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- bitwiseplatypus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This is a GOOD thing, moron.
- TGMD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes this is a GOOD THING... Why? Because it will be STANDARD and as we all know when Something is STANDARD it works BETTER and creates an easy to use system.... now I personnaly HATE IE I've used netscape up until 5.0 then I HAD to use IE for a short while then I switched to Mozilla then Firefox.... So I am not biased, but this is a good thing...
- daze, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"pretty sure not even FeedBurner feeds will validate as well-formed"
hey genius, if feedburner feeds don't work in IE7, i'm sure the feedburner folks will fix it quickly. XML should not have errors, so this is a good/smart thing, and how it should be done. - rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Aye, this is a good thing. Good for Microsoft and good for every other piece of software that supports RSS. IE has always been too forgiving and we ended up with poorly written websites that do not conform to standards and cause all kinds of compatibility issues. Not to mention, they cripple IE in future version because they don't want to "break" these websites and have to focus on supporting bad code until the end of time.
- stynesteen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Definitely a good thing. It's important to note that there is a difference between a well-formed feed and a valid feed of whatever specification (which they will still be liberal on). If you can't even produce a well-formed feed, then just pull over and blow up.
- GodsHand, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Great news.
- M$Whore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I worked on IE7 during a summer internship. They are NOT creating there own standard.
- organic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Considering how the link with the "well-formed" on the page directs to w3.org, this is a very 'good thing'
- unmarked, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1While I agree in principle that this would be a good thing, I think it is unrealistic. Engineers have to look at the customer experience. As an end-user, I don't CARE about whether a feed is well-formed, if something says RSS, I expect it to work like all the other RSS feeds. If my browser claims to support RSS, but doesn't -- I'll use something else.
I think they should flag feeds that are not well-formed as a first step. Let the user know when a mal-formed RSS feed is found. Then in Vista, they they provide an option (default = on ) to discard feeds that are not well-formed.
And before they start policing for web standards, I'd like to seem them actually support those web standards, like full, correct CSS compliance. - wbrendel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yup, good news...
- whackaxe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1sounds good to me. look at it this way: they could have invented their own proprietry format and called it MSRSS or something :P
- snoza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Why is your feed not compliant?? Bitch when MS is not compliant, bitch when MS is compliant... I think it's good news.
- gabebear, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3While properly formed XML feeds are a VERY VERY good thing I'm still doubting M$'s intentions.
Hell, their definition of "Well Formed XML" may mean it has to be generated by MS Word. - chadpsk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is really good. I just wish they would adhere to W3C CSS standards. It would make the Internet a better place to live, really bring up property values all over the place. But really, it would make everyones a lot easier if they didn't have to do a W3C standard style sheet, a FF style sheet, an IE style sheet and so on and so fourth. GET SOME STANDARDS YOU BUNG MONKEYS!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, i guess Microsoft can't make a right decision now days. Everything they do must be ridiculed. I think this is a great thing, about MS being more strict with XML RSS, how could it not be? It's not like they're going to make their own rules and change RSS compeletly.
- SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1if firefox did this he would say it is great. he doesnt understand it, but microsoft did it, so it must be evil, right?
- billpoly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good news and a good move by Microsoft.
- ColdChilli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wait a minute, you mean Microsoft is trying to enforce/conform a standard?
And your complaining ? - bfirsh, on 02/13/2009, -0/+0Well done Microsoft. Great news from them.
(hell, I never thought I would say that) - OriginalGamer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1eh I like the tab view feature in IE7 and the interface is... ok so far. I'm curious to see how the final versions of Vista and IE7 end up, but I'll be on OS X Leopard anyway...
- Singee15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Microsoft++
- FlyingAvatar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Now if only the BROWSERS could have that option. :)
Seriously, we'd have very few cross-browser compatibility problems if they simply didn't render things that were broken. - Ricapar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Great news. Now if the could only do the same things with XHTML and CSS.
- kwoff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Finally
- frozencaldera, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When am I finally gonna be able to get my hands on this thing. So tired of IE6. Anxious to see how stuff I've made specifically for FF renders in the darn thing.
- RDurfee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is a good thing. Obviously, they've seen what being lax in CSS and HTML has done to their product over the years. From what I read, a malformed feed will generate an error message.
- trex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is GOOD news!
- Jorg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0All you folks that are complaining about this are just spreading FUD.
This is good for everyone. Since MS does not own XML or RSS they do not get to decide what the standard is. If they deviate from the standards, anyone can use normal XML tools to show it and make them fix it.
Even thier RSS extensions (which were needed IMHO) followed the extension process defined by RSS to the letter. Apple on the other hand breaks some of the rules becuse they created duplicate fields which means iTunes RSS feeds are often missing some of the data that would make them valid RSS because the creator of the feed was targeting iTunes directly and knew that iTunes only looks at its extended fields and does not require standards compliant RSS.
If you are going to slam anyone, slam Apple/iTunes for ruining the standard.
Jorgie - Lorian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Great news!
@unmarked: If any browser can get away with now allowing broken code it is IE, if someone writes something that doesn't work in IE they will quickly fix it.
By the way, Firefox already encorces well-formed XML, so, yes, feedburner feeds are well formed - M$Whore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is off-topic of the story, but people in the comments section talk about non-compliance with css. Here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/10/12/480242.aspx
In reguards to "a sad history of leaks and security holes", IE is has also been around for a long time. Now I love Fx and Opera. But PLEASE give the IE dev team credit for trying. - wezzul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They absolutely need to do this same thing with CSS, no matter if they consider it a "flawed" standard or not. CSS2 is the standard. Follow the standard.
WEZ - montek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0+Digg because this is *GOOD* news.
- nickster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Feedvailidator,org is a great way for a person to check if their feed is valid.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0thats not what this is saying this is saying that microsoft will make a standard what everyone will adopt eventually so it could potentially affect the future Firefox, Safari, and Operas as well.
- bastawhiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Its about time someone put their foor down. And I hope they don't support all those old 0.9x versions of RSS. If you can't understand XML or RSS 2.0, then go use FeedBurner (which I believe is valid).
- ashanks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 < ?xml version="Well-Formed RSS" encoding="WTF-8" ? >
:-) - ethos42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I just wanted to make sure people understood a bit of the XML Terminology here:
Well-Formed XML means the XML Parser can actually read it. It has to comply to the most basic rules of XML. Meaning, tags must be nested properly (all tags must be closed in the order they were opened), the document can only have 1 root element, etc.
Valid XML means it can be compared to a DTD or XSD and only the elements specific and the format for those elements exist.
Making IE 7 only accept Well-Formed XML only means it will only try to display those RSS feeds it can actually parse.
This really isn't anything new, all browsers that support XML should realisticly only be able to support well-formed documents as the XML parsing engine should choke when it encounters a non-closing tag or an improperly nested element. - vperez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Heh it's always pretty funny to see people bash MS even when they do something good. :)
- Complexium, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Like....I use Opera for RSS feeds....I don't care about M$IE 7 :P
- pkscout, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0embrace, extended, extinguish. I agree in principle that supporting only well formed XML RSS feeds is good. Too bad Microsoft doesn't do that for HTML. What they did was "support" the standard, then release Windows only extensions to "enhance" the experience, then they made everyone else irrelevant by leveraging their illegally maintained monopoly.
- bitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0IE6 and older = Junk
IE7 and newer will also = Junk
So they might actually comply to the rss standards. Will they comply with the other standards as well? Will they drop their custom IE standards? Will they produce a secure stable webrowser anytime soon?
Regardless of if this is really good or not. I still wouldn't recommend anyone to use IE. At the very least not until a fully independant real world test of its stability, security and features is done. Once the hackers have had a chance to review it and any vulnerablities have been patched, then maybe I'd consider it an option, something that could be used along side firefox, but still not instead of. As it still probably would not have nearly as many features and support for extensions. - Spwarfy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Way TOO MANY people still use IE... and why trust a web browser with such a sad history of leaks and security holes???
- ProAm500, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0laming....this fire bait fraud of a story...
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