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- radicaldementia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+88If google is the wallflower, then myspace must be the fat girl who gets drunk way too quickly.
- hello2usir, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30I'd say MySpace is rather the little Miss Social Butterfly who judges her own self worth based on how many weekend party invitations she gets.
- kakwakas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23...
*goes to make an account* - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20http://www.orkut.com
It may be one of the least popular social networking sites on the Internet, but at least Google is trying. Believe it or not, this whole web-domination thing ain't easy. - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main?q=orkut&url=http://www.orkut.com/
Orkut Alexa Rank: 24th
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main?url=www.facebook.com
Facebook: 64th
That's right. Orkut is more popular than Facebook. Sure, it's not more popular with _english speakers_, but eyeballs are eyeballs, right? - penwen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12They all suck,
go out of your house and meet new people.... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18Seumas: Shouldn't you be posting that to Slashdot for all your other out-of-touch nerds?
"Who cares about instant messaging software, we've had IRC for decades!"
"A cell phone? They've been using walkie-talkies as far back as World War 2!"
"A blog? What's a blog? I've had a webpage back in the 90s. It's called GEOCITIES." - krisper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9It remains to be seen at this point whether social networking sites like Myspace are going to last out the decade. Look at what became of places like Tribe and Friendster. Right now, there's just no point trying to compete with Myspace, and my bet would be that there'll be an inevitable backlash against it. I think we'll see the Myspace culture fracture into dozens of competing social networking options, with years passing before any winners emerging who have any real staying power. Plus, we don't know the extent to which nanny legislation is going to ruin networks like Myspace, now that parents see it as a combination porn festival/terrorist recruitment vehicle. It may be that the party's almost over. Or not. In either case, it's just not an entrepreneurial area that's worth getting into right now, and the folks at Google are probably smart enough to know it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7According to Wikipedia, 3% of the population of Brazil is registered with Orkut. Now, considering that Brazil is a highly industrialized and very populous nation, why the hell wouldn't this significant penetration of the Brazillian market be worth something?
- glafira, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Anti-Social my ass, it lets you share calendars.
- logic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Dugg for using the phrase "porn festival"
- rockingrhino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Orkut is the most popular "social networking" site in Brazil. For whatever that is worth.
- helikopter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6oh, it means everything. EVERYTHING.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5[quote]Who cares? Social networking sites are frigging retarded. I have a social networking tool that I've been using for 15 years. It's called EMAIL.[/quote]
My social networking tool is a bottle of Tequila. - robohoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Does MySpace take emo headshots of herself?
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Yeah trying is the key word here.
I disliked myspace so I tried Orkut and its offline more often than any other social networking site. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Instant Messaging advanced us and offered us new features.
Social Networking sites revert us back to the days of separate BBS systems and offer nothing new. An address book? A place to say things? A way to email each other? Wow. Ingenius.
And even worse, they're not really much more than a bunch of goofy attention whores patting each other on the back. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"If google does try to enter the social friends website game..."
Did you even read any comments above you before you posted this? Google already has such a website: Orkut. - sigma419, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5If you have Firefox and Greasemonkey, there's a script that lets you disable all custom layouts on MySpace.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Frankly, I am glad Google doesn't try to compete with Myspace. I hate myspace, its not fun anymore, I mean its a novel idea staying in contact with old friends (debatable) you've long forgotten, but I can not stand the ridiculously ugly page layouts people apply to their pages. If google does try to enter the social friends website game, I hope it does so with a nice clean ajax interface, I would use it and promote it if that were the case.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Yeah, is it just me or are 80% of the people on MySpace and other social networking sites insecure attention whores who have "social anxiety" and "panic attacks" and take more prescribed drugs (anti-depressants, etc) than Keith richards takes hard core drugs?
And I'm not trying to belittle them either. You don't have to read many social networking pages for individuals before you start running across entry after entry where they talk about their effexor or welbutrin or prozac or whatever else... some of them even discuss trading theirs with other people through their sites! And they're always whining about how hard it is for them to go out in public and how they get panic attacks when someone says "hi" to them.
I mean.. holy crap... scary what this world is turning into. - treak007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3nerdy? I think not, try intelligent. When will people learn that no one cares what you ate for dinner or who you are going out with? Myspace.com and livejournal.com are wastes of server space and bandwidth. The whole "social networking" trend is a waste of ip addresses.
- korteenea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The whole idea of a "social network" actually means that some social interaction must be going on. If you're on MySpace friending everyone with a nice ass and who breathes, you're not *actually* doing any social networking, are you?
Orkut's strength is that it's closed. It's the ultimate in-scene, and as a result a far better example of social networking than MySpace could ever hope to be. Google doesn't need to "jump on" the social networking scene. They're already doing it 10x better. - Don_Quixote, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"orkut is unique, because it's an organically growing network of trusted friends. That way we won't GROW TOO LARGE, too quickly and everyone will have at least one person to vouch for them. "
From orkut.com 'Join orkut' page - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"And why do they have them? Because with Myspace and stuff, they aren't learning social skills..."
It's not a matter of learning. It's a psychological disorder. Fear is very difficult to "unlearn".
Don't you have fears? A fear of heights, for example? Of confined spaces? Anything? ONE process of "learning" to stop being afraid of this, which you specifically mentioned as the ONLY process, is called "exposure treatment". Unfortunately, while proven successful in some cases, it doesn't work for everyone.
So, please. Stop your whole arrogant shtick and accept that each individual person has different behavioral traits and psychological states that, even with extensive therapy, will not make everyone feel and behave the same.
Of course, if you're a Scientologist, then at least I understand why you incorrectly assume that psychological disorders are imaginary and can be easily overcome. "There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance, bla bla bla..." - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What kind of "friends" are you trying to meet on MySpace? For little kids and teens, I can understand, but what does an adult want on a site like that?
Seumus is right. We've seen all this before. It's BBSes and IRC taken to the web. Ok, it's got more functionality, but it doesn't bring people any closer together.
Hmm, maybe that's not right. I know what these sites remind me of: those 1980s teen party lines! Yep, that's exactly it. When old men used to go on them to talk to young girls and be fooled by 300 pound S&M transvestites into thinking they suceeded. - bluemech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think myspace has the market on social "networks". As much as I hate myspace and woudl actually love to see it fail, creating competing social networks defeats the whole purpose of them. If you spread out the users they all become less and less useful. I don't see any other social network really generating a noteworthy profit at the moment anyway, so why bother?
- slater, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Too bad Orkut is overrun with brazilians.
- ellisgl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The social networks came up from a brilliant idea and then modified. Friendster anyone? Myspace took it too a new level. All it is a meat market, advertisement area (paid or non paid - IE bands) and a way for teens to try to make a social click or clique of I'm better than you because I have 130093248e324 friends and my section of their site is dazzled in my picture (or whom ever) of their bods, videos, music and an awful CSS wanna be design.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Why must Google be a social site? Google can destroy overnight most of the social sites on the net by introducing their own social bookmarking system. Bye bye delicious and all the rest. Bye bye YouTube if Google adds those features to Google Video. Even MySpace could be under threat, Google already has email and multimedia, plus more bandwidth and storage than some countries have.
Maybe this is what the article is hinting at, but I am glad Google has not chosen to be a menace to the internet tubes of America--unlike certain companies I could name. They're sticking to their "do no evil" mantra so far, let's hope it lasts. - fiv3isaliv3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4wtf is Google?
- awhiteflame, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4> going out to meet people and battling social phobias (which many, many, many people have)
And why do they have them? Because with Myspace and stuff, they aren't learning social skills which, the lack of them create such 'phobias'. - kevbob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, Orkut's weakness is it's infrastructure is a steaming pile of poop. Maddening "no donut" errors, disappearing scraps/user accounts/communities/messages, excrutiating slowness- it was a lot of fun once... for about 5 months and then the things just got so bogged down by late '04 it became more trouble than it was worth to visit. It was an "in scene" for maybe about 2 or 3 months- by summer of that year, you pretty much could get an account from anyone.
- micro506, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It...it just hasn't found the right person yet!
- evilpanda, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Google takes a wait and see approach in many areas and likes to provide incredibly simple tools and techniques. If the features that mySpace offers turn out to be significantly popular then Orkut will add it. If maintaining and implementing the features proves far too troublesome and doesn't provide a comfortable user experience then they're likely not to.
More importantly the simplicity of Google's other websites may hint that Google may be holding Orkut development back in order to keep interactions on the site easy to pickup and learn for many users. Of course, it might be too simple as Orkut is now widely used as a method of initiating contact to deal drugs. - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"What's with all the MySpace bashing?"
We thought we left those kinds of web pages back with GeoCities in the late 90's. We're really scared that they might spread beyond the confines of myspace. An outbreak like that could be more deadly than a tiered internet. - sailor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh, and someone who has a Myspace account has "friends" spare me.....I have a novel idea for you, get off your computer and actually make some friends.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1[quote]It does assist in meeting people and communicating, and it's nice to see the energies of those kids dedicated to attempting web design rather than something more destructive.[/quote]
LOL. "Attempting" web design, not actually doing anything with it.
But besides blinding web design, the teen with an inclination for trouble won't be helped by MySpace. It just makes their juvenile delinquency even more efficient.
For adults... MySpace seems a little embarassing for an adult to admit to using. And I'm sure there will be sites in the future that fill that need. - RemoteSojourner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There are many Indians too on Orkut.
- keithmcbride, on 10/12/2007, -10/+10my guess is that you don't have many friends then
- callingshotgun, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I think the reason they don't jump on this, honestly, is because they understand the weight they carry.
Imagine if they permanently rigged del.icio.us into their ranking algorithm. A maniacal surge of bogus delicious accounts would spring up, all linking to the same bogus adsense-loaded sites. And because of this, not only would the rankings escalate higher, but services like delicious would become about as useful as typing "mp3" into altavista.
Not too much.
Google's motto is do no evil. And whatever they do that gives any sort of web phenomenon (like social networking) the ability to carry weight in google services, somewhat begs for that phenomenon to be exploited to the point of ruin.
I know controversy has sprung up here and there around the big G, articles about how the world's honeymoon with Google is over, etc... But I think they still have what's best for the internet at heart. That being said, if you're as heavy as google is, it's best you tread carefully. I think that's just what they're trying to do. - qthrul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How wonderfully myopic and USA focused. Check out this graphic from back in Oct 2005:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcuthrell/51967329/
Just because news.com isn't following non-gang related Brazil doesn't mean Google isn't in the YASNS mix. - NoSuchAgency, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think they have the "best interests of the internet at heart" because what's bad for the internet... is bad for Google. This sounds like I'm slamming them but think of it... if Google is thinking of the long term instead of only their next fiscal quarter, they are one of the few corporations who does so. I think that since Google became THE way to search the web, they've realized that if they played the same short-term-gain ***** games that many corps would in that situation, they could screw up their good thing VERY quickly.
- ajxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0these 'cartoon characters' are just ugly people.
- phatalbert, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1What's with all the MySpace bashing? Sure most of the sites are ass ugly and unreadable but it serves its purpose fine for its users. It does assist in meeting people and communicating, and it's nice to see the energies of those kids dedicated to attempting web design rather than something more destructive.
- bjorkbjorkbjork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0One builds "a network of trusted friends" on Orkut? My ass. Rather, the site's merely an orgy of fake Brazilian accounts adding each other. I'm exaggerating, but if you're ever on Orkut, look at how many "friends" the typical Brazilian has, and how many of them are cartoon characters of some kind, and you'll get what I'm saying. Orkut used to be interesting, but most its interesting interactions moved to Tribe over a year ago.
- jacenat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Is it being smart or just plain nerdy?"
what if being nerdy IS smart?
-_- - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0[quote]Believe it or not, this whole web-domination thing ain't easy.[/quote]
When you've got relatively unlimited bandwidth and storage, it's pretty easy! - ynggrsshppr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Google isn't nerdy and antisocial, whatever that is supposed to mean. It doesn't NEED to try and overtake Myspace and Facebook. It owns the most popular and profitable search engine on the internet for crying out loud.
- pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1So I take it if you had the worlds largest communist country staring you down you would fight to the death? OHH LORDY! Damn those illiterate communists and such.
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