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- Okari, on 05/03/2008, -25/+93"Ask the average consumer on the street about Windows and many will insist XP is less annoying, more stable and works just fine, thanks."
And those people probably have never tried Vista. - Topher06, on 05/03/2008, -23/+63I don't know, been running Vista since its beta days and haven't had anything to complain about except early on a few BSOD's from nVidia drivers and some nagging problem with copying large files that were fixed in SP1. I think the problem with Vista is more that its time the PC industry stop accepting garbage computers as the norm and start only offering quality products. I am still running Vista happily on a Intel Core 2 Duo processor I got 2 years ago and a mid-range video card. One of the big things I did was to run a RAID stripe set, which has aleviated all the old headaches I have had with slow application loading and responsiveness even back with "glorious" XP. For $120 you can get a couple of 300gb hard drives, stripe them, and enjoy faster performance on ANY OS.
- joe90210, on 05/03/2008, -32/+71Vista's image problem is restricted to fanboy websites on the internet, I have never heard anyone complain about it in real life
- SsbFalcon, on 05/03/2008, -3/+34Who's computer case is beige these days?
And for the record... Microsoft doesn't make computers... - DephexTwin, on 05/03/2008, -5/+35That's why it's an *image* problem.
- InspectorGadget, on 05/03/2008, -4/+29Isn't this what people said about OS 9?
- inactive, on 05/03/2008, -6/+29“I ask you, how many Apple users do you know that own a 3 year old Mac, and install Leopard on it? The silence is deafening.”
*raises hand/thinks about the many many Mac users who installed Leopard on all of their Macs. - gbarberi, on 05/03/2008, -17/+40In another month or two, I'll give Vista SP1 the same thing I gave Vista: a 30 day fair trial. If it disappoints me again, I'll just put my XP image back on the drive and wait for SP2. And, my hardware is less than a year old. I didn't have any driver issues; I had serious performance and usability issues. Too many applications crashing or not fully functioning, the system moving too damn slow at times, background services eating up CPU at times, and just way too many damn popup messages.
- enchanterku, on 05/03/2008, -3/+23I really wish I could dig you down more.
- Hardac, on 05/03/2008, -4/+22I've used Leopard on old machines before and it isn't bad other than it is optimized for the Core 2 Duo instead of the PPC. I'll probably get dugg down for this but isn't each revision of OS X faster than the one before?
- inactive, on 05/03/2008, -13/+30I don't think vista is "that bad" but when you put xp, or linux on the same computer you see a dramatic speed increase for daily tasks. The same reason they won't install Vista by default on computers like the Asus Eee pc , can you imagine trying to use it on the Eee?
- Ratteler, on 05/03/2008, -14/+30Simple.
1) Admit you made a mistake by supporting what your corporate partners wanted instead of what your customer wanted.
a) Admit that IS what you did.
b) Admit it was WRONG!
2) Pull out ALL your DRM.
3) Embrace real standards and stop trying to force ones down our throat because you THINK they will addict us to your products.
That's it. Stop that... and you know what happens? You've actually STOPPED being the bad guy. Then your customers will start coming back. - idigital, on 05/03/2008, -6/+22Rename it iVista.
- Vegabondsx, on 05/03/2008, -8/+24I work for the Computer Science Department for my University. *Trust me*, people complain.
- HigherLogic, on 05/03/2008, -8/+24Allow me to take you back to 2001: "Ask the average consumer on the street about Windows and many will insist 98 is less annoying, more stable and works just fine, thanks."
- Topher06, on 05/03/2008, -25/+40Strange, have the same philosophy and results when I try installing Linux once a year.
- KnightWhoSaysNi, on 05/03/2008, -5/+20Well, charms are notoriously unreliable.
- inactive, on 05/03/2008, -11/+24Exactly.
- SsbFalcon, on 05/03/2008, -3/+16AH... Devoted userbase is the bad part....
They're usually the easiest to satisfy, meaning that you don't actually have to make a good product... - rasmasyean, on 05/03/2008, -2/+15Crysis isn't a game. It's system stress tester program.
- inactive, on 05/03/2008, -8/+20That will never, ever happen.
Thank God. If there's anything worse than Microsoft, it's Apple. - luchid, on 05/03/2008, -0/+12So you're saying I should disregard Microsoft's supposedly good security measures?
- Dylson, on 05/03/2008, -4/+16I have actually. I was at my cousins house and she knows nothing about computers. She just got an HP laptop with vista home premium and said she likes the looks but hates the fact that it has vista on it. I couldn't believe it.
- desuexmachina, on 05/03/2008, -9/+21It isn't your responsibility. If you don't want to spend money on hardware then you're not obligated to use the new operating system, MS is not forcing you to do anything. I have friends who are still using 98SE, they run crappy old machines to check their email and complain when they can't watch Youtube videos without choppiness. They live with their old hardware and make sacrifices.
Microsoft is not responsible for making sure you invest in staying current. We went through these exact same arguments when XP came out, about how you couldn't run it on your old computers and now the same type of people are saying how they want to stay with XP. - dudeguy1234, on 05/03/2008, -7/+19Then you do not know a person over age 25 who owns one. All my older friends, parents, and such have horrible problems with it. Why is there an incomplete driver set out of the box? Why, for example, does the start menu search close if you hit close? It's not insurmountable, just annoying as hell, especially for those who aren't computer-literate.
- Nossie, on 05/03/2008, -2/+13sorry but vista went backwards..
OS's arent meant to slow down on new hardware... and compared to what vista does against the competition (linux, os x, insert competition here) blows the arse off vista performance wise on very old machines...
Vista runs on my macbook pro (c2d 1 year old) like XP runs on my FX52... Put Vista on the FX52 and after a month or two its like stirring ***** with a stick.
Now, considering how little I gain from running Vista other than a pretty skirt and stupid proof security that should have been there since NT began....
Why dont I just run XP on the macbook pro and have god knows what performance boost? Not like you get any extra fps playing games.... and it has now become blatent MS has been trying to force Vista on users via DX10
Or I could just continue doing what I have done... just stop using windows '.' *shrugs*
ymmv, but I dont believe I'm the minority ... I lived through the 'pretty era' with ME and the 2k style icons... I aint doing it again with Vista until Windows 7 (or XP in MEs case) comes out.
Lets put a little perspective on it...
I use a 450mhz G4 PowerPC cube w/ 1.5gb of memory as a server.... it came out around 2000... I installed tiger server and it ran not great but good enough for my vnc'ing needs... I installed leopard server and it ran not great but still faster than tiger for my vnc'ing needs... it just sits there and runs 24/7 serving pages, music, downloading torrents etc...
I'd love to see Vista running on almost 10 year old hardware respectively and doing it faster than XP - ucg1, on 05/03/2008, -4/+15I installed Leopard on my G4 Mac Mini which is exactly 3 years old. No problems there. Of course my main machine is a Mac Pro.
- whiteguysamurai, on 05/03/2008, -6/+17Make it cheaper?
If people are willing to buy it, they might actually see it's not as bad as people say.
Actually, People... It's a pretty good OS, it's not perfect, but no OS is.
It's just simply "pretty good". - SsbFalcon, on 05/03/2008, -1/+1195 wasn't anything near good... neither were any MS-DOS based Operating Systems(Win 3.11, 95, 98 , ME)(though 98SE came close...)
I just hope that this time Vista is truly bad and we won't have people say after Windows 7 is released that Vista was actually good... (who remembers the XP sucks days? comeon? I wasn't the only one alive then... comeon... someone... anyone... WRYYYYYYYYYY) - Cglass, on 05/03/2008, -3/+13Dell Vostro 1700, Vista working perfectly here, would not go back to XP on this machine.
- iplayyouandme, on 05/03/2008, -6/+16Be fore warned that Microsoft count saless of XP as Vista sales, since you can downgrade under the license. So if a company wants 50 copies of XP, it buys 50 of Vista and installs XP instead. So much for Microsoft's sales figures. Meaningless propaganda.
Our school has banned Vista in our labs and rolled back to XP. - jmarkgraf, on 05/03/2008, -8/+17Yeah, because I don't want to go out and buy cheap hardware. I wanna get ripped off by apple.
- Lewie, on 05/03/2008, -3/+12I occasionally work at a networking company (doing mundane things), and no one there likes Vista; most can't stand it. They just got a few new computers with Vista pre-installed (only the "pre" part still took over an hour to set up), and after a week the boss came up to me and said "Put XP on these." The best I got out of anyone at that company was "It looks nice".
- fiveprime, on 05/03/2008, -3/+12I tried Vista for a few weeks back in March. I had the same problems that gbarberi had. I have a machine that's about a year old. It should run Vista fine - It's supposed to run Vista fine - but it doesn't. Vista became impossible to use because both Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer eventually started crashing constantly. I tried both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Vista too. I wanted to like Vista, but now I don't. I reinstalled XP and now everything is running fine.
- sirbeta, on 05/03/2008, -3/+11Devoted user base? Is that Apple slang for rabid fanboy?
- sirbeta, on 05/03/2008, -1/+9You'll (and I'll) get dugg down but it's more or less true. I've rarely seen anything of what everyone else does, and if I do see it, it's usually nowhere as dramatic as everyone makes it out to be. Vista booted up very fast for me, shut down pretty quick, and my only issues that has caused me to revert to XP for the time being is the drivers for some of my hardware was absolutely ***** (thanks Creative for hacking together the Audegy 2 ZS Vista drivers and not even allowing simple things like Surround sound) - the other issue was my video card was very entry level (GeForce 8500GT) and games didn't run quite as well as I'd come to expect. It's a simple machine. Core 2 Duo 2.33ghz with 2 gigs of ram.
In my case to say the least, my problems haven't necessarily been the fault of Vista. It was either me being cheap (the nvidia card) or companies like Creative that would rather you just buy a new card with drivers that actually work instead of supporting a card that they were still selling when Vista came out. - MrCoke, on 05/03/2008, -4/+12lets continue to waste resources to make insane computers to run vista instead of utilizing the hardware that already exists... to do what we can already do. xp will do anything I want, even ubuntu will do almost anything I want on a P4 2.8 HT with 2gb of ram. in fact i'm typing this on this computer, playing music, chatting, and doing everything a normal user would expect. Enjoy Vista, I dont need it.
- trutek, on 05/03/2008, -4/+12DO YOU REMEMBER WINDOWS ME? It was a piece of ***** os. MS stood behide it for like 30 seconds. It was a bitch to support. and everyone hated it. Vista is the same thing. MS should stop ramming crap down peoples throats. if it aint ready for market don't sell it. I've had to wipe and reinstall every new computer our company has bought for the last year and it's getting old. I just got a dell xps 1530 and there is no driver for the sata controller, so a xp install is proving to be quite the pain. Now don't get me wrong, I'm no MS hater. I think their sever os's, xp, 98, and many many other things to come out of Redmond are great, but come on ME and Vista are insults to us all.
- trogdor282, on 05/03/2008, -9/+17That's idiotic. Why is it my responsibility to spend more money on hardware just because MS can't get their ***** together?
- frsrblch, on 05/03/2008, -6/+14DX10 was SUPPOSED to be more efficient, allowing your GPU to do more stuff. DX10 was SUPPOSED to bring better graphics without a framerate hit.
What we got was a barely noticeable improvement graphics and massive framerate loss. Can you blame us for being a little underwhelmed? - Enasni1212, on 05/03/2008, -1/+9A truer word has seldom been spoken. When I see the word "Crysis" written, it's usually in connection to words like, "FPS," "graphics card," and "system specs," instead of words like, "fun," "innovative," or "game."
- mehan, on 05/03/2008, -2/+10How the ***** can you blame Microsoft for the manufacturers' inability to make sure that the hardware that they sell has the drivers compatible with the operating system that they put on that hardware.
- afx1, on 05/03/2008, -6/+14"and they both have the same amount of ram!"
which is....? - akcoder, on 05/03/2008, -4/+12Well, I'm giving Vista with SP1 a trial right now, and I must say it sucks. I was even in the middle of writing a blog post on the things I didn't like about Vista, when it locked up and I had to reboot, loosing my blog post.
Just as a side note, I'm on my third non-software install/update reboot of the day under Vista. I'm not impressed. - jmarkgraf, on 05/03/2008, -1/+9Then they'd be apple.
- Lewie, on 05/03/2008, -5/+13You mean:
OSes that can only run on certain hardware, good Tech Support if you buy the EXTRA $99 Applecare, and devout cult members that would buy anything Steve Jobs sells, including his own feces. - Kanidia, on 05/03/2008, -1/+8I am so convinced! I'm going out to go buy a non-Windows computer right NOW!
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