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- cx0der, on 03/11/2009, -18/+84Apple is not there, because they don't give a ***** about all these.
When they can spend time making cheap goods and market them at the luxury market at a premium, who wants to waste time discussing? - bluehouse, on 03/11/2009, -5/+64Apple is not good at sharing... anything
- aserer511, on 03/11/2009, -10/+48of course apple is missing. this is a convention where the OS developers will talk about compatibility, standards, licnesing, etc, all areas in which apple has shown they *do not* want to move toward less restraint and more consumer/competitor access
- HelAom, on 03/11/2009, -14/+46Who cares about that fruit company
- bury, on 03/11/2009, -2/+32Just because they're not there, doesn't mean they weren't invited.
- rypic7, on 03/11/2009, -5/+27Xerox knows what happens when you talk about ideas around Apple.
- filldeviant, on 03/11/2009, -14/+33This gives me a spark of hope that MS will actually build a decent OS off of Linux. Also, not to spark an Apple/Microsoft debate, but Apple is... a bit fascist about their systems (You have to admit it. App Store, Locked Hardware, etc.), and I really doubt they're interested in hearing about a *GASP* open-source Operating System.
- NeoTechni, on 03/11/2009, -1/+18Not inviting MS would be a mistake
- HelAom, on 03/11/2009, -7/+22mm.. no... Linux is good, but fanboys like Astral just remind me of Mac fanboys
- superherofive, on 03/11/2009, -4/+18Burn!!!
edit: that burn was for the Apple stealing comment.
Apple uses the same strategy, you Apple-loving fruit! - Eldoo77, on 03/11/2009, -1/+15Everyone knows that Apple is not a real player in the enterprise/server OS market anyway. No big deal that they aren't there.
- superherofive, on 03/11/2009, -3/+15Idea stealing? Oh right just like OS X and Linux has done throughout the ages.
This isn't a MS exclusive practice, friend. - RedS0x, on 03/11/2009, -4/+16Even as a Mac fanboy, I'll have to defend Microsoft/Windows here.
Windows ISN'T BAD. There are loads of useful apps that you can't get for any other platform, and if you're smart/careful, you can keep your system clean.
Linux certainly has his own benefits and flaws, and as an Mac fanboy, I obviously think OS X is the best.
Linux, OS X, Windows, FreeBSD, etc. all have flaws and are all perfectly useable, IMO. I think it's silly to say that "Microsoft doesn't belong in a discussion about the future of operating systems, they are a failing company that sells HORRIBLE products"
Besides, look at the 360 and Zune. Both are successful products. Oh, and SongSmith. Eh, never mind that one. - PittPanthersFan, on 03/11/2009, -4/+15The hate is strong in these comments.
- sneaker98, on 03/11/2009, -0/+11Why is it that whenever I come across one of your comments, it's always foolish.
Are you reading this comment from me? You're doing so because it routed through multiple servers which are either running Linux or Solaris, and/or built by Sun (SPARC machines).
Educate yourself. - stix213, on 03/11/2009, -1/+11While I am a big Linux supporter, saying Microsoft is a "failing company" is like saying the sky is orange.
- darkened, on 03/11/2009, -5/+15@harlowsmonkeys, take off the fan boy hat now, if by measure them as in compare the price of the exact same parts in any other pc and see a markup of 30-40% more than the regular price in the "apple" computer. Then yes they are not cheap goods, they're overpriced regular goods.
- bury, on 03/11/2009, -0/+9If this results in even a little bit of the "best of both worlds" sort of collaboration, I say it's a win. Is there a real downside to this sort of discussion?
- thtroyer, on 03/11/2009, -1/+10Microsoft would be more likely to build an OS off of one of the BSDs (which I'm confident they won't). GNU/Linux and BSD are similar in design and the BSDs don't use the GPL. Microsoft can take BSD code and close it if they like -- like Apple did.
- Ymeg, on 03/11/2009, -11/+20Apple is a media company.
- spelunker, on 03/11/2009, -3/+11Anti-Apple fandom? Because that are all the comments I'm seeing.
- dotRoot, on 03/11/2009, -0/+7BSD, not Linux. There's a pretty big difference, though admittedly, I'm sure most people don't care.
- darkzealot89, on 03/11/2009, -4/+11You and I are both like guys who had this rich neighbor - Xerox - who left the door open all the time. And you go sneakin' in to steal a TV set. Only when you get there, you realize that I got there first. I got the loot, Steve! And you're yellin'? "That's not fair. I wanted to try to steal it first." You're too late.
- dannyfreeman, on 03/11/2009, -1/+8RTFA
A panel comprised of Jono Bacon (community manager at Ubuntu), James Bottomley (kernel developer at Novell), Joe Brockmeier (community manager at openSUSE), Dan Frye (VP of open systems development at IBM's Systems and Technology Group) and Karsten Wade (of the Fedora Project), will discuss community contributions to the OS movement. - sneaker98, on 03/11/2009, -5/+12You don't know enough to go there, XboxReview. Google PARC labs, and get a little history on the subject.
Essentially, everybody robbed Xerox. - adderx99, on 03/12/2009, -1/+7jez, its a summit involving conical, novel, MS, sun, intel, etc....
...and all anyone can talk about is apple. - MattBD, on 03/12/2009, -0/+6Linux may not be hugely popular on the desktop, but that doesn't mean it's not a popular OS. It's hugely popular as a server OS, and as an embedded OS. It's known to run on anything from wristwatches to supercomputers. So while not everyone may have used a Linux desktop, the chances are most people do use Linux every day in some form.
- mycoplasma, on 03/11/2009, -4/+10I'm guessing that the reason that Apple wasn't there is because their OS is primarily designed for consumers, while Linux, Solaris and Windows are widely used by businesses.
- JudgeDredd, on 03/11/2009, -0/+6Good work in deciphering the headline/summary.
- boogie606, on 03/11/2009, -1/+6this surprises you???
- sneaker98, on 03/11/2009, -3/+8You may hate the product they sell, but you can't dismiss a company whose operating systems run more than half the world's personal computers.
Don't be foolish. - hewfish, on 03/11/2009, -1/+6Emulating APIC BIOS is hardly a performance degradation. How about you do some real reading. http://www.osx86project.org/.
The APIC BIOS is EFI which is a new standard that heaven forbid, even Windows and Linux supports (in specific variations). The OSX installed on "PC's" as you would call them is the real OSX. In terms of hardware support. Most of the base hardware support is already rolled into OSX as it ships. The only thing missing from most PC's are specific drivers for hardware that is not "Apple" standard hardware.
EFI - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_I ... - rimantas, on 03/11/2009, -3/+8Nope, Apple is some company which happens to produce operating system calles OS X, which happens (in 10.5 incarnation) to be a flavor of UNIX.
- rakeshishere, on 03/11/2009, -3/+8The GSMA and 17 mobile operators plan to develop a universal charging solution and there is no sign of Apple .Discussion about future of OS and apple is absent again. iHate iAnything
- moppsy, on 03/12/2009, -0/+5Linux is not UNIX
Solaris is UNIX
Sparc is a microprocessor architecture. - MarkusX, on 03/11/2009, -16/+21Everybody is there but Apple, WTF???
- fluxion, on 03/12/2009, -0/+5@PhillyOC
variety is good for vista, but not for linux? where you have real, user-driven variety, and not various stripped down versions of vista ultimate?
packages dont always install on other distros usually because they were built using a different of libraries that other distros may have older versions of. it has nothing to do with ubuntu's monolithic kernel, linux technically IS the kernel, and that kernel IS monolithic, regardless of the distro. we dont need a unifying kernel, there is one, grab it at kernel.org, its the mainline linux kernel that torvalds and thousands of others maintain and develop, and that all distros constantly rebase their kernel builds on.
and linux software is usually opensource (and if its not, its generally not in any distro's officially repository, and so distributed in a more generic manner), i.e. other package maintainers can almost always easily compile it to run on their own distros. sometimes they need to patch the code, but if there is demand such nuisances are rarely a major roadblock. this type of commitment plays a large role in whether a distro succeeds or not, so the major ones are generally pretty good about porting software.
this goes even more so for drivers, since they arent even distributed as packages. if there's virtually any demand for it it'll find its way right into the mainline kernel, which virtually all distro kernels are based on, unless its some niche distro, like a firewall for an embedded device or something that might use an older kernel. drivers are almost always written with mainline in mind, and thus will eventually make their way to every distro.
variety of distros really doesnt inherently affect software package or driver availability. if it does its generally because the distros dont see demand for a particular package, not because ubuntu isnt playing nice or something.
the main problems with so many distros is much less technical. its lack of familiarity and consistency in basic usage and configuration. this isnt a big problems with long-time linux users, but it is a huge roadblock for any mainstream aspirations. that's why something like ubuntu picks up so much steam...it has enough exposure that within its large user base there's consistency and familiarity, and those users grow that userbase.
ubuntu is in a leadership position, and does threaten to alienate other distros....but linux is linux...it really is....and in the end..if linux distro A becomes dominant over distro B and C, you still have linux. if there's demand for soemthing else there can be forks, and ubuntu-based distros. one day they might become the dominant distro. its happened time and time and again (though ubuntu is a more accelerated case)....linux evolves - stix213, on 03/11/2009, -0/+5Linux and Sun are huge players in the server OS market. This meeting isn't necessarily just about the desktop OS market.
- phpirate, on 03/11/2009, -3/+8Somebody should tell PhillyOC to be quiet while the adults are talking.
- MicrosoftBob, on 03/11/2009, -1/+6Essentially, you'd be wrong.
"Jobs and several Apple employees including Jef Raskin visited Xerox PARC in December 1979 to see the Xerox Alto. Xerox granted Apple engineers three days of access to the PARC facilities in return for $1 million in pre-IPO Apple stock."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.#cite_note- ... - sneaker98, on 03/11/2009, -1/+6I was worried I was the only one on digg who knew about PARC's accomplishments. Thanks, rypic7, for restoring some of my faith in digg users.
- veloscaper, on 03/11/2009, -1/+6...because they have a date with your Mom.
- burketo, on 03/12/2009, -0/+4Linux doesn't "have" any os's. They let people use their brilliant software to create their own os's.
MS on the other hand creates one OS and then cuts out differant features. That is directly in opposition to trying to make the best OS possible.
When you talk about the differant linux distros, you are talking about massive differances in functionality and design. Multiple differant approaches to making a great OS. When you talk about the differant variations of windows you are talking about the same OS with differant bits included. most of the time specifically making it less powerful.
As for functionality, software for linux works on multiple distros, so i don't know where you get that from.
Apples and oranges. - OBKenobi, on 03/12/2009, -0/+4Yes, people don't realize they're already using Linux.
- PillCosby, on 03/11/2009, -1/+5troll detected.
- inactive, on 03/11/2009, -11/+15Apple has no reason to discuss anything. They sell point upgrades as a full OS.
- CraigCarlyle, on 03/11/2009, -1/+5And that's why Xerox makes paper now.
- PhillyOC, on 03/11/2009, -3/+7The revolution will not be televised....and apparently will not have Apple in it either.
- corytheboyd, on 03/11/2009, -9/+13Sure, the plastic shell of apple products make you jizz in your pants, but inside, they use the same ***** components everyone else does. You know, there is a HUGE problem with failing HDD's in the macbooks? Cheap HDD's don't last long. Get your ***** straight sir.
- dragossh, on 03/12/2009, -0/+4Indeed, Linux is not a flavor of Unix. It's an Unix-like OS.
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