which FF users know is faster because it's integrated into Windows. Yes, it's a little better than IE6, but years behind Firefox.
- jason7655, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Here's your CSS questions answered...partially
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/445242.aspx - cmorrell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2To build a stand-alone version for testing (one that will run alongside other versions of MSIE):
1. Extract the contents to IE7B2P-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe to a new directory (this can be done with something like WinRAR--just right-click and extract files)
2. Create a blank text file and rename it iexplore.exe.local
Now ieexplore.exe will run from this directory (I put it in Program Files under Internet ExplorerVersion 7.0b2 and then created a shortcut in my start menu to convenience sake).
Enjoy. - Hortnon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"IE is still around? "
Clever. Because 90% of the market means it's fading into obscurity.
Dugg. Because I have used both IE and Firefox, and prefer IE.
And because it's legitimate tech news. :P - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2*cough* turn on the validation plugin in IE6 *cough*
Explain further, please - jphillips59, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Screenshots for people who don't want to install it.
http://windowsconnected.com/photos/internet_explorer_7_-_beta2_preview/default.aspx - br0ken1128, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"yeah i know eh..........how can we turn off that LCD text optimizer *****?"
It's in the advanced internet options, it's cleartext, uncheck it
Does anyone actually look for these options before they ask? - smedrick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I checked out the leaked beta 2 yesterday and from what I can tell so far, the CSS support is pretty damn good. Hell, all the websites I visited even looked better then they do on Firefox.
- kyote, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree about FF and the memory leak. i regulary have to close and restart the browser to free up the memory. i shouldn't have to do that.
- texizboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hey how funny is this? Try going to beta.msn.com. Their own browser can't even display their own page properly.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2HOW TO GET PAST GENUINE VALIDATION
There is a program called Trixie, which is basically Greasemonkey for IE. It allows you to apply javascript to websites. Download it from here: http://www.bhelpuri.net/Trixie/Trixie.htm Create a javascript file with with code from here: http://userscripts.org/scripts/source/1923.user.js (should be at the top, also in the comments section) or google search for it. Save the javascript file to the appropriate directory once you've installed trixie, and bye bye validation - skips right over it. - zizzybaloobah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Memory Leak problems in Firefox 1.5? Try 1.5.0.1 available at:
http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?product=firefox-1.5.0.1rc1&os=win&lang=en-US
I've been using about a week now, and it seems to have solved my browser performance issues.
Note: some extensions are not compatible with this build.
For a description:
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/qa/archives/2006/01/firefox_rc1_candidate_availabl.html - hexix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@wesmoc -
You're right, Microsoft does not make money off IE. It also does not help to sell their operating system. The reason Microsoft goes out of their way to keep people on IE is because they are terrified in losing their platform.
What keeps people using Windows? Some like Windows and would rather use it over Linux or OS X. Many others are locked in because the applications they need are not available for other operating systems. It is too costly for companies to hire developers to port their applications because the return would not be great enough due to the small amount of people using other platforms.
Microsoft smartly saw the opportunity for the web to become a platform. We're really starting to see this take off now, but Netscape and Microsoft both saw the opportunity back in the 90s. Microsoft immediately came out with a browser, and came up with ActiveX to rival java. Why? Cause ActiveX is just an embedded Windows program. It was their way to extend their platform to the web. ActiveX does not work on Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, Mac OS 9, Mac OS X, or anything else other than Windows.
Do you think it's by accident that it is so hard to code CSS/DHTML in multiple web browsers? Microsoft has no interest in losing their platform monopoly. - manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Firefox's memory leak is a rather large problem, but fixing it is nontrivial - here's hoping it's fixed in 2.0 (the beta is due out by this summer, isn't it?). The degree to which it affects computers seems to vary, though - it takes me a good hour of regular surfing/research to break 80 MB of memory, but it's almost instantaneous on other people's systems. Ah well - tis a shame.
That aside, I haven't regularly used IE in years - I was a Netscape user, then an Opera user, and now a Firefox user. If these betas are indicators of the final product (tried the leaked version, and I had no functional problems - I was just underwhelmed), then there is virtually NO innovation in this edition of IE. There is nothing that hasn't been present in one of my other preferred browsers for generations now, and that is the ultimate disappointment. For a market leader, I'd expect more - this feels much like Microsoft coming late to the party as far as tabs and CSS rendering (which Gecko and Opera still handle better, if Acid2 is any indication). They also are not supporting SVG (as of yet), which I believe will become very important in the next generation of web apps.
Ah well. At least it means that end users that don't know anything about computers (and don't have a computer-literate friend pushing Firefox or Opera on them) will have a slightly better browsing experience out of the box come Vista. I still think that for the ultimate personalized browsing experience, nothing beats Firefox, and if you don't like Firefox (for the memory leak, the rendering speed, or you're just that against trends), then stick with Opera - the original tabbed browser. - theokayplus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"alpha transparency PNG is now supported in Internet Explorer 7", from
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/devwebchecklist.mspx - inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> but hey, cut ms some slack, for it is a beta...
Correct, but this beta should have been out years ago. If you've ever done cross-platform, cross-browser Web development, you know what a nightmare IE 6 is. I'm just hoping they have proper CSS support and have stomped some of the rendering bugs that don't affect other browsers. - staticten, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Not so cool that it hurts my eyes reading the text."
yeah i know eh..........how can we turn off that LCD text optimizer *****? - inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> The market share of IE is still how much? like 80% ?
> So 80% users seems to love their IE6...
But it's that 20% who passionately care about their browsing experience and how well browsers work--which is why they don't use IE. I'd bet that the 80% is comprised mostly of users who just use whatever is installed on their machine when they buy it. I would bet they don't "love their IE6." It's just what's there to use.
If every user out there, casual and hardcore, had to actively test and pick from the available browsers, then my bet would be that IE wouldn't appear to be so well loved. - halc5s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Beta 2 PREVIEW, the real Beat 2 will be released in April
- Moysh007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I dont like that the "file..edit..view" menu cant be placed at top... any ideas i tried dragging it but it wont let the address bar go anywhere else....
- burnerz, on 08/28/2008, -0/+1Very promising, I use firefox at the moment but am not a fanboy, so if IE8 works quicker for me I will use it.
- c0dek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My favorite new feature was the nifty way that, after installing and rebooting, my computer was completely unable to access the internet at all, IE or FF. Playing a hunch, I uninstalled IE7B2 and woojow - hello internet!
Gotta hand it to them, that's one feature FF never thought of... - manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@digger_twit
There is a Firefox extension called Foxpose you should try out.
I personally prefer Tab Preview for checking out my available tabs. - theantidote, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"currently no browser passes the acid css test, idiot. Even in Opera 8 it's crooked."
Currently Safari passes the acid css test, idiot. Even on Digg it's been posted: http://digg.com/apple/Safaris_passes_Acid_2_compatibility_test_before_IE,_Firefox_and_Opera - Jarrod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you're running IE7 give the old Acid Test a spin for fun-
http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html - firehydra2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ugghhh...This was NOT worth a restart.
CSS capabilities improved a little bit, but for some reason got worse in other websites, The pop up blocker still sucks, some of the features and interfaces have been distorted, and the cpu usage is terrible. And the whole thing was a rip off of everything else.
Estupido! - ph3rny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I dugg it...
I hate it...
I got so dizzy I almost threw up...
I am definately sticking to firefox. - dknighton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Anyone else having a problem installing on win64 bit edition?"
Uh...duh! Right from the first page of the linked site:
"Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview will only run on Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) systems, but will ultimately be available for Windows Vista, Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, and Windows Server 2003." - mfearby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's all this nonsense about Firefox's memory leaks? I use 1.5 and I don't have a problem. Mind you, I don't have any bleeding-edge plug-ins installed. The only times I've ever had a memory leak in Firefox is when I've installed an unsigned plug-in that probably wasn't developed too well.
IE7's interface is just horrible. There is no way that I could ever get used to having the address bar appear on top of the menu bar (which I have to enable myself). And, although it's a beta, not being able to load external hyperlinks in a new tab, rather than a new browser window, is really annoying.
Oh yeah, the "Favorites Center" really sucks, too. That's what a Favorites/Bookmarks menu on the menu bar is for. Not being able to resize this little gem is also a really stupid idea.
Having to go to Microsoft's web site just to add Google as the search facility at the top-right is a bit sneaky. No doubt they're tracking the number of users that switch away from MSN, and forcing us to have that search box at the top is annoying, because I hate them! A simple hyperlink to Google on my links bar (which IE7 now forces you to have all the time) is quite sufficient, thanks! - Noky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Betas have previews now? Damn Google for diluting the term. :p"
That's what I'm saying. The evil of Google at work.
"What keeps people using Windows?"
Large amounts of supported software backed by companies we can sue. Not to mention you can only play games on Windows. Linux gaming is not for teh win. It's a Catch 22 really, they will only make software when the user base arrives and the user base will only arrive when the software is made. - anorris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"When I .. er.. someone.. tried the leaked Beta 2, it was all sorts of screwed up, it would randomly render pages funky. Entire sections of a site would be missing, you could then hit refresh and the page would render correctly, sometimes you'd have to refresh the page 5 or 6 times."
Well, I've had this in IE6 actually... - JeremyCade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Updated: Running IE7 Alongside IE 6
Check this link out:
http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2005/12/28/434132.aspx
:)
Oh.. And people are digging this because it's relevant to people.. i.e. Developers - Saratoga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Many people who managed to get a hold of the leaked IE7 7.0.5299.0 build may be wondering whether they should uninstall it and switch to the official IE7 Beta2 Preview, which is version 7.0.5296.0. On the surface it seems like the 5299 build would be newer, and therefore better, but this is not the case:
http://blogs.msdn.com/tonyschr/archive/2006/01/31/520938.aspx - manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ssbfalcon as well
The firefox extension Foxpose does provide you with a thumbnail view of all of your tabs. It's pretty nifty, but I can't think of the URL right now. - DarkSideofMoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't understand their tabbed browsing design.
Why do they have the Print, Refresh, History, etc. buttons where the tabs are in their level? The actions take up nearly half the space that could have been used for tabs. In Safari and Firefox, I can easily have 10 or more tabs open, but with IE 7, it looks like you can only put 3 or 4 before things get outta hand.
Has anybody tried the beta and seen what it's like with a bunch of tabs open? And what if a user wants to disable tabbed browsing (in some twisted conservative browser mindset, I guess)? Is there just blank space in the middle of the browser? So far from what I've seen, the browser (although it claims to be streamlined and simple) is needlessly cluttered when compared to Safari or Firefox.
Anybody got any unbiased insight? (is that possible on Digg?) - spect3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nope. Wont install. Gives me a dll error then tells me that it wont install and to check my log files.
Log file says to contact microsoft.
Thanks but no thanks. Ill try it when it's out of beta. - RWVolkl158, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Seems to use a LOT more memory then Firefox 1.5 or Opera, even with the massive memory leak in FF... It's alright, but Opera is still my browser of choice.
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