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- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -18/+81@mvprj84:
You seem to have a hint of fanboy in your writing.
I don't understand why there are these browser fanboys. I use Firefox, but I'm not going to deny that IE7 has some good features. And I'm not going to deny that Opera beats Firefox in speed and memory across the board hands-down. Firefox is not a panacea...bad analogy... Firefox is not the God of browsers. It is not perfect and flawless. We should choose browsers on their features, not pick a company and root for it like a sports team.
-Magus - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+44Competition rocks.
- greekgoat91, on 10/12/2007, -13/+51comparing a beta vs a final release isn't fair. But if you compare to Firefox or Bon Echo Beta 1, it's almost even.
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7436/20060804234825wz1.png - Wang, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28Agreed - I am also a Firefox user and unlikely to change, however - the IE7 feed handling is definately impressive.
- entorix, on 10/12/2007, -8/+28"But if you compare to Firefox or Bon Echo Beta 1, it's almost even."
If by "even" you mean "not the same thing" then yeah, you're right. Sure, Firefox 2 will display a much nicer view of a feed than before (the messy xml code)... But that doesn't mean it has feed reader functionality. Which is what IE7 has. And is what the article is about. - i440, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21More people like you on need to exist on Digg.
Unbiased opinions are so refreshing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20never
they stopped with 5 - kevcool, on 10/12/2007, -19/+33I'm with mvprj84. Less of a fanboy and more of someone burned by IE. It would take way more than this minutae to get me looking at IE again.
- paulwilde, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Camino > Firefox on a Mac.
Especially considering Firefox is a port whereas Camino is a native Cocoa application. - sark666, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14@masamunecyrus
"We should choose browsers on their features, not pick a company and root for it like a sports team."
Well in this case, users shouldn't just choose exclusively on features. I've been using firefox since it was phoenix .2, and think it's great although it like any other product has its issues.
But I want firefox market share to grow as big as possible. Not being a fanboy but as firefox gains marketshare, more web sites acknowledge this by making sure their site isn't IE only. And by doing so their site becomes standards compliant as this is what firefox stays in line with.
So I want firefoxs marketshare to become significant enough, that in effect, in won't matter what browser you use, as all browsers that follow firefox are pretty much striving for standards compliance as well. (gecko based like epiphany, galeon, opera, konq, safari, etc). At that point it won't matter what browser you use except then you can truly go with the features you desire. I can't trust IE to staying compliant, but maybe they've already lost enough market share where they have to, who knows, but I still wouldn't trust they wouldn't sway things their way in the future if they gain back lost marketshare with IE 7. Not to mention their security history with IE.
We can thank firefox for more sites being in compilance and users can be on mac, linux and browse with minimal issues. - insomniac8400, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Firefox is the best thing to happen since sliced bread. Without it, IE would be a lot crappier than it is. IE is heading in the right direction only because of pressure from firefox. And without an alternative to IE, the W3C and their standards would have no meaning. IE would be the standard.
- LucasVB, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Actually, while I do use Opera as my news aggregator, I am very disappointed with it. It constantly mixes newsposts from different feeds together and that's really annoying. It's been like this since earlier 8.5. There are no categories or anything of the sort either, so overall Opera's newsfeed capabilities are not good enough IMO. But it's still better than just "live bookmarks".
@greekgoat91: I think the reason it feels "weird" is inertia. You're just used to something and don't feel comfortable with something new. - wwwcoder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It's called right click "view source", there's your raw XML.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Not really. Aside from the very basic two-column with right-hand side menu, it's been developed seperately. In fact, IE7 has a floating menu, whereas Safari just has two columns.
http://media.arstechnica.com/images/tiger/safari-rss-big.jpg
http://cache.lifehacker.com/assets/resources/2006/08/ie7-gtl-filtered-feed-png.png
But moreover, I'd like to see Microsoft start taking ideas from competitors. That's what Japan did. After WWII, they looked around at each and every country, to see who did what best. Then they adopted the surperior way of doing everything from each individual country, and look where they're at today. They have good health care, their literacy rate is phenominal, they have some of the best schools in the world, and they THE lowest crime rate in the modern world. - prattboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Here's what I'm curious about:
Will any of these next generation browsers first allow a page to use its own XSLT file for formatting? If none is specified, will it then use its built in rendering capabilities to make the feed look "pretty"? I certainly hope so, but I'm not holding my breath. Safari 2.0 missed the boat on this one. The second beta of IE7 did, too.
XML coupled with XSLT (think CSS for a feed) is a powerful combination to display RSS in a web-page like environment... but if the next generation of browsers override any XSLT documents by default and use their own display mechanisms for feeds, a lot of XML-based development for the web will be nipped in the bud in its infancy. I wouldn't want my browser to override any CSS layouts and use its own against the web developers' wishes. I'd hope that they would respect the developers' wishes for XML data formatting, too. - LucasVB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5For Opera:
Tools > Preferences > Advanced > Server name completion. It'll be "ca,com". Change it to "com,ca", or just leave it as "com" only.
Opera gets the user's location for primary TLD. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7My guess is that you haven't actually USED it.
Having used this feature being discussed, I can attest to the fact that it is much better and nicer than the way firefox handles feeds.
This parent post is just another lame attempt at trying to feed misinformation, but in this case, I don't know if anyone is actually buying it. - ignorantcow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6.. wasn't it already fixed in beta 1? Along with PNG transparency, support for more selectors and a whole ton of other fixes? ugh.
- KriLL3.2™, on 10/12/2007, -13/+17There is something called extensions, Firefox can beat any other browser out there depending on what extensions you're using, that's the power of open source and software with an easy to understand addon system.
- PoptartKing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Feeds are any kind of syndicated content. Interesting applications include bittorrent feeds for downloading things in series and weather data. What kind of aggregator you use depends on the feeds.
- motang, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Why would need that Safari and Camino are very good browsers.
- ignorantcow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Firefox is anything BUT lightweight and fast ;) Add extensions to the mix and you'll have a nice all around resource hogging beast.
- ziadoz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@Wang
Best comment I've seen all day. - warkro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@LucasVB
thanks, it works like a charm.
Although, I found it at:
Tools > Preferences > Advanced > Network > Server name completion
all the canadians will surely be grateful for this - ascheinberg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Will any of these next generation browsers first allow a page to use its own XSLT file for formatting? "
This is a BUG in my opinion. As they say on the lifehacker page: "The biggest problem I have with Firefox 2 is that there seems to be no way to see the feedburner feed-overlay."
I filed a bug, and the firefox developers apparently think that their own RSS style should be able to overwrite any XML feed with the characters [rss] or [feed] in the first 500 characters. The only solutions is to pad your feed with 500 characters of nonsense, like I've done with my feed here: http://firsttube.com/rss.php - wistar, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Man, do you have a tinfoil hat, too?
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9``This story is just another lame MS attempt at trying to feed misinformation and you're actually buying it?''
That was the lamest attempt at reverse FUD I have ever seen in my life. - bpapa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4actually what firefox does (or, at least it did last I heard) is a google "i'm feeling lucky" search for the word entered in the address bar.
- warkro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3totally unrelated...I have the three major browsers on my comp (IE, Firefox, Opera).
All these browsers should implement the "intelligent address box feature" like firefox. When you type a word in firefox like "digg" it goes directly to the website. When I type "digg" on the address box it uses the Windows live search to give you search terms closest to the word. When I use Opera, it always goes to "digg.ca" (if anyone knows a workaround to this let me know). - gpsblake, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14And there are extensions and 3rd party things available for IE and Microsoft. Comparing IE 7 vs Firefox out of the box for RSS handling, IE7 wins easily hands down. Microsoft haters just can't stand it when MS does something right.
- gmillerd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4There is a greasemonkey script or two that takes care of most of his gripes related to non-existant styles for raw xml.
- chiptinder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There's no reason whatsoever that this should be reported as inaccurate. If the author wants to compare IE7b3 to FF1.5, he has every right in the world to. That doesn't make it inaccurate. Should have been tagged "Ok, this is lame" if anything. Digg needs a button that lets you protest the inaccurate tag.
- bpapa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5what the hell did I get dugg down for? That doesn't look exactly like the Safari interface?
I don't know what's more pathetic, digging somebody down for them speaking the truth, or being a microsoft fanboy. - NoelGallagher, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12". . .E7 handles displaying web site feeds a LOT better than Firefox by default."
By Default. - PoptartKing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3IANA web developer, but the idea of news pages being (transparent to users) made with syndicatable standards as opposed to accompanied by them sounds *very awesome*. Hopefully that ends up working out well.
@ascheinberg: Workaround's hilarious. I'm considering taking your advice. - shakin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Feeds are links to web sites. Using a separate feed reader for them is like using a separate program to view a list of emails than you use to read email.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6motang...don't forget firefox. They have an OSX version.
there's also Shiira, a new Firefox-like browser which uses Cocoa and Webkit and may just win over alot of Mac users. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I can't decide if the author is trying to purposely spread disinformation or if he's just ignorant of Firefox 2's RSS reader.
- akinder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Haha I like how he says 'Firefox is still my browser of choice!" like he's afraid of the mass of OSS/Firefox fanboys coming to his house and burning him at the stake.
- johnist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"IE is good but the thing is that microsfoft doesnt add new features or make a new version in a long time they really just add security patches"
From what i gather Ms may be changing their tune this time around. There was a digg earlier this weak where Balmer admits that they should have tried to release the new wiz-bang features of Vista incrementally, al-la OS X I take it, instead of the uber -release they planned (thus holding up development).
Firefox, and to a much lesser extent Opera, are definitely becoming a threat to MS's market share, and I doubt they'll rest on they're heels as they have done in the past, they simply can't afford to. - LucasVB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@warkro: Sure man. And yeah, I noticed I missed the "Network" in there but I was too late to edit. I hate digg's 1 minute long deadline to edit, it's too short for people with slow connections.
- bball2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why's this story reported as inaccurate? IE7's feed handling is pretty damn good IMO
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Pretty much every (current) browser--even IE6--is better than FF when you compare default features. FF's strength has always been its extendability.
- digiteyes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2truth of the matter is majority of the people are going to use a browser regardless of whether other competing browsers are better or not. Most people know IE because its what came with their computers and many computer users are lazy. Same goes with the mac most mac users will only use safari, why? because its what came with their OS. Now if all these other browsers came by default in all the diff OSe's out there will there be true competition, cos then users would sit down and decide which one suits them better. For now all i can say is IE7 is doing a great job of cleaning up the "Internet Explorer" image, but if Microsoft continues to be close minded and proprietary oriented its going to end up being a dead browser at least to serious computer users. Other browsers are going to crop up and take its market share..
- jeriqo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So you really prefer viewing raw XML files ?
You should get out more. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wouldn't be surprised if it really happened. Nowadays you have to excuse for pointing qualities in any Microsoft products.
People are too brainwashed to think. This is sad. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9looks like that guy never heard of Opera.
- bradkovach, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wait till firefox 2!
- Morky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The reason that MS had to introduce IE7 was that we all started using Firefox and other alternatives. We should keep doing so, even if MS makes a browser that suck less. It's the only way to keep them in check. Firefox and Apache saved the internet.
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