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- arbulus, on 10/11/2007, -5/+48Start a blog.
Jesus. - Razster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+26Joomla is my business, it has helped save time for me as well as time and money for my clients...
I contribute and donate 5% of my sale to Joomla.com - Proud Joomla/Mambo member since 2005 - rosefu, on 10/11/2007, -3/+26@kevinfell
I am currently working with Sharepoint 2007, and for the vast majority of web developers (especially those concerned with standards / XHTML) open source solutions are far superior. Extremely simple tasks like getting a site to validate is almost impossible in Sharepoint 2007 with out-of-the-box solutions (e.g. Sharepoint web parts peppered with table tags).
Not to mention open source solutions are so, so much cheaper. - eddieajau, on 11/01/2007, -2/+22Very balanced response to a very complex issue and brings Joomla! in line with the other major projects such as Typo3, Drupal, Xoops and others.
- wkilis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21Joomla's "peaceful" community would definitely get militant if Joomla dropped open source.
- jeffgtr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14I use Joomla and Drupal for CMS depending on the project. I agree with the above poster, they are so much better solutions than Sharepoint. Where I work they are going with Sharepoint which is a real shame, they didn't even consider open source, they are laying a very expensive datatel front end over Sharepoint, no one in the web development end was even consulted. Some salesperson blew a bunch of smoke and sold them down the river. That is the problem with technology, the decision makers do not have a clue and are incapable of making a well thought out decision. For the salespeople it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Do you even know what Web 2.0 and Joomla! are?
Joomla! is a content managing system, which from what I have seen, have been around longer than Web 2.0 - raeldc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12For those who didn't know the issue behind this post, please read this
http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,163492.0.html
The discussion is mainly whether Commercial 3rd Party Developers are allowed to encrypt and release their extensions with a non-GPL License. It was a very hot topic. Now Joomla! Core devs made it clear that they'll stick with GNU/GPL, closing the hopes of 3rd Party Developers that Joomla's license can be modified. - countmandible, on 11/15/2007, -1/+11That is not a joke. Joomla and its predecessor, Mambo have been around for a very long time now, at least 5 years...probably longer.
- hagrin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10@rosefu -
I barely login here anymore, but your comment was so right on that I had to digg you up.
SharePoint 2007, while it pays the bills currently, is a complete freaking mess. Getting sites to validate, clean URLs, properly securing pieces of the site, creating "clean" master page code, etc. is all such a pain I'm really second guessing my company's move to SP. Let's not mention the need to know CAML, XSLT, XML, .Net and server administration just to get simple web parts built. Also, let's not mention that without using SmartPart, you can't visually see your controls and is near impossible to debug efficiently.
Oh, and the licensing to run SP Portal Server with the appropriate SQL Server 2005 backend? Yeah, try a 40 grand investment over 3 years if you buy the SA licensing.
Open source initiatives like this will improve and drive competition so that companies, such as the one I work for now, will hopefully do some simple accounting and realize that just because it comes from Redmond that it doesn't mean it's good. I greatly appreciate the work of people supporting projects like Joomla and Drupal and GNU/GPL compliance is a great step forward for being solutions seriously considered in the corporate environment. - rabidmonkey1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10I started using Joomla! this past year and I must say the whole experience was really fantastic. The system is very flexible and versatile. For those who don't know, it's an offshoot of Mambo, so many of the developers have been working at this stuff for a while. Can't wait for v 1.5
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13I have an old acronym to use, STFU.
- rosefu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Joomla was originally part of Mambo, which was open source but became privatized. A team of people that worked on Mambo then broke off and started Joomla. The two share a lot of similarities, especially on the backend administrative system, but Joomla is more dedicated to open source and web standards.
- goldeneagle, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Well done.
It must have taken incredible guts to stand up for the GPL and not have it turned into some abomination, interpreted by those seeking proprietary leverage. Joomla! is going to prove to be a case study for ANYONE seeking the difficult path. Tough decision but necessary. Had Joomla! not undertaken to clean up its role in open source it would have ended up the pariah.
Again, amazing ... well done. - bradleyland, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8njank, I think the problem comes in the fact that most people find CMS System 02314 difficult to remember. One of the downfalls of incorporating your business purpose into your name is that sooner or later, all the names end up blurring together. Hence, we arrive here with Joomla, Amazon, Google, Kleenex, Target, and a myriad of other business/brand names that have no relation to the actual business purpose.
- countmandible, on 11/15/2007, -2/+7Been using it for years.
- RevMark, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3This whole thing revolves around developers encrypting components/module, plugins, etc. and not providing the source code. There is no argument about whether a Joomla dev can sell extensions to Joomla, it is whether he can encrypt the source without providing the source and whether or not he can do so under a non-GPL license. I think we are not moving in to the semantics of power and control. I do believe that OSS and Commercial/Proprietary SW can co-exist in the same GPL'd core application (such as Joomla). No real reason why it could not other than the wording of the license itself. I personally have over 10 Joomla sites that I could not run without the commercial apps.
- NJank, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8And please notice, that along with the Title project, you have now named 4 OSS products whose vague names give absolutely no indication of what they do. And I'm too lazy to Wikipedia them. Isn't it great when functionality is completely ripped out of language!
- goldeneagle, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@ shinon,
What compass doesn't get is that Joomla! had zero options. He states 'who's Joomla! is it' ... well if it had continued to pursue the all famous WAIVER it would have hit the jagged rocks eventually, as copyright holders of some of the key libraries in Joomla wouldn't be wanting to play in that space. They would have withdrawn their permission, no doubt about that.
So by trying to suggest it's open source zealots v commercial business people is in itself a poor argument. What it actually it is: GPL allows commercialism but not proprietary. The fourth pillar of the GPL protects code from being locked shut. Inherently it's designed to ensure the code is LOCKED OPEN.
When it's locked open, everyone owns the code.
In particular, the major whiners should learn not to build their houses out of straw. GPL is bricks and mortar - soulonice, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6awesome. I just killed drupal as my site's CMS and installed joomla last week. It's a different learning curve and I'm still working on getting it up and running, but it seems to be a lot more 'modern' and quicker on development than drupal.
- vdxc, on 09/29/2008, -0/+3"The name Joomla! is a phonetic spelling for the Swahili word "Jumla", which means "all together" or "as a whole". It was chosen as the entire team behind Mambo was unanimous in their commitment to protecting the interests of the project and community."
From: http://www.opensourcematters.org/content/view/79/40/ - kidti, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Joomla is a best selection. Most my websites is based on Joomla CMS.
Open source is power! - GuyRCook, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Open Source DOES Matter, good job Joomla team for taking a position. I read a post earlier that he donates a set percentage of every Joomla site back to Joomla.org. That's an excellent idea, and a model that I too will adopt.
- crgnetworks, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@slythfox
If you even attempt to include PHPNuke, you're clueless. - cuemkid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Open source does matter, yes!
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http://www.nhac.duc-anh.com - OBKenobi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I don't know about this Sharepoint mumbo jumbo (I suspect it is a trap), but working with Joomla has been nothing but joy so far. I used godaddy, they have a script to install it automatically, so I didn't even have to mess with the database config. Installing 3rd party modules for it was just as easy.
The stuff that's available for Joomla is very professional looking (it doesn't look like "free clipart"), and very easy to customize. So far I have paid $0 for what only a few years ago would have easily cost $10,000+ in graphic design and programming. - OBKenobi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1[quote]SharePoint 2007, while it pays the bills currently, is a complete freaking mess.[/quote]
What a surprise. - Cidrix, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2for me the best cms. it's easy to customize and fast to deploy plugins and modules.
- Ashfire908, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@Hootyea
If you think they are so alike, go check the Joomla! 1.5 code. There are a lot of changes in it. (Goes back to waiting for the 1.5 release and developer documentation) - djdole, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Mmmm Joomla goodness.
Tasty - shinon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3and a summary (in case you don't want to read 60+ pages)
http://www.compassdesigns.net/whose-joomla-is-it-anyway.html - TNT4, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0As one who has listened in person to Richard Stallman and his GPL flock, you have to know that going with the GPL is often more of a religious then a business decision unless there is the ability to also release a non-GPL licensed version. Look at MySQL. Those boys have done it right. They get the full backing of commercial vendors like SAP and Oracle, plus they get the backing of many in the GPL camp. Going pure GPL will limit where I can use Joomla. I can no longer recommend it for use in my commercial endeavors and will have to back other projects like MySQL that allow me to use it for both my personal GPL projects and my commercial software development where a corporation owns the source.
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- Foxxen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Comments like that are the kind that should be kept to one's self. Just shows ignorance on your part and the lack of any real knowledge of what is and is not good in this world. Good is measured on a lot of scales, your comment doesn't even make any sense. Joomla! is a very stable, well put together, well rounded, CMS. Why don't you go hang out at the PostNuke site! I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.....
- miamimax, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Your comment is right-on. Therein lies the rub.
- jkantor, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Open Source works because it guarantees a space where capitalism (in the form of for-profit extensions, front-ends, packaging, distribution, etc.) can flourish.
- HondaCBR600, on 11/30/2007, -0/+0I've run Joomla on a couple of sites and Xoops. I've reverted back to wordpress for now. VB on http://www.fireblades.org and WP http://miami.fastrealestate.net WordpressMU on http://www.fastrealestate.net
- ZoomCities, on 12/11/2007, -0/+0We used to use Joomla at http://www.zoomcities.com but due to its complexity we have moved to a different system. I hope they can do a Joomla lite or something similar
- Foxxen, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I've used several different CMS systems. Some are so darn complexed that it takes months to get it working the way you want it to and that's not counting getting it to look right too. Joomla! offers ease of use and it can be just as complex as the others out there if needed. I'm glad there is something that reflects such high quality in the Open Source arena. Even most of the extension/plugins I use, are of same caliber. If you're used to using any of the other mainstream CMS systems out there, Joomla! is not that hard to learn. Great choice to start learning on as well.
- sobolwolf, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Yeah right Joomla - I am one of those so called "monsters" that sells commercial add-ons for Joomla - and I can tell you it is the commercial designers that make the good ***** - the gpl designers just copy the ideas and make a half assed effort. Once you lose the commercial devs, you lose the cool add-ons. So keep waving your prissy little "open source matters flag" as your ship goes down. If you don't believe me look what happened to Postnuke when they ditched their commercial devs, no you are lucky to see a modules released in a month, before this they came thick and fast just like Joomla. Postnuke even did a flip flop on the policy as a last ditch effort to win back some devs, didn't seem to work...
Joomla HA! - . I have worked with 1.x and 1.5 - both of them are not really up to scratch IMHO, the code is a nightmare to work with, overly complicated to create add-ons anyway. They think 1.5 is cool cause it has some extended objects and a 3rd class template engine, whoopy *****.
I am glad this happened anyway - I am about to release a CMS of my own, one that will be encoded with ioncube but free (no one's gonna fork my ***** like what happened with mambo - it's almost like stealing) it will also be extremely friendly for 3rd party developers AND easy for them to encode / DRM their products. Lets see in a year who's got the extensions.
THANKS JOOMLA! YOUR LOSS BECOMES MY GAIN HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
PS to all you freeloading fanboys of GPL - I look forward to putting your money in my pockets. - mudoch, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0It is hard to convince any business to use open source when the licensing issues are often confusing. I'm glad that there are Open Source apps taking a hard look at how they are licensed.
I've just recently started to use Joomla for the Schoold Districts Marching Band Website. I tried every CMS listed on OpenSource CMS looking for just the right mix of maintainability and array of features Core/Extenstions that I could have semi-computer versed individuals add content to of which Joomla was best fit. So this review of licensing and commitment to that licensing is a welcome addition to that choice. - Japan1, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Joomla and the community behind it are a great example of what makes OSS great and secures its future. I am happy to be a part of it, if only as a user.
- jasz, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2tell that to Yahoo!
- fktt, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0i love joomla! 's name, it means so much to an estonian who likes the idea of drinking... ;)
(ps. tomahook.net if you want to know what i mean, search for joomala) - elliotpeele, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I meant to attach this link:
http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/joomla/ - iamlost456, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Lol, I think we dugg it to death.
- cloudsoup, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0Drupal for me. Did you know 'The Onion' is on Drupal?
- dc733, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1I am a graduate student at New York University currently researching how Open Source software is used by Web 2.0 companies. The Joomla vs. Sharepoint debate goes to the heart of my research into the decision making process of web entrepreneurs.
If you have started and run a web business I would be very grateful if you could take just a few minutes to participate in an online survey located at:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=qB24rUylmFTCHAWjIpmfpQ_3d_3d
Thank You for your time !
David Christophersen
dc733@nyu.edu
- Churnd, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3http://plone.org/ :)
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