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- verucasalt, on 10/12/2007, -9/+37Next up.... MAC OS X vs. MS-DOS
- ksgant, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Interesting. This story was both on Digg and Slashdot. Just looking through the replies here at a glance, then looking at the replies at Slashdot, I kind of get a feeling about both sites.
Here at Digg, most of the replies are (and this is unscientific, I didn't actually count), seem to suggest that pine is ancient and Gmail is the way to go between the two. At Slashdot, I noticed that it's almost the opposite, saying how great pine is and how Gmail can't compare.
Anyway, just thought it was interesting about the difference of majority opinions between the two sites. - sundancekid503, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Pine is for n00bs. I read my email in binary format. This modern "text mode" crap is just fluff. Whatever happened to encoding your emails on a punch card? Much faster IMO!
- jakeg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15maybe it is just me, but this guy seems like he's a bit more hardcore about his email than your average person...
- Eldoo77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Next up... PICO vs MS-WORD!
- Genius16, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13here here, its impossible to compare the two. comparing PINE to GMAIL, is like comparing RADIO to TELEVISION. respectively...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Pine and Lynx baby .... Pine and Lynx. If I need a gui I'll watch television.
serriously, I've worked with engineers that only use the two... - mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Are you REALLY rolling on the floor laughing out loud?
- admirabumblebee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Use opera 9.0 beta (my.opera.com/desktopteam) and set site prefrences to identify as IE on gmail. Significantly better gmail experience in opera than IE or firefox like this :)
Either way, So many commments by folks who aren't familiar with the simple power of pine. Vi v. word is a joke. Unless you need pretty clipart or super fancy art, vi wins hands down in any case... - uptown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"However, since I work at Google..."
'least we know he unbiased. - Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Exactly! I don't get why as a UK user, I can't use the GTalk-within-GMail feature for example, without switching languages to US.
Hell, it's the same base language really. I admit the US' hate for the letter 'u' does get annoying, but adding them in doesn't take months! - brownspank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Perhaps it would make more sense if he titled it "What features from Pine would benefit Gmail" or something similar.
- olliholliday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i think he's spot on with his comments tbf
it does seem like google have stopped updating gmail altogether.... and it sucks even more that i still have to put it in US English mode (and thus lose the spell check feature) to use the features they put in about 3 months ago. - krewemaynard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5well, he DID go back to pine, and he does still work at google. :) can you imagine an MS employee posting about Outlook's shortcomings?
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8No, mahogany makes the most outstanding furniture...wait...nevermind.
- logic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Um, if the article is "too nerdy" to read, you probably won't be using pine.
This is digg....there are plenty of legitimate reasons to bash the articles, but "too nerdy" isn't one of them. - Unicyclelarry, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6We don't hate the letter "U," you guys just have a weird "U" fetish. Now, one thing I don't like about American English is putting punctuation inside of quotes, what's up with that?
For the sake of being on topic, my only major complaint with Gmail is the same as Alex Albrecht's: Gmail loads much slower than it should. It's not as bad as the Yahoo! Mail beta, but it's still seems slow to me. Who knows, maybe I just have a slow Internet connection... - dr00dfv, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8LOL!
I love how people make generic non-scientific opinions about how 'If anything, that means Digg users are less biased and more well-rounded computer users than the Slashdot crowd. That's a plus in my book."
Please...have you seen the headlines here? At least we have stats to back up this statement--"a good portion of digg's userbase are teenagers that can't write a headline (none-the-less) without grammar problems."
Does that make this any less relevant, probably not, but I think you can tell who is more 'well-rounded' just by the way people type their messages and actually put thought in them....If I had to guess, 90 percent of the digg userbase doesn't even know what Pine is... - twollamalove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5If anyone uses Opera and Gmail, they should try it in FF. I much prefer to browse in Opera, but lately I've decided that Gmail in Opera is just too spotty. Here are some oddities I've noticed (I only noticed these in https (and I did use the plaintext for a while, with no trouble)):
* Very often, when clicking on a MSG, I cannot open it. To correct this, I must first mark it as read
* When sending emails to craigslist anonymous email addresses, the text comes out garbled (does not do this in FF or Opera in plaintext Gmail). This one is very strange, but it happened several times.
* Gmail is VERY slow in Opera compared to FF.
So, if you use Opera, you might as well use FF to access Gmail.
This I feel is a fair beef with Gmail, as many sites have dynamite Javascript (AJAX too) support for Opera. Google is a large enough company and Opera is a popular enough browser. They can't keep me as a user forever just be calling it Gmail BETA indefinitely. - gollo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well considering most developers code using emacs (another non-gui in the traditional sense app) it only makes sense to use a CLI for your email since you wouldn't have to boot into a GUI (chances are they don't even have one installed)
- djdole, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Keep in mind that Pine is an old program (circa 1989), created when graphical Internet wasn't so prevalent.
It's also commonly used for terminal/ssh/rlogin for email/newsgroup checking on remote machines, which often don't support graphics.
Info if you like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_%28e-mail_client%29
http://www.washington.edu/pine/overview/project-history.html - iliketurtles2, on 11/20/2008, -1/+5But how do you view the image in Pine? ;-)
- Koldark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Great article. I fully support many of his complaints about Gmail.
- TheSolomon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3dr00dfv- Speaking of grammar, nonetheless is one word. ;-)
- bulletseed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4What? You mean there's ppl who don't visually interact with their email???
OOOOH, my bad, i forgot about BrailleMail. - diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3pine is ok. mutt is way better. then you have have muttng with extra goodness.
- spunkz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4anyone have a screenshot of Pine?
- Synthetik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This could have been added to the bad or the ugly list. Gmail won't let you attach an .exe file even if it's zipped! You have to rename it to .foo or something. You can only insert an image as an attachment, not in the body of the email.
- webdwarf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I prefer Mutt over all graphical, text and web-based clients.
- JoshuaWood, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5No the real head to head match is vi versus MS Word.
- oshu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually, strictly speaking, pine is a TEXT MODE email client. It is a full screen app with menus and such, not just a tool for the command line, like cat, for example.
- longman2g, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4its a safety feature, its much better to disallow all exe files than to accidentally run some malicious code
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Pine sucks. Back in the 80's it was state of the art -- when we didn't have a choice, but it's painful to use today.
- ErrandboyOfDoom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Gmail is protecting me from what, from accidentally downloading, unzipping and then executing things I receive in my email that get past the virus and spam filters?
- AdamCo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Not only did he go back to pine, he wrote bad things about gmail too, not only good things. Actually he wrote more bad things than good things, so would that mean he's biased AGAINST the company? I doubt it. I'm not quite sure where you were going with that comment.
- krux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You can have pine launch attachments if you're running under X.
- madeingermany, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Very comprehensive gmail review - really nailed the points I found after my use (even when I didn't switch from pine).
The poor filter support is my major concern, too. - krux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Pine is great. Gmail is also great. But they're totally different animals. It's like comparing excel and word. Sure you can do the same thing with either one... If I wanted write a book with excel, I could, it would be a pain in the ass, but I could.... similarly if I wanted to balance my taxes in word, it's possible... but not the better tool.
Gmail has a nice graphical interface, it makes it possible to read an entire thread on one screen.. has some cool wizbang features. You can do some simple filtering and tagging. However it is lacking in other features I expect from my email client.
With pine, I can filter my mail with custom perl scripts and esentially automate anything I want. I have it integrated with gnupg for encrypting/decrypting/signing messages, I have folders... come on google, we get it you're new a different, but I need folders. It's a quick down and dirty mail client, that gives a unix hacker such as myself far more control over his mail than gmail ever could.
Do most people need to be able to parse through their mail file using regular expressions? write scripts to automatically file/forward/reply to email based on any rule set you can program for? No, probably not. But for those who do, pine is very powerful. - ErrandboyOfDoom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ grinning fool:
It's not only sometimes, even fragments in quotations will steal the punctuation from their containing sentence.
http://www.englishrules.com/writing/2005/quotation-marks.php
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_quote.html
Yes, it makes you quote things imprecisely; yes, it's stupid. - statmobile, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I suggest that you also look at the beauty of a text-based email client such as mutt:
http://bigstory.homelinux.org/images/mutt.png
http://bigstory.homelinux.org/images/mutt2.png
I think GUI apps are great, but there is a time when I just need to get my work done. I don't want to sit around grabbing my mouse in the middle of a conversation. Now don't forget that programs such as mutt have the ability to use other text editors to write your emails. I can write awesome (text based) emails completely organized and formatted quite quickly when composing them from emacs. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Safety? Then, what GMail's virus scanner is for?
- zeth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You should try GMail with the latest Opera weekly releases. It works great, and I at least have not had any issues at all.
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/ - Intertron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4http://email.about.com/library/ec/pi/blpi_pine.htm
Hope your eyes don't come out of their sockets. I'm glad you asked this so people can get a real idea of how ancient Pine is. - bulletseed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Great, after writing the above comment, I got curious and googled for that...
Braille Mail *does* exist after all! ... and it just had to be a UK blog.
http://www.newstatesman.co.uk/nma/nma2006/blog/archives/2005/01/27/braille-mail/ - spacebar14, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Is there anyway to use Pine to get your Gmail?
- AdamCo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That's definitely a man that enjoys his email
- bmw@, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2> If I had to guess, 90 percent of the digg userbase doesn't even know what Pine is...
That's my impression too. I think Digg is where you tend to upgrade to when you outgrow myspace. ;-) - kowgod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1mutt v. pine, now there's an article worth reading. although, to me mutt always seemed more of a replacement to elm.
- krux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm a die hard pine fan. I have a gmail account, but it just forwards to the account I read with pine. Gmail is the absolute best webmail client I've seen, and has some pretty slick features, but it's not enough to get me to switch... and there are some annoying things which I fundamentally have to have. For example I'm a reader of nanog, bugtraq, and a bunch of other high volume mailing lists.. but I want to keep each list in it's own folder... I can tag them with gmail, but damned if I couldn't find a way to create a folder... there are labels, which are nice, but I don't want all that mailing list traffic in my inbox.
- djp2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was a pine bigot for quite a few years, it was fast and flexible. Throw in some procmail cleverness and huge amounts of email would be easy to chew on. I even got into pc-pine so I could have just a swidgem of gui-ness (and use gVim to compse emails of course). Every now and then when I have to telnet somewhere it is soothing to be able to bring up pine.
But I have converted to gmail and will probably stay there for now. Google will archive my email for me and I don't have to make backups or worry about how much storage I'm using. The speed is great (although it does kinda slow down every now and then :( and the keyboard shortcuts are nice.
Still, gmail has the weight of google behind it so will continue to evolve and I hope get even better and better for power users. -
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