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- mturn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32gimp is a very useful and able alternative to photoshop, but its interface needs quite a bit of work. of course, the price is right, so you might as well give it a try.
- mturn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30"if you think about it, photoshop is free"
think about it a little harder. - ricodued, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34And who said .NET was worthless?
- AmishRefugee, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34have you tried/looked into GiMP? i don't know much about it but it may be able to help you
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -10/+28Read: I've gotten a useless certification and programmed dozens of hello, world! applications in multiple languages. Thus, my opinion is clearly superior to yours.
You're the one that needs to bone up on how .NET works. The previous guy was right; the code is compiled the first time it's run. The only time code is interpreted is the first time it's run AND in debug mode, for obvious reasons.
.NET does create real applications. It works in Linux and OSX through Mono. It has NO learning curve compared to Lisp or C++. If you actually believe the opposite for any of the these, you clearly don't know what .NET is. - vagarach, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Ah yes the MCSD & MCSE, haha. I myself have A+ certification, but even when I got it at age 14 I recognised that having it was a complete joke.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24"Ah, yes: a resident expert. .NET is kind of worthless because it runs only on one platform: WIndows."
Calling something worthless because it works on the most popular OS in the world is a bit of a stretch. - noxcel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15"If You Use PhotoShop"- you don't need Paint.net 3.0...
- DoorFrame, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13No healing brush == no good.
- oever, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11http://www.koffice.org/krita/ is another powerful image editor. It runs on linux and the next version based on KDE4 should run on Windows and Mac OS X too.
- mturn, on 10/12/2007, -18/+29someone who doesn't know jack sh*t about effective software development, or is afraid of the performance penalty of using an interpreted environment (FUD - code is compiled into native machine language at execution, and kept in memory as machine code between executions). more than likely, just someone who hates microsoft. effortless deployment, security, common class libraries across programming languages, fantastic (and free) IDE, etc. there is nothing not to like about .NET.
- OpCzar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I just use IrfanView for those purposes: http://www.irfanview.com/
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Paint.NET 3 is still in ALPHA. It's not a final release. The current release is 2.72.
- BobbyOnions, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I tried but I really can't see how you can squeeze the word "professional" into a sentence advocating software piracy.
- dickeytk, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15too bad it's still in alpha
- jambarama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9My apologies, I previously linked to a GIMPshop fansite. GIMPshop was done by Scott Moschella, whose website looks nice. Not like gimpshop.net, yelchh!
Anyhow, here is the original site with 'official' installers:
http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294 - mturn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12because it is free; there is nothing wrong with learning something new, once in a while; and very few people actually need the features of photoshop that are not yet present in gimp.
i assume you would not steal merchandise from a store; what makes you think that pirating software is any different? someday these people will grow some morals, and realize that settling for the free version is the right choice. - terminalpariah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I give Paint.NET a spin every once in a while. The interface is nice but I always end up going back to the Gimp (yes, I've gotten used to it). That, and Paint.NET doesn't do animating GIFs. :P
- jambarama, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12I do love the GIMP, but if you are used to Photoshop, it takes getting used to. There is an alternative to the GIMP UI though, even on the Mac (in fact it was designed for Macs initially): GIMPshop. It is simply the GIMP skinned to look like Photoshop.
See http://www.gimpshop.net/ for details, or
http://rapidshare.de/files/21703424/Gimpshop-OSX-2.2.11.dmg.html for the Mac version to download. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Please link to the Paint.NET 3.0 Alpha 1 changelog with a download link on top of the page instead of a random blog: http://www.getpaint.net/roadmap.html
- rsayers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I've used Paint.Net for quite a while. It's not meant to compete with the features of Photoshop or even Gimp. It's meant to be a simple editing tool that's actually useful (as opposed to MS Paint). The projects webpage even states that it was originally intended to be a replacement for Paint.
I use it quite often even with a legal copy of CS2 installed. - rip747, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I just downloaded the program and tried it out. It installs in 30 seconds and it launches in just under 1 second. It has most of the tools that almost every image program has (crop, paint, zoom). I think that is a great replacment for Paint but I don't it will replace Photoshop for more advanced stuff. Great work though.
I will say that this program demostrates the power of .Net being that it is only 3.5 meg download. - wedderburn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8its made in .net and source code is provided im sure you could/get someone to make this work with mono(free implimentation of .net) on OS X
- DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I use XnView for the simple stuff :)
http://www.xnview.com/
better than irfranview imo. - unclefrank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I've been using this program for a long time now and I have to say its excellent. This is what microsofts paint.exe SHOULD be. Even though it's supposedly an alpha release i've found it to be much more stable than a lot of production software.
It lacks some of the more powerful features of photoshop but who cares?!?! I never used those anyway and I imagine most users don't. One of the best free programs out there, this should be on all those "top 10 free apps" lists but often isnt! - OpCzar, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Everyone I know uses Photoshop for their hobbies and it's a pirated version too. The only reason one wouldn't pirate it is when they start using it for professional purposes (they buy it then). I don't see any reason to start learning either alpha stage software (paint.net) nor one that keeps playing catch up (gimp). This isn't a troll, it's reality.
- math20, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5There is a gradient plugin but you would expect something like that to be built in.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8One question, who pays for Photoshop in the first place? Besides me cause downloading it illegally would be immoral. ;)
- mathmanjeffy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"someday these people will grow some morals..."
Sadly, no they probably won't.
Adobe is a fairly generous company to buy from in terms of offering educational discounts. They will offer you a discount no matter what grade level (K-12 / College, including Homeschooling) you are either in (meaning you are a student) or teach. The discount is extremely substantial. The entire creative suite (Photoshop / Illustrator / InDesign / GoLive / Acrobat Professional) is around $350-$400 depending on where you get your academic discount from. That's incredible value for the price (although I have never touched GoLive since receiving it).
Although you need to pay full price if you aren't in education (either as a student or teacher), it is fairly easy to weigh necessities against nonessentials and learn some basic personal finance techniques to purchase a legal product. - Szekely, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6A very stable alpha.
- allyant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4No gradient tool :( Maybe just because in alpha.
- smitting, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4As far as a useful tool for programmers to manipulate graphics sent from the marketing department to fit inside webpages at a business that won't buy their programmers photoshop, Paint.net has been the best tool since 1.0. Mainly they just need cropping, resize, and graphics format changes, and this works great for free.
- anjinash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm a die hard Photoshop fanatic with no experience (yet) with Paint.NET ... but that''s no reason not to try it.
I'm not sure how heavy of a load this application puts on a system, but when I have to do some quick graphics for a tutorial at work, Photoshop runs REALLY poorly on the PIII with 512MB of RAM that I use at work. If this runs better, then it's worth learning it to use on slower hardware like that.
Pixel works pretty well on all platforms, but it's not free. - Jammer, on 10/12/2007, -28/+31@mturn:
Ah, yes: a resident expert. .NET is kind of worthless because it runs only on one platform: WIndows. Sure, you could argue that since 90% of the f-ing world runs on Windows who cares ... but that's not the point. .NET has a steep learning curve and just as steep maintenance issues, but hey: you don't care because you're an expert, right?
Just for the record: I'm an MCSE and MCSD, and I've programmed dozens of applications both large and small using .NET (C# and VB), in web and thin-client environments. I also do Java, some LISP and a fair amount of C++. There's a lot to like with .NET, no doubt: but it is certainly not free when you want to build and maintain *real* applications, and certainly involves a fair amount of deployment logistics when dealing with .NET framework, security and third-party application issues.
Finally, you need to bone up on what compiled vs interpreted really means from a system point of view, because it does matter. - jeffgtr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8You must be kidding right? I'm a heavy Photoshop user and I tried this thing out. No comparison, it's not even as good as Fireworks. Maybe if your not a Photoshop user and just need something to dabble with, this "might" be a contender, but actually I'd look at Gimp first. My advice, if your a Photoshop user only try this thing out if you have extra time to burn and waste.
- chrisgeleven, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Anyone know if there is something like this on OS X (not named Photoshop)?
I was a big fan of this program when I was a Windows user. Still run it via Parallels, but it would be great if there was a similar program on OS X. - Szekely, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes, part of 3.0 is a multiple image interface that is, in my opinion, way better at handling multiple images than most image editors.
- yensed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4For being in ALPHA, its very stable.
- Johannesrexx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Overall this has been an excellent thread.
(1) We aired the usual dirty laundry that Microsoft simply copied the best parts of Java, called it dot net, and marketed it to their Wintel Drones, declared it an innovation, and debated whether dot net is interpreted or compiled.
(2) Mono got aired but nobody has run paint.net on Linux or Mac OS X
(3) The title of the article is in error. It should say "If you don't have Photoshop check out Paint.net 3.0"
(4) Best of all are all the suggestions from posters about other packages available for image editing. Especially good are the notes about free apps that use core image on Mac OS X. Chocoflop for example.
Rock on. This is one of the most useful topics all week long .... - cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I use Photo Shop for heavy duty editing, but when I just want to crop a photo or the like I open up Paint .NET. I also use it on my wife's notebook, she'd never get up to speed on Photo Shop's feature set. Paint .NET rocks, for what it is. But, comparing Paint .NET to Photoshop is like comparing a moped to a Bentley.
- millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You might find ones for Cinepaint. Look that one up...
- kafitz22, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Gosh darn it delete comment button, why don't you exist?
- Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3C# is good for some things, but it isn't the be all end all language. Anybody who says so is not a developer.
If you want to be a good developer, you need to know and understand a low level language like Assembly or at least C. You need to know a good functional language like Haskell. Some Lisp or Scheme would be nice as well. Finally, you need to have a good text processing language like Python or Ruby.
C# is a Microsoft clone of Java, which Microsoft came out with back in the late 90s because they lost the Sun lawsuit. Don't even consider arguing with me about this either. I worked on aspects of it at Microsoft at the time and a Java clone is exactly what C# is.
Since Microsoft didn't have to worry about backwards compatibility, they were able to make some improvements over Java, but the only reason to use Java at all, in my opinion, is its cross-platform capabilities. .NET doesn't have that, so I think its main draw is that it is as easy as VB without actually being VB. - raindog469, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I would digg it if the title were "If You Use Paint Shop Pro..." or "If You Use Corel Photopaint..." or actually, to be the most accurate, "If You Pirate Photoshop Even Though You Don't Actually Need It, Check Out Paint.Net..."
- jeedee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Chocoflop (http://www.chocoflop.com) is getting there.
- consonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The headline is dead wrong. Paint.net wasn't meant to replace Photoshop. If you've used Paint.net, you know that. That's why it's called "Paint.net" - It's meant to replace Paint. you want to know why it has Photoshop's basic features? Because it has any image editor's basic features; it just is designed to be better than MS Paint. Why is it that anytime a free image editor is written, people say it's meant to replace Photoshop?
- bwroll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It looks like a great free alternative for people wanting to just have photo editing app.
- SineNomen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's what MS Paint should be, because that's what is was made for.
http://www.getpaint.net/ - driya2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I haven't tried 3.0 but I've been using 1.x-2.x for a while, and if I can characterize it, I'd say this program is probably meant for people with little/no graphics experience. It's very intuitive. Things like: moving a part of a bitmap by just selecting and dragging (instead of having to mess with layers like in PS). People accustomed with PS may need to take a step back and think about it, which is why I somewhat disagree with the headline.
There's no point of arguing whether this relatively new free program developed by college kids is comparable to a $600 mature software developed by a giant company. And there's no point of arguing if the developers are evil for choosing .net -- after all, it's free. - skizatch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Gradient tool preview ... http://paintdotnet.12.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=2414
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