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- stationwagon, on 08/01/2008, -3/+143This IS good news. It's a surprising turnaround for FFC Chair Kevin Martin, who's always given big media corporations what they wanted in the past.
I was surprised to read Martin's statement, which shows that he understands the issue well:
***In his statement this morning, Martin compared Comcast’s blocking practices to allowing the post office to discriminate against mail “Would you be OK with the post office opening your mail, deciding they didn’t want to bother delivering it, and hiding that fact by sending it back to you stamped ‘address unknown – return to sender?’” he asked. “Or if they opened letters mailed to you, decided that because the mail truck is full sometimes, letters to you could wait, and then hid both that they read your letters and delayed them?” ****
There's still a long way to go to make net neutrality the law, and I'd urge everybody, who hasn't already, to go to http://www.freepress.net/media_issues and read about the issues (if you're not as familiar with them as you'd like to be) and get on their email alert system. - alapoet, on 08/01/2008, -5/+112Yes!!!
- bluepill2, on 08/01/2008, -2/+94A battle was won, but lets avoid giving the impression that the war is over and we can all stop worrying about this now and go back to our lolcats. We can't. Comcast is not giving up, neither is any of the major coms and we still need to keep up the pressure to preserve Net Neutrality. Don't let up!
- inactive, on 08/01/2008, -3/+49Good news but don't let your guard down.
- MasterThief117, on 08/02/2008, -4/+44"Already, more than 1.6 million people have contacted the FCC and Congress to protect Net Neutrality."
And I was one of those numbers.
Look what we can achieve when we come together and work for a cause. We still need to keep calling, and keep writing to make sure nothing else pops up in the future. - CoolHandLuke70, on 08/01/2008, -4/+41Power to the People. We have the power. Let's not forget it or give it away!
- Armor1901, on 08/02/2008, -8/+41***** THE RIAA
Seemed to fit - jodimcmullen, on 08/01/2008, -5/+25Yahoo. Freepress.net... a great outfit that looks out for our internet and the whole media mess. I donated to them and hope you will also if you can, even $10.00 to help these heroes. I can't do anything on my own, but they can and are.
- Dundasbro, on 08/02/2008, -1/+17I'm impressed, that's actually a pretty good analogy.
- wgailmor, on 08/01/2008, -3/+17Sweetest words seen all day --- "punish Comcast!"
- waxoff, on 08/02/2008, -1/+15Digg the above comment up. Celebrate tonight, but tomorrow morning be prepared to to go back to battle. The war over Net Neutrality has only just started.
- fireashes, on 08/02/2008, -3/+16This battle is won. But, the war has just begun.
- RyanBlack, on 08/02/2008, -2/+15Soon a nuclear war will result - and the war against the machines will begin.
- Horhay1234, on 08/01/2008, -1/+13Check out some highlights from the FCC meeting where the vote took place: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVJm8H5KcZY
- noob09, on 08/02/2008, -2/+14HELL yes... show those damn ISPs who's boss...their CLIENTS
- sirellyn, on 08/02/2008, -2/+13We are even close to victory yet, but it's wonderful to hear this piece of good news.
- aargh01, on 08/02/2008, -2/+13Check out the Brett Glass comment below the article... he actually claims by stopping Comcast from throttling traffic, the FCC is "fettering" the internet.
Oh, he also claims it makes bandwidth management impossible, but ignores the fact that they throttled unlimited paying customers. Bandwidth management is fine, as long as the customers get what they pay for!
And he also doesn't seem to think that throttling P2P restricts access to content. Huh?
I love Comcast-funded trolls...
Asshat. - bullioncube, on 08/02/2008, -4/+14Absolutely historic. This will go down in the books and children in the future will read about this and remember the day the net was won.
Oh yeah... they won't - hospitalcio, on 08/02/2008, -2/+11I donated $10 too:
https://secure.freepress.net/site/Donation2?df_id= ... - hospitalcio, on 08/02/2008, -1/+9It seems my Comcast connected SlingBox was not getting blocked today. Anyone else?
- OnlyGirlOnDigg, on 08/02/2008, -3/+11Now I can distribute Linux without being persecuted!
- JoeLeo, on 08/02/2008, -0/+8I think some of you don't realize that the telecoms are behind this. Land line telecoms, who deliver Internet access, generally don't compete in the same area against other telecoms - they compete against the cable companies.
If the cable companies were as smart and savvy as the telecoms they could probably crush them when you consider how much more bandwidth you can move over coaxial cable compared to twisted-pair.
Kevin Martin is very quick to take decisive action and punish the cable companies, but relatively quiet when it comes to taking action against the telecom companies.
Take a look at who has the biggest lobby in DC and you'll see why the telecom immunity bill was passed even by some liberal members of Congress. If you've every dealt with setting up an SMS short code you'd see that the wireless companies can allow or block what businesses do over SMS, arbitrarily. - DeathJux, on 08/02/2008, -3/+10Why did you "sign" your post with a username different from your own? Why did you "sign" your post at all? Do you ever find yourself thinking "Man, I really wish I could read this person's username twice" over the course of reading a post?
- colincornaby, on 08/02/2008, -1/+8"If the mail that I was sending contained items that broke the law, I could hardly complain if the post office refused to deliver it. "
BitTorrent traffic doesn't break the law.
MP3's could be distributed through HTTP too. Should Comcast do blanket throttling of HTTP "just in case"? - noPCtoday, on 08/02/2008, -1/+7its always the best time to say it: "yeah baby, yeah yeah.. i'm coming.. aw yeahhhhhhhh ***** the riaa!!"
- pedepy, on 08/02/2008, -1/+7Yes you might even say they are providing us clients with a service.. An Internet service.. Internet Service Providers!!!!!
- pintomp3, on 08/02/2008, -0/+6as of now..
- bjornski, on 08/02/2008, -0/+5Mine haven't been blocked for months.
- pedepy, on 08/02/2008, -1/+6do FCC rulings have weight in other courts of law?
- GregFD3S, on 08/02/2008, -1/+5The key part of this event, is its precedence.
- FreshPineSent, on 08/02/2008, -1/+5And we shall win it without the use of a gun.
- colincornaby, on 08/02/2008, -2/+6Really? I use BitTorrent to download Linux, and World of Warcraft (a little game that a few people play, you may have heard of it) has BitTorrent built in to download updates. And lemme tell you, it's a pain in the butt when my Comcast connection throttles down on those things.
As I said, HTTP and FTP as funnel a LOT of illegal traffic. Should Comcast ratchet down on those protocols too? - Incomp3tnt, on 08/02/2008, -0/+4They were throttling ALL bittorrent traffic, whether it contained copyright material or not. As I'm sure you know a lot of independant software developers use torrents as a way of distributing their products, to avoid costly expenditure. Comcast was hindering these developers' business.
- JKAL, on 08/02/2008, -2/+6Although I'm glad on the outcome,
but this analogy seems to have left the door open for a rebuttal,
where Comcast can come back with "however the post office does not allow for contraband to be freely delivered, so in their defence they would be guilty of negligence, if they know it is contraband then they are obliged to act and stop it, much like the post office does."
We need to come up with a more full proof analogy. - colincornaby, on 08/02/2008, -0/+4"You can ship a letter "first class", "priority" or "express" - all have drastically different pricing and have a different level of service attached to them. "
And ISP's are free to charge me for the speed of access. They should not be allowed to charge me for what I put in the envelope. What do they care?
Packets are packets on the internet. And Comcast needs to stay out of my packets. - modingo, on 08/02/2008, -0/+4Time to take an anti-depressant buddy.
- PeppermintPig, on 08/02/2008, -0/+3The market can, if we let it. Or the state can subsidize the growth of monopolies and then pretend to be the heroes by punishing them in a public manner to gain the praise of the people.
- MrSparkle666, on 08/02/2008, -2/+5Huh?! I'm completely astounded at Kevin Martin's statements. I had had him pegged as a complete corporate tool! I mean, this guy ranked in the top 3 of my biggest government douchebags list. (and that's a long ***** list) WTF happened? It's like if Bush suddenly came out attacking big oil. Did I wake up in bizarro opposite world? My head hurts...
Indeed a great victory for the net though. - Kyan, on 08/02/2008, -0/+3fool proof.
- AndrewDB, on 08/02/2008, -0/+3Yes.
- DreadReaper, on 08/02/2008, -7/+10This is excellent news! However, I believe we should not be too hasty in congratulating ourselves. This is simply the first battle of the much larger war to come. These megalithic telecommunications companies will not surrender their usurped power so easily. We have wounded them yes, but we must also be prepared for when these companies to begin regarding the net neutrality movement was a legitimate threat. It is up to all of us to continue the fight to save the Internet from prejudice and censorship.
-Dread_Reaper - peaceninja, on 08/02/2008, -2/+5locojones, skype and other technologies use p2p technology. comcast was blocking those from my understanding. the consumers pay for their internet connection, let them use it for whatever they want.
child pornography is illegal to trade online (well anywhere for that matter), does that mean that ISPs should throttle all exchange of image files? there's technologies to help eliminate child pornography and if the ongoing fight against piracy wins, then technologies will be developed to fight piracy. - modingo, on 08/02/2008, -0/+3I'll feel more confident when laws are in place to keep this kind of activity from happening in the first place. This FCC ruling/punishment will certainly slow down companies like Comcast for awhile but it won't stop them. You can rest assured they'll go back to the drawing board come Monday morning. Profit is quite the motivator.
As far as confidence in the Government?....LOL - Kristijan12, on 08/02/2008, -0/+3I am interested in what an average guy can do to help fight for net neutrality?
- inactive, on 08/02/2008, -2/+5this has been a good day for the internet
- RyeBrye, on 08/02/2008, -0/+3The USPS would charge you more for it, and you would pay for both the delivery and the level of service you want. You can ship a letter "first class", "priority" or "express" - all have drastically different pricing and have a different level of service attached to them.
I'm all for net neutrality - but the post office analogy is horrible because the logical extension of it is "Hmm... we should charge per packet and charge more for packets to be delivered quickly!$!$" - and that is certainly not how I want to pay for my internet. - Pusod, on 08/02/2008, -0/+2GET A LIFE *****!
- MtheoryX, on 08/02/2008, -0/+2The internet is not a dump truck. It's a mail truck, and a series of tubes.
- Pusod, on 08/02/2008, -0/+2I D K
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