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- karch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31BassCadet, sarcasm. It's called sarcasm.
- WorldGroove, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25 But, do you understand the coporate world? Alot of times, internal apps can't handle the upgrade. A friend had a story about the upgrade from IE5->IE6. Suddenly some silly login-popup window didn't work in one of the WebApps at work. I know, I know, ....bad developer, but whatever. That's the reality of corporate environment. You can't just go around upgrading a very important piece of the system that everyone depends on without serious testing & planning.
- intent, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22No more ridiculous than your blatant inability to present a valid argument without sounding like a total joke.
- intent, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Perhaps if you stopped calling Microsoft "M$" people might take you seriously.
- endgame, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19GRRRR I have 92 machines that I need to make sure do not get this automatic update done.
Damn I knew I should have set up that SUS server awhile ago! - MisterEd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16If you have a lot of machines you should have a domain controller setup on your network. What I have done in the office is put the blocking program into the the network login script.
When each machine logs in the blocking program is ran, I did this months ago when it first came out. This has ensured that all machines by now have this registry entry on them and will not get the update. - lazydrumhead, on 10/12/2007, -15/+30Well, I like IE7 better than Firefox, except no Adblock.
It's prettier and more compatible with the stuff I do.
This comment will be destructed by digg in 3...2..1 - Vizin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14BassCadet was modded down because he criticially failed his spot sarcasm check.
- flake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Yea, do yourself up a nice WSUS server, it works great for these kinds of things. :)
- uptown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14"1) There is nothing wrong with IE7. People should upgrade to it."
Except if your intranet web-based applications haven't been fully tested on the final version (which isn't available yet), in which case ... there is a very good reason NOT to upgrade to it untill it's been tested and approved. A corporate environment is very different from mom & dad's PC. If their PC breaks, business doesn't stop and money doesn't start flying out the window. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23You guys should be very happy to be getting IE7
IE6 really sucks, IE7 is a huge improvement. - Reno582, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Well not installing it is usually for compatibility reasons, but yeah IE7 is a vast improvement
- Gregd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9You have lots of machines and a domain controller but don't have the for-free WSUS setup? Do yourself and favor and install WSUS as soon as possible. It's rock solid and it's a must have in networks of any substantial size.
Peace out.. - behn1220, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@BassCadet -
You can't really say they aren't coded properly...they are coded to work on the current and/or previous builds of IE. You can't blame the webapp developers for the fact that MS decided to change how IE handles ActiveX controls or because MS decides to add other "functionality" to the browser that changes how things work when compared to previous versions of the browser. Developers can't pro-actively develop their applications to work in changing environments like this because in many cases they don't have any idea what MS will change until really late in the game or after a release. They have to change how their applications operate to accommodate these changes reactively. We have several webapps in our company that as of right now will not work in IE7 until the developers release an update to allow them to work. - tradjik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10If you MS admins are so upset about this at your company then create a GPO, disable the automatic update service and use a patch management solution.
HFNetcheck, GFi, RADIA, WSUS are a few that come to mind.
Not like IE7 is a big suprise, it was announced a long time ago that it would be pushed out using automatic update. If you haven't tested it by now you have no one else to blame. Since you shouldn't have users as admins on their boxes there will be no way it will touch your machines until you deploy it.
Or hey, block the update, get the IE7 setup/deployment wizard, create your own install and push that.
It was all doom-and-gloom when XP SP2 was announced as an automatic update, not saying there weren't any headaches, but it wasn't the end of the world. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I'm not in the corporate world, just my own little world with my one little computer. But in my world, IE7 is a very welcomed improvement lol
IE6 SUCKS. - boblmartens, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9IE7 is going to be one major pain for my college IT department ... not because we don't want it (geez, most of us are already running the beta), but because the old professors (and some new ones) are going to have to learn something new! Oh my!
Case in point, we had to hear our Director of Faculty Learning for Technology complain non-stop about having to rewrite some of his material for IE7, Office 2007, and Vista. He did the same thing when 2003 came out and wanted us to keep 2000 around so that he didn't have to learn something new. Geez. - phlux, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1192?
We have over 150,000!
(LMCO.com) - Promantarius, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14"It's prettier and more compatible with the stuff I do."
It's only compatible with the stuff you do because web developers spend hours making their sites work properly on IE based browsers. If being pretty is a requirement there's quite a few themes available for Firefox, or some other browser which supports standards better than IE :) - ckrimmel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7You got it right on. I'm a system and network administrator for a relatively small business and we utilize WSUS. Personally, microsoft deploying IE7 via Windows Update doesn't bother me all that much because of WSUS and our ability to block it. What concerns me is the fact that we now have to thoroughly test IE7 to confirm that it is 100% compatible with all the internal and external applications we use to make money.
Small correction though, when you say "any good IT department" you mean all of the fortune 1,000 companies and 90% of the remainder. If you haven't deployed WSUS over your network you need to. The one thing I have learned and will emphasize as a Systems Administrator is that users will not update their operating system, virus definitions, or any other type of product that requires updates, unless you force them to. Its fun being god of illiterate computer users =) - Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Are you kidding me??? I suppose everyone that comments has to post links to myriads of articles pertaining to the post to validate their thoughts."
Myriads of articles? No. But an actual fact or two somewhere in the midst of the name calling might be nice. Your post was nothing but bashing. - behn1220, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Although IE7 may indeed be a huge improvement I don't think you are considering the fact that many companies utilize web-based applications and any IE upgrade, even just a little hotfix, can break these applications. A full IE version upgrade is certain to not go over well with many current web-apps that businesses use. The company I work for will most likely hold off 6 - 9 months before deploying IE7 across the enterprise for this very reason...lots of testing needs to be done and most likely some upgrades from the vendors that developed these applications will need to be applied.
- behn1220, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Any good IT department for a medium or large business should already have Automatic Updates turned off and disabled (via a GPO or as part of the image or both) and utilize some other means of deploying updates that offer some level of control (SMS, PatchLink, Altiris, etc.). If they choose to leave Automatic Updates enabled it better be pointed at an internal WSUS server so they can control these things.
- CorpT, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13It's retarded advice.
1) There is nothing wrong with IE7. People should upgrade to it.
2) Every IT department has heard of Opera and Firefox. And there is probably a reason they haven't moved the masses to it yet, be it lack of control through GP or lack of compatability with some necessary product.
The chip on your shoulder only makes you look childish and inexperienced. Maybe your friends and family think you're the coolest because you told them about Firefox, but there are plenty here who aren't amused. - JK1150, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6We are using WSUS to block it. I just need to make sure a plugin works with the final build and it's fine though, not too concerned about it. Then again, I can see why a lot of people are scrambling now...
I understand Microsoft pushing it as a critical EVENTUALLY, but not on day 1 of it's release. At least they are providing a blocking utility though, that's good thinking. - hobier, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5i find IE7 faster than firefox and isnt a resource hog like firefox, IE7 has a very good memory management.
I'm a website designer and its a welcome change, though firefox supports almost everything in terms of CSS/W3C coding standards but IE7 is more or less good too. Since firefox gave MS IE team a wakeup call im pretty sure they'll be new versions of IE which will be better. - neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I dont know how people could dig you down, but its so true!
They would have us running RPG on ibm 4004's if they had the chance. Punchcards for everyone! - gleem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4For those who use autoit and want to use it in a script for domain users logins:
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RegWrite("HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE SOFTWARE Microsoft Internet Explorer Setup 7.0", "DoNotAllowIE70", "REG_SZ",1)
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bah... where there are spaces you need to put slashes - mattyohe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You are correct... This article is also a waste of time... What admins use Digg as a resource for finding this stuff out?
- Vizin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Zonkr, some workplaces are not going to switch to Firefox or Opera for their own reasons. Accept it and deal with it.
Now, if you can't switch to a different browser, couldn't it, maybe, possibly be a good idea to upgrade to a new, more secure version of the browser they are comfortable using? - jasonprussell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't know about all of you, but allowing "automatic" updates on an enterprise network is EXTREMELY bad practice. I for one, test every update (except critical security patches) on a test machine before pushing it out to the rest of the network.
- Archer1980, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@mictester
Have you even tested IE7? or i should specify, RC1 of IE7?. I've been running it on my machine for testing purposes since it came out, and i've run all the beta's as well, and i haven't had a single crash.
As for most of the comments on here, i don't see the harm in letting it go through as an automatic update. Most IT personnel by now should have been testing IE7 right from Beta 1 to see how it's been reacting with there products, i know i have been. So, when the final release comes out, i can confidently say that it's not going to crash on us. If i had seen a problem with some of the software we currently use then yeah, i'd be ontop of it.
I smell the Stench of Firefox and Opera Fanboys in this thread. - 13thfloor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Dugg, because I can be a lazy ass and download a simple application to do all the work for me...
Link 2/3 of the way down on the story's page - mordain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3hmmm, good work, wish i thought of it first.
- flake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It probably uses WMI. Things like this don't work if you don't have administrative access to the remote machine.
- miclamarre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just disable automatic update on your LAN, and use a patch management solution to approve / deploy your patches.. eighter WUS or even better, Shavlik HFNetChk Pro.
Taking patch management to the next level: Shavlik HFNetChkPro review
http://geeksaresexy.blogspot.com/2005/12/taking-patch-management-to-next-level.html - Matt88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3My work only updated to IE6 (from IE 5.5) two weeks ago. I'm guessing they will update to IE7 in about 5 years time.
- gildude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In general the corporate world doesn't use automatic updates. At a minimum they would use WSUS (where you approve updates before they install). Most would use an SMS or Tivolli or Altiris or PatchLink or something else to deploy patches. Relying on automatic updates is really for the smaller scale shops - like the guy up above who has 92 machines. The large corporates won't have this install by accident.
- jcharrell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2While I agree that there are some advantages to upgrading to IE7 vs IE6, I still don't want it to be an automatic update, it should be in the optional software section. And I use both Firefox and IE7 and they both work fine for me.
- jonstafari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ha -- it's never too late... it'll take a few hours of your day, and it's worth it -- even if you're not on 2003 domain!
- jonstafari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Admins are one thing... trying to get end-users prepared and comfortable with new shiny program is another story all together! Sure, sysA's should have some testing before deployment, but that's not always the case with various departments. I have programmers and q/a people _scared_ they'll have to rewrite code and objects due to compatibility issues -- even though they're testing IE7!
I think some of you are speaking in general terms that might not apply to every sysA and/or network.
Yeah, WSUS and "other" patch management solutions will help alleviate headaches, but eventually you're going to have to deploy the update/patch. But in the meantime, prepare to hold the hands of non-tech departments when you're explaining the new "features" and "enhancements" of IE.
- chadu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2IE6. good riddance, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!
- EntropyFan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5>>Many system administrators are going to be taken by surprise
What the ***** is this? Seriously, if you are a system admin, and taken by surprise by this, kill yourself. You are part of the problem. - bluesaze, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Though I am still going to be using Firefox. I See no harm in upgrading to IE 7.0 Donno why people seem so paranoid.
- ckrimmel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Compatability. We use internal applications that were not designed for IE7 and although you would not think this would be an issue I've been testing the beta's etc of IE7 and some of the proprietary applications only allow IE6...
- ckrimmel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And after all of the hype...just ran windows update on my home machine, work machine, and syncrhonized WSUS - no IE7.
- crawfishsoul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Can anyone provide a link on how to install IE7 without uninstalling IE6? I would like to run both versions on my machine for testing purposes. All of the articles/tut's I've seen so far only detail that the IE7 beta will restore IE6 on uninstall.
If this info isn't yet available because the final IE7 isn't out, then I sure hope the instructions make it to the front page when they are available! - endgame, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Does this just block IE7 or all updates? Where do I get it & do I just add it as a GP (Group Policy) add in?
- sunshinelife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0FYI:
I just did a new installation of IE 7.0 on top of my IE 6.0 and at least for me the Startpage was kept intact. - sunshinelife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Startpage
Does anyone know if the automatic install of IE 7.0 will override the Startpage I have set in my IE 6.0?
We have a portal with many users having us as their Startpage - if we loose that when IE 7.0 comes out we (and many others) have a big problem.
Perhaps we should recommend everyone to download a Firefox with the startpage preconfigured to us as a preventive measure? -
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