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- boohiss, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18"who could get through the day with adblock & filterset.G, comeon?"
90%+ of the world - zaduma, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15yeah unless IE7 adds support for extensions then it will fail, i mean come on who could get through the day with adblock & filterset.G, comeon?
- Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8> But even if Opera is superior in many ways, it is not extensible by any means...
This is not true. You can extend Opera with UserJS and with plugins. - Tyrax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I'm not aware of any popular Unix Distributions that do not include a web browser
- Djerrid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"as long as Microsoft bundles IE with windows"
Imagine if Microsoft and Apple didn't bundle their browsers with their OS. Then how would a newbie surf around to find and download a better browser?
Now, not being able to uninstall IE I have issues with. - jeffgtr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9To me IE7 will be worth nothing unless it's standards compliant. NOTHING. ZERO. ZILCHOLA.
- SupaDawg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10lol. Firefox didn't come out on top last time. It may be the better browser, but as long as MicroSoft bundles IE with windows they will continue to win the browser wars.
That said, the latest IE7 beta is pretty strong, using it right now. - arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Maybe because admuncher and proxomitron are both Windows only applications and not everyone uses Windows?
- michaelstone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Opera's not the only browser that gets close. Safari's passed it.
- vixenk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Last week's build of Opera passed the Acid2. :)
- undauntedspirit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You say IE has extensions, but the source you link to was mostly PAY for extensions.... So I have to agree, it's going to fail at least for me.
- pozzoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5j bellone: the difference is that the memory hog is to make surfing faster (cache). And it will eventually be improved if it's not optimal.
I have 2Gb of ram and ff is using 4% of it(80mb)...I'm cool with it if that allows me to browse faster. After all, that's the reason I bought the memory, to get a smoother experience while using my pc. Anyway, Im sure they'll come with a better way in the future. - magusg, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Opera 9 will trounce them all!
- nstern2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I don't think that those who are currently using firefox are going to change to IE7. I for one am not switching back.
- j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Ah. Firefox doesn't pass Acid either. Opera is the only browser that gets close.
- GrinningFool, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Firefox didn't come out on top last time. "
Erm, last time? Which 'last time' is it that you're referring to? - DS513, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I've already downloaded IE7 beta and given it a test spin. I have to say it's much better than the previous version (which isn't really all that tough to accomplish) but still has NOTHING on Firefox. Why? It doesn't have any system of plugin support. Therefore, what you see is what you get. Besides that, it doesn't have any new features that Firefox already doesn't have. I'm certain Firefox 2 is going to leave the final version of IE 7 in the dust... at least with the power computing crowd.
- Awesomedude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8It should also have an official release before either IE or Firefox.
OPERA FTW opera > firefox > IE - dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Use direct comment replying. I'm inclined to believe Digg added it for a reason.
- Dfects, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Definitely, the weekly builds of Opera 9 are looking increasingly more promising over firefox 2 and ie7.
- Chozabu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6man, adblock really does own - my only prob is it (by default with filterset g) blockes even ads i dont mind, like googles text ads
but once or twice ive linked someone to a site, and been told its a crap ad ridden site... and ive never even seen a hint of an ad on the thing - gronne, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I don't know. I think IE 7 will surprise some people. I had to use it the other day on someone elses computer and I forgot how much faster IE is on many sites.
- adaptive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7FireFox 2.0 far better. But adblock destroys the economics of the web, and at the we all have to pay for that.
- ezweave, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5There are clever ways to get around adblock. Lots of them, actually. Adblock is not foolproof. Sites just have to get smarter about ad usage. Google style ads help that (for one).
- edmicman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Long time FF user, been using IE7 beta 2 at work since it was available. IE7 is a definite improvement over IE6, and for the unwashed masses who don't know better (average Joes) it should hopefully help over where we are now. But IE7 is nowhere near where FF is at this point. Browsing is noticably slower on IE. If I want to open a new site, I ctrl-T, ctrl-L, then begin typing my address and hit enter. Firefox handles this so much faster - there is a noticeable lag when opening a new tab on IE7 between when it creates the tab and then focuses on the new tab. I replace the address for my current page all the time on IE7.
Adblock. No matter what, this is the killer feature of FF. Browsing is faster, cleaner, better. IE does NOT have extentions. That stupid windowsmarketplace link everyone throws around is useless. Most of the solutions are shareware, or expensive, and don't even offer the functionality that Adblock for FF does.
IE7 is still stuck in the retarded find on the page searching method. FF: hit "/" to find as you type, then hit F3 to keep cycling through what it finds. Get to the end of the page? It automatically goes back to the top. IE7: the lame dialog is still there, where you have to hit enter every time, and you have to select whether you want to go "up" or "down".
Middle clicking to open links - you can click pretty much anything in FF and open it in a new link. Bookmarks, Home, Back and Forward buttons. In IE7 I think it's pretty much just links on the page, and bookmarks. I can't click on the Back dropdown, and load the previous page in a new tab.
THe interface in IE7 is ugly and crowded. You can't rearrange the top navigation buttons.
All in all, I'm sticking with FF from here on out. - j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6And Firefox munches memory like a fat guy in a buffet. What's the difference? Choose your evil.
- pozzoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes, I see google advertising as a service, not as spam. But most ads are just spam. Those will eventually disapear, only the usefull ones will remain.
- vixenk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Opera's incompatible? It breaks on most sites? Man, I must be browsing the wrong websites. :S
Seriously, though, the only site I've noticed Opera breaking on is Gmail's new chat feature. A few sites though *like Protopage* use browser sniffers that deliberately send Opera broken code. Mask Opera's user agent string completely though and those sites will display perfectly fine in Opera 9. - JohnnySoftware, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Re: "Ah. Firefox doesn't pass Acid either. Opera is the only browser that gets close."
Safari 2 has been passing Acid2 smile test since 2005! Safari 2 is the standard web browser (in more ways than one) that comes with Mac OS X 10.4.
All Macintoshes ship with it included. Ergo, all currently shipping Macs and those that are less than one year old, pass the Acid test. So do any Macs that are over a year old that have the OS upgrade. - jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Uhhh that's the point of Filterset G, it's the most aggressive filterset available, you can remove any filters you feel you want to see at any time. Also you can get the Filterset G whitelist if you use Adblock Plus which allows ads from less annoying sources through.
- SupaDawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually IE does have this. they'll be called "add-ons".
they were one of the first things i noticed in IE7. you'd have to be blind to miss them. - asskey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I would love to see that. But even if Opera is superior in many ways, it is not extensible by any means...and will never get anywhere until it is. Even if many FF extensions' features are built into Opera, there is just too much that FF can do with XUL right now that Opera won't for a long time.
First Comment Ever! (I know everyone will neg digg this now...) - Chozabu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6IE dont need to "Beat" firefox, or even be better at all
it only needs ot be good enough, and itll get rolled out on new machines by default...
heck, even ie6 is default on most packages today! - Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I've never liked Firefox's native RSS solution, but that's where the extension community comes in. The Sage RSS reader has to be one of my favorite extensions. Also, the screenshots for FF 2.0 seemed to show a new RSS system that looks a lot better.
- RandomSkratch, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Umm IE7 does have extensions.
http://windowsmarketplace.com/content.aspx?ctId=63 - j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6You're running beta software. That means that everything is in debug mode.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why don't the ad companies just stop using sounds, pop-ups, and pop-unders?
The ads wouldn't be as annoying then, and less people would use ad blockers. - btipling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is a terrible review, who cares about where the close tab button is.
- diggnationdevon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, IE can be just as fast as firefox if you boost its max requests from 4 to a higher number like 30 by using the registry. People do this in firefox too, same with using extentions like FasterFox
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6What battle? Firefox ALREADY took IE by storm. IE7 Beta is a sad attempt by Microsoft to catch up witht he competition.
- samstr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Firefox - Good
Internet Explorer - Bad
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http://www.wirah.com - michaelstone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How many open tabs do you have to get 80 mb? 2? 3?
- biofusion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I personally believe that some people need to give other browsers a chance. A lot of Firefox fans already assume that Microsoft's new Internet Explorer 7 will be crap, and not compare to their loved browser. I'm currently running on Firefox, and I've used IE7 on a friend's computer. Microsoft has done a good job with this product, it looks good, and runs smooth (most of the time). Don't get upset that Microsoft released a good IE, it'll only help Firefox push the limits on their future browsers. If you have run IE7 and still believe that it doesn't compare to Firefox, then you are most likely showing some sort of strange bias. It's all good though, bring the good browsers on!
- settsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2RSS integration... extensions/plug-ins... even security... many of you forget that most users don't know (or give a) ***** about that stuff.
what those who read Digg/Slashdot consider "more secure" is different than the average Joe or Jane.
Microsoft knows this. Why do you think they have to be publicly shamed into issuing "patches"?
"We" all yammer about backward compatibility or especially "IE Only" sites, but if a web page works in IE 5.5 why would your Mom change her browser? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2isn't active x a way to install extensions ala Firefox?
- firefoxguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah ever since I installed No Script, Ad Block, and Dr. Web anti-virus all my full system scans only find 3 Cookies that cause any threat, id say that a hell of a lot better than the hundred or so I used to get weekly
- giggins, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2My money is on firefox. It's open source, has extensions and for (I'll take a stab at it and say) 20% of the people how aren't running windows can use it has well.
- GotGoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Websites would not have become compliant to it if rendering engine updates for IE were released.
- oroson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've started using IE7 again the main reason I switched to firefox was the tabed browsing and safety from nasty active x controlls. All of the extensions and plug ins I had in firefox were not worth not being able to use some websites. IE7 isn't compliant to standards but it seems that so many web pages have be come compliant to it. Plus I mean it just faster for me. I have 3 computers and IE seems to launch much faster and return web results faster. Especially when I'm using tabbed browsing. I've even taken my extensions out of firefox to see if that was the problem but I had the same results. I'm hoping firefox will come out w/ something to make me go back because I think it was a good thing for a while. IE most defiantly needs competition. I'll be using which ever provides a fast friendly and flexible interface in the end.
- JohnnySoftware, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Re: "FireFox 2.0 far better. But adblock destroys the economics of the web, and at the we all have to pay for that."
In theory, a company like Google that makes revenue from unobtrusive ads on the side of the page could simply roll out an extension that protected the ads from meddling.
They could bundle that extension with a new or existing one that offers one or more other practical features. They already have a toolbar extension and some others for Firefox. The ads are designed into the page by the page's author so it is not like they are "harming" the page to begin with. They are not particularly bothersome like popups can be, either.
What one extension giveth, another can taketh away. I think the economics will be preserved. -
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