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- billmania, on 10/12/2007, -7/+231/3 the memory usage
All the good FF extensions are built in
email/RSS client works great
no need to update extensions
1/3 the memory usage
Just a personal preference here, not trying to start a flame war.
Either is light years ahead of IE anyway - bharder, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17No one asked about firefox dude.
- psxman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10If what the article says is true, it works natively in Opera9, too, but Gmail doesn't realize it.
- Arve, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9schwal: Have you even tried Opera?
* Everything in Tab-Mix plus is built-in to Opera
* Most of the Google toolbar is either built-in, or has easy-install alternatives (GMail notifier can be done either in a panel, or as a widget ( http://my.opera.com/customize/widgets ), and pagerank is a bookmarklet)
* Live Bookmarks is not a proper RSS reader. You'd have to install sage.
* Try a weekly Opera build: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/ -- the ad blocker is built right in, with a really nice UI - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10What the $%#$ !
So gmail is sniffing out Opera.
Whenever i see something wrong with Microsoft's webpages I try changing the ua.But never though about doing that with google.
Really, this is pretty sick on Google's part.
And schwal please keep thouse noobish comments out.Did you even read that article?
~ Indyan
http://www.pallab.net - Arve, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Extensions? Have a look at these two pages of Opera alternatives: http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/01/opera-and-firefox-extensions and http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/09/opera-and-firefox-extensions-ii
( People have started asking me to write a third post in the series, something I'll probably do pretty soon ) - silverSurfer84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I use Opera. So do a growing number of people. I definetly prefer it to Firefox.
- BruceCLin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I switch to Opera from firefox last year. Start up is faster. Tab manipulation is much easier. And I just cant surf without mouse gestures now. Which is why portable Opera is always on my USB stick where ever I go.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Opera is the fastest browser I've seen. I've used it for browsing sites with some really strenuous java applets that crashed IE and FF and it handled it great! Don't get me wrong...i still use firefox daily.
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http://www.shoutcentral.com - miclill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Opera rocks. Haven't taken a look at the newest version but in my opinion it's the best browser. The only bad thing is that it isn't open source. ;-( Perhaps one time in the future...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5how does not being open-source become a bad thing ?
the thing is, it works great, open-source or not. - Yogurth, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I guess by Your list that You actually haven't tried Opera then. Too bad, writing about something You don't really know nothing about.
- person, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Looks like Opera 9 supports Gmail now, Google just needs to add their UA on the supported browser list (which probably won't be until Opera 9 Final comes out). ua.ini is handy.
- Emperial, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Anything that mentions Opera gets a Digg from me :D
- takeda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why don't you use IE?
Most popular doesn't mean best. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5or you can do it in one step :
install google talk ;)
but then again, your suggestion is stupid - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3funny how they got a firefox logo :P, and yet they write something about opera...
- psxman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They might be sniffing out Opera, or (more likely) they might be sniffing out Mozilla and IE and telling everyone else it won't work. It's not that they're actively conspiring against Opera, they're just ignoring that it exists altogether.
- takeda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I guess I'm the oposite. I have both FF and Opera and I tend to click on Opera 99 times out of 100 :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You can mask your id in opera 8.But i dont think that it supports gmail's advanced features.So it probably wont work.
There is a file called ua.ini. Either you have to manually edit that or else install a separate plugin.
Install this http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=87728
Or else do it manually and use option 4
http://operalover.tntluoma.com/day_9_uaini#options
But again I dont think that this wil work.
So just grab the latest version of opera.
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/203529
~ Pallab
http://www.pallab.net - babumuchhala, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well if u say its a wate of time for Gmail to check the UA, to distinguish between Opera 8.5 and Opera 9 the how does it give out Rich Text Editor in Opera9 and not in 8.5
And also it was after a Story telling that Google was not sending GZIPs to Opera inspite its support for it for ages, Google enabled it. So I suppose if google wants to support the Chat feature in Opera 9 it ca suerly do it.
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babumuchhala :D
http://www.muchhalasworld.uni.cc - bab7880, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree ... i was once a pampered puppy and used IE then found out that I could do something else to screw M$ by using FF and then I found Opera after falling in love with firefox --- I still have reasons to use all three ..gmail just doesn't work quite that well in opera at all (my just be my P3 600 MHz Micron --taking donations-- ;)
I love Opera so much more than either FF or IE --I feel that each has their own advantages ... firefox eats my resources ... so does IE ... I have never had a major problem with my big O other than pdf support... but then i just save and open in adobe separately or copy the link into IE (b/c it opens faster for me than FF)
As for which is the best ... I humbly side with Opera ---oh---and my dumb ass couldn't get this to work right --- dunno - tsupersonic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Opera is a great browser, but there is always an urge for me to click on Firefox. I don't know why, but I do like many of its features.
Many people do care about Opera, and I say use what you want as long as it's not IE. - peanutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Opera 9 Tech Preview 2 has got better ad-blocking, and it stable too, I use it everyday now. Though the original post is about a weekly release, I am not sure about weekly releases they might not be stable, but gotta try.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Fx also doesnt have an ad blocker.
Fx has adblocker and Opera also has that.It's called OperaAdFilter.
http://www.operaadfilter.com/
And now opera has content blocker so you can block ads with a single mouse click.
~ Indyan
http://www.pallab.net - dickyducky, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4hey dude!! Opera 9 is NOT out yet!! those are technology previews / nightlies which ARE NOT intended for daily uses by non-geeks!!
- vanlandw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Any progress on Safari and gmail chat?
- Carnevil, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've been running Opera9 since February, on FreeBSD6 and 7 and gmail runs just fine.
- tapo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not that I know of, as Safari isn't exactly the best browser when it comes to AJAX support. Besides, if you're running Tiger, you can just use iChat to login to GTalk.
Works fine in Camino or Firefox though. - schwal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2it's slow on everything. not just an opera problem.
- esbjorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm using unix build 197 (released 29 March 2006) on Ubuntu Dapper and it just wont work.
I have javascript enabled and java environment v1.4 (I think).
Anyone else got it working on linux? - Shinglor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1psxman, I'm sure GMail include Opera support of chat when Opera 9 goes final. It's not really worth their time checking the user-agent for specific unreleased version of a browser. IMO they should just make an option to force chat on rather than relying on user agent strings.
- takeda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe you don't have some libraries installed or something.
I had that issue with (I belive it was Acrobat), after running from the terminal it showed me what libraries are missing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2No.That is not true.
Gmail does identify Opera.And on identifying Opera it sends the advanced mode of gmail (xmlhttp).If it finds a browser it cant recognise it sends the basic html mode.
~ Indyan
http://www.pallab.net - esbjorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Opera's ad-blocking in their latest weeklies and preview build is just fantastic!
You right-click anywhere on the page and select "Block content..." and then you just click on anything that you want to block, and it removes it from the page, simple as that. - krampo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Works both on Mac and Linux, but kind of slow (logging into GTalk and showing online contacts).
- takeda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What PDF problems do you have? I didn't saw any difference between Opera, IE and FF.
It works well on all of them (at least for me) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I dont have any problem posting a comment over here.
- XsolidusX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Why would anyone want to use GMail Chat in the first place?!
Even Alex Albrecht makes fun of GMail Chat. So if you bury this.
You bury Alex.
:( - Veloxi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, this works well, thanks!
- code_of_life, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This does not work with the latest build 8367 as of 5/4/06
....Another reason to wait until Opera matures - takeda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually I don't see much difference in stability between Opera 9 TP and FF or IE ;)
- xtremesniper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What about Opera 8? Is there really no way of getting this working on 8? Doesn't it also have the function to mask as another browser?
- person, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2As evident on sourceforge, being open-source doesn't automatically make a piece of software good. It just means that the author allows other people to modify their code, whether it be junk that does nothing, or something useful and pretty (in the case of firefox). I don't see why everyone is discrediting Opera becasue it is not open source.
What really gets me is when people use the excuse that Firefox is better than Opera because it is open source, and that person themself doesn't modify the source of Firefox. It's all the same if you don't go in there yourself and modify it. As far as that goes, Opera's more open source because of the control over its ini files. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Previously Opera used to save pdf files instead of opening them.I think thats wht he meant.But however that behaviour could be easily changed.
There is even an article on this in the official knowledgebase of Opera.
http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=155
I suggest that you get the latest version http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/200577
~ Pallab
http://www.pallab.net - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You are just showing your ignorance.Most of the features Fx boasts of were actually first incorporated in Opera.Remember that Opera is a 10 year old company which has many firsts to it's credit.
- spacebar14, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dude, the tech preview, its leaps and bounds better then the stable - even if it duz crash once in awhile!!
- mvprj84, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Your welcome, glad this appears to be helping a few people.
- liava, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> And schwal please keep thouse noobish comments out.Did you even read that article?
Your comment is rather "noobish" as well. The Google folks probably realized that chat is broken in Opera, so they disabled it with the UA check. When Opera 9 is released (or possibly before that), they will most likely remove the check, or, more likely, enable chat for Opera 9 or later. It is not Google "conspiring" against Opera, or even not knowing it exists. It is Google trying to make sure that it works properly with Opera.
If you really want it fixed, file a bug report. Odds are they will listen. - liava, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@person - You are confused.
There is simply no way you can argue that Opera is more open source than Firefox. To do so is a fundamental misunderstanding of open source. Open source is not a relative term - software either is or it isn't.
The point of open source, and the reason it's beneficial, is nothing to do with code quality. It is to do with freedom. For example, if Opera were to go bankrupt tomorrow, the browser would die. Firefox, OTOH, is not tied to Mozilla in any way. Furthermore, if I don't like something about Firefox, I have the power to change that; whether or not I exercise that right is not important.
You could also argue that there are more tangible benefits to being open source as well, such as the "more eyes" philosophy to prevent security bugs. Currently, Opera is the most secure browser, but one wonders how much of that is "security through obscurity" because 1) Opera is not open source, so analyzing it requires significant effort, and 2) nobody puts in this effort because so few people use it. That argument doesn't hold for Firefox because #1 is false. -
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