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- twitmer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27To clear up any confusion: Joost is the new name for The Venice Project (http://www.theveniceproject.com/) It's a streaming TV project created by Kazaa and Skype founders Niklas Zennstrom and Janus Friis. I don't believe you can use the app without having a beta tester account.
I pre-registered as a beta tester four or five months ago, and got an invite when it launched recently. Supposedly you are supposed to "tokens" that can ve used to invite friends, but I haven't gotten any yet? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19"though bbc news is very very very biased"
The BBC is probably the least biased news I've ever watched. - wild, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16You are so going to get signed up for a lot of porn spam...
- bjtitus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11It'd be a great platform if they can get some more content (and maybe even live stuff!). The current selection is a little limited, but they still have plenty of time to get more content.
- melvs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I've played with it as a tester and the only thing I see holding it back at this point IS the lack of content. If they can nail down some good stuff to have on there, we will have a winner on our hands.
- macewan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10cross platform is a good thing =)
- wild, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16Market share is irrelevent to the conversation. I want my mac version. Not damning Windows or Linux. Just saying, I want a Mac version. :)
- SoundJudgment, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Just checking, but isn't Joost supposed to be 'Non-Disclosure Agreement' Beta Invite at this point?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Dare I suggest http://www.joost.com ? I know that's not an obvious link or anything ;-)
- Pimpalicious316, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"submitted 13 hours 42 minutes ago in Software"
- JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Buried & Banned.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@CPUGUy
I haven't got one spam in the two weeks I've been signed up for the beta service, I don't think it's coming from them. - TheZorch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Cable TV providers had better sit up and take notice. This sort of thing is the wave of the future and they'd better adapt or suffer.
- domr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7All their content is licensed and legal.
- dlsspy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@ShrimpCrackers
Adobe has software equivalent to the proprietary Adium open-source IM client?
Industry-standard is a weird term to use, though. I've seen Final Cut on more DVD extras than anything else. Maybe a little Avid. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Xbox360, Viiv, Wii, Zune, Joost?
is the tech industry just ***** out bad names nowadays? - domr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It works under Boot Camp - and with some hacking it'll just about run under Parallels (but very slow framerate). A proper Mac version is in development.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Death to the TV licence in the UK I say. Seriously. £120 (~$240) of pure highway robbery. The BBC has only put out 4 good series this year, and I would be very happy to pay per view for those (if I didn't already download the torrents for free).
- piesforyou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes, but you still don't HAVE to RECEIVE TV. It is optional. You do not have to own a TV license if you don't have a tuned in TV/PC Card/whatever. It's a common misconception (and one which the bastards at TV Licensing encourage).
wonboodoo, like I said, it's optional. Just like, say, getting a takeaway. If you don't like the price, you don't have to buy it. - machinder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"though bbc news is very very very biased"
"The BBC is probably the least biased news I've ever watched."
"LOL right....watch news much?"
Oh, stuff it. All "biased" means to most people is "that news outlet often says to which I'm ideologically opposed." Read the results of the Guardians study of the Downing St complaint that the Beeb was anti-war. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,991214,00.html
And to the person who complained that the British pay for the programming whereas other nations watch/listen to BBC programming for free, its simply not true. From what I understand, not-for-profit stations (like Jazz FM in Toronto) can rebroadcast BBC World News, but there is a licensing fee for the full BBC channels, and the BBC is compensated for syndication and rebroadcasting of shows we get here like Little Britain and Doctor Who. - zadadka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The TV licence is written into Law, penalties include fines and imprisonment for non-payment.
It's also a License to RECEIVE television broadcasts, so watching on a PC monitor doesn't get us off the hook. - ThirdPrize, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4looking for a new name?
- woogster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"My question to you is why do you think [the BBC] has to exist?"
Because it is a Good Thing™ to have at least one media outlet that isn't programming only for the benefit of its corporate sponsors. When a channel's revenue is directly linked to ratings and ratings alone it inevitably leads to lowest common denominator broadcasting. The license fee system at least provides an opportunity for us receive unbiased, independent programming.
"in South Africa we have to pay tv licences AND the public broadcaster has a hellava load of adverts ...."
Likewise in France. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I can't wait until they get some decent content. I mean, watching the "Life of Paris Hilton" and 15 channels dedicated to rap videos or Jamie Kennedy's not funny new web show is not worth watching. The two decent channels, Docs on Demand and Explora are the only things worth watching on Joost so far.
Given that complaint, the streaming is excellent. The video is crystal clear and flawless. The audio is excellent. I've run this on 3 different machines in different locations. 1 had a 768 connection and still streamed perfectly except a couple times while multitasking. The 2nd location was on a 1.5 connection and the stream was flawless even while multitasking. Finally, at home with a 10mbps connection there is obviously no problem.
These guys have a first-rate project going. I just hope they get more of a variety of channels. - Pirkel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I use TVUplayer. Search google if you want it. It has a few Chinese stations, but it also has a few major US Networks that are being streamed out of CA.
- piesforyou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The BBC doesn't have adverts though. There's no other way to pay for it. Someone has to foot the bill. And after all, you don't HAVE to buy a license, you just can't have a tuned-in TV if you don't.
- zSlider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3To get Joost on the TV....
DVI from computer to DVI on TV. Done!
Wired also has a good article on this.
http://www.wired.com/news/wiredmag/0,72506-0.html?tw=wn_index_1 - CPUGUy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9How about we talk about as soon as I accepted my invitation I started getting 10x as much spam.
These guys are selling your information, and I guess it really shouldn't be a big suprise with how craptastic Kazaa was. - rodrigo74, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Mac version or it didn't happen
- rsdouglas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3pfft you should see South Africa... yay for telecoms monopolies... :(
- frant1c, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I can't see anything in the privacy policy or their emails which would forbid me to write about the product. This said, similar reviews already appeared on many sites (mostly under the old name "Venice Project"), most notably GigaOM.
- tf5bassist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Welcome to the fallout of Web2.0. :D
- LesterKing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Funny, I just typed in www.joost.com and it seemed to work for me.
Apparently, the author didn't count on the new improved version of the idiot. - piwy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@iwannagofast: MB != Mb
- wonboodoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2> Yes, but you still don't HAVE to RECEIVE TV. It is optional. You do not have to own a TV license if you don't have a tuned in TV/PC Card/whatever.
I know this. The absurdity is that you have to pay for the license if you care to watch TV but do not care to watch or for the BBC. It costs the government nothing for ITV (or any other channel besides the BBC) to broadcast so why should you be paying the government in order to see them? You should pay for the BBC if you watch it. Let the BBC encrypt it's broadcast and send out chips that everybody pays for if they want to watch it. Don't prevent others from watching TV who don't care for the BBC or don't think it's worth the ridiculous yearly fine you need to pay for it's existence. This is not limited to the BBC, same goes for the national mandatory payment channels everywhere else. - RonaldLewis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Based on articles I've been reading, Joost will make its way into set top boxes, gaming consoles, and more.
- zizzybaloobah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If the streaming and playback is as good as I've been reading about here and elsewhere, I wonder how long before we see Joost devices that provide all the functionality without requiring a PC. Kinda like how Skype is now getting integrated into routers and other products to get around having to have a PC on all the time.
Even better -- imagine a combo box (lol) that could handle Joost and Skype simultaneously - what a wonderful way to say 'SCREW YOU' to the phone and cable companies. - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Looks awesome and it once again makes me realise how pathetic broadband is in Australia (In relation to speed & monthly limits), sigh.
- caoilte, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3p2p telephony already existed when Skype came along too. The difference was Skype was ludicrously simple to install, "cute" and (most crucially) worked through firewalls.
It looks like "Joost" has already ticked the first two boxes before any other competitor, it remains to be seen whether they have a killer feature to truly cement their position. Exclusive rights to a global event would do the trick.
What I want to know, though, is why no one has considered the damage watching tv at such close range must do to your eyesight. Chat plugins and such is all very well but you can hardly use them from across the room. It seems to me that fullscreen video just isn't a good fit for the computer. - tcoop25, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Overally, it was a decent article.
- allancorbett, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Buried and blocked.
- Halvy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2- Ebay (you know, big corporation).. owns Skype.
- Kazaa (part of Skype) sold out along time ago (regardless of the reason, they chickened out).
- Skype hides it's code.
WHY IS ANYONE excited about joost when there are better alternatives. - Latka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How's your ePenis?
- kilps, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2in South Africa we have to pay tv licences AND the public broadcaster has a hellava load of adverts ....
- prrudman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As soon as they see the light they will produce Wii, 360 and PS3 compatible version. No need for a PC or any tech knowledge (however little) to watch IPTV on your TV and already millions of potential users twiddling their thumbs waiting for it.
- wonboodoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2> Because it is a Good Thing™ to have at least one media outlet that isn't programming only for the benefit of its corporate sponsors
You mean like PBS and NPR in the US? Neither of which takes mandatory fees from the public (I believe some tax-payer dollars may go towards them, but nothing like what the Brits have to pay). Donating to both of these is voluntary.
> When a channel's revenue is directly linked to ratings and ratings alone it inevitably leads to lowest common denominator broadcasting. The license fee system at least provides an opportunity for us receive unbiased, independent programming.
You mean like EastEnders? (joke). BBC has no bias problems at all do they: http://www.google.com/search?q=bbc+bias
If a human is running any media outlet then it is biased.
I can't comment on France and South Africa, but you can't tell me every channel that does not have forced mandatory payments (PBS, History channel, Discovery, National Geographic, ... etc) aims at the lowest common denominator. - wonboodoo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5@piesforyou
Like I said, look at PBS in the US as a model, it doesn't have adverts (in the normal sense) either, but gets it's funding from voluntary contributions for the most part. You, like other Brits I've spoken to, seem to think that "well if we don't all fork over 100 quid per year then BBC will no longer exist". My question to you is why do you think it has to exist? Why should someone who doesn't like BBC who lives in UK and wants to watch TV be forced to pay for it? And even those that do like it may not think it's worth 100 quid/year to them, so why should they be forced to pay so much? If I lived there I'd be outraged. It seems like blind acceptance to me. If BBC goes out of business then so be it. - BocoDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1While your setup for watching TV on PC might be impractical for you right now, there are a million ways to get around it.
There are media center PCs that output to TVs, giant PC monitors, and you could even just put your regular tiny monitor in a place where you can see it from the rest of the room. Get creative: The PC has long since left "workstation" territory, and has been a multimedia machine for years. Why not make it the center of your home theater or something?
You are right, you can't use the chat from across the room. I don't think anyone was expecting you to be on it 24/7. You can sit down in front of the keyboard on the rare occasion :) - bwilly79, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Probably would take a while. It's taken Skype a really long time to get to this point and that is just voice. Only need about 90 kb/s to transmit telephone quality audio. It would take a lot more bandwidth and positive buzz from early adopters.
BTW - Streaming has been pretty good. About once every 3 minutes I get a stutter. I have 15/5 MB optonline cable. -
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