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- saisumimen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18"It's Google that is keeping MS honest."
Well said. You gotta hand it to Mr. Gates though, he's a slippery bastard. Then again, it's a requirement for all corporate heads these days. - bazac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Excuse me while I choke on my cornflakes!
Gates keeping Google honest? That's a bit like Bush keeping Blair from invading nations without thinking it through... - starmanjones, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12thats funny. lets see... microsoft the biggest monoply thug in the history of humans... are going to keep google... the company that so far has earned my respect for their political stands and their populist leanings... honest?
wow. thats laughable. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"in the sense of being able to do better in a number of areas."
Like evil. Not to bring in the slashdot google-fanboyism, but seriously. Whatever plan Google has where they fudge the definition of evil a bit, Microsoft will do it harder and eviler. - zirtbow, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11I disagree as your average Joe will never sit down and do something as complex as 'install an OS'. I tried out Ubuntu a little while ago and was very very impressed at how easy it was to use and setup. It was overall faster on my older machine than XP even. Even then its not like anyone is going to 'upgrade' to that because A) People generally don't know about it. or B) Installing an OS (no matter how easy) is just too hard for 'most' people. Before everyone jumps on my junk about how easy it actually is I just want to mention that at work/other places I've met several people that have problems with all kinds of 'easy' things. One guy could not figure out that the X in the upper right hand corner is what closed IE... would you expect him to be able to 'upgrade' to a GoogleOS or Ubuntu....
Windows will remain dominant because it comes pre-installed on everything and the majority of people are too stupid to change. - babbling, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The only way Gates and Microsoft are going to keep Google honest is by setting an example where Google will point to Microsoft and say "we're not, and don't want to be, like them".
- slippery, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Thankfully, Google is around to keep Microsoft honest, because the U.S. Justice Department failed in that regard.
- silenceHR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Cause MS wants big chunk of what Google is making with its search engine?
And cause Google is prolly _ONLY_ company that could push Linux into desktop if it comes out as GoogleOS.
Google brand is prolly most powerfull brand currentlly. - ronaldb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This is my favorite story of all time... (sorry for paraphrasing Kevin...).
I think Bill means "We'll make sure Google is not lulled into a false sense of security, like we were with Internet Explorer. We'll make sure Google will practice what they preach, unlike we normally do with product anouncements."
And that really deserves a digg! :) - stark23x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The thing is, Google wouldn't release a *nix distro unless it was easy to install and use. So that kind of negates your point, it won't suck for 95%. It will be a lite, easy-to use OS designed not for power users but for your mom.
That's a big market if they can do it right. - walugi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5A true businessman! Gotta respect Gates for his manipulative skill. Really getting to work on those average joe's who still have msn.com as their homepage.
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Google provide a search, Mircosoft provide the world with software
why do these 2 compaines even appear in the same story? - martindale, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6It'd really be funny if they got into a "We've made more mistakes, we're learning from them more..." war.
Microsoft is NO LONGER NEEDED. There is no longer a place in today's world for installed apps, particularly Windows or Office. Office is Microsoft's true power: And they've lost it. - 6say6ten6, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4yeah then i guess "honest" to bill gates mean changing my internet search options to MSN whenever i get a new update...... Gates is just mad because other companies are treading on his carpet and frankly he hates the fact that its not his mud on the carpet
- zootm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well, to be fair, the way he puts it he's not actually wrong. His wording is misleadingly aggressive though.
It's quite good that we've finally gotten to the point where companies can *compete* with Microsoft now, though. In that sense, Microsoft have just recently been made "honest", and the resulting competition keeps all the companies in the fray that way. - rtwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Shareholder friendlyness-wise, though, between Microsoft and Google, I'd pick Microsoft. Besides the fact that MSFT is now under or fair-valued and Google is still ridiculously overpriced ;).
MS treats its shareholders like owner-partners of the company. Regular google shares have almost no voting rights. Effectively, the google management used the shareholding public to raise a lot of money (a LOT of money) rather than actually making the company public. Basically made the public as a source of free funding that they gave very little back to. MS actually sold ownership out to the public.
Both companies have spurned Wall Street to some extent though, and I like that. :)
Edit: I forgot the obligatory: I love google and its products, I just disagree with their shareholder policies. :) - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4since when is microsoft capable of keeping ANYTHING honest? if anything, the government should be keeping both of them honest when they step out of line
- babbling, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I was thinking "uh, no, it's the other way around!" and then clicked the story to comment, but saw that many other people have already pointed out that Gates lives in upside-down world.
- sadsac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Thank God for Bill Gates. Without him the universe would be void of honesty.
- stark23x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"harder & eviler" Love it. New slogan for Vista: "Your OS, harder & eviler."
- miaow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3a bit cheeky to blame the leaders. he probably chose them, including ballmer.
- Elohir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3>Gates: Microsoft will keep Google honest
In related news, the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe; all mimsy were the borogroves and the momeraths outgrabe. - hiro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Nothing will keep Google honest, it's far too late for that
- dan90251, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Microsoft will kill Google (though I really hope not) it'll happen with Microsoft embracing and extending search and integrating MSN search deeply into Windows and Office. It'll be with Microsoft building more and easier to use API's especially for use with Visual Studio and .NET.
- jdonner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Google, THE spy king of the future. How can people be so stupid to love these guys....
- Karyyk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well if that isn't the dwarf calling the midget short...(yeah, yeah, I'm insensitive bastard, but the pot/kettle thing is so overdone).
When you have this many people worried about you in every corner of the tech industry, you've got to be doing something right. This is why people love Google, they do their own thing, despite what those who supposedly dictate where the industry is going tell them. Microsoft, eBay, Amazon, PayPal, the telcos, how many people are quaking in booties (or at least constantly watching their rear-view mirror) thanks to the little search-engine-that-could turned geek wet dream that is Google? - jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4i doubt you'd see microsoft screwing over it's advertisers in quite the same way as google has recently with the click fraud shinanigans that have been going on. And this isn't some small amount of money that has been fraudulently been generated, whilst google idly sit by and watch the cash flow in.
http://www.digg.com/links/_Google_Condemned_For_Click-Fraud_Settlement_
http://www.marketingshift.com/2006/04/google-clickfraud-settlement-issues.cfm
google aren't quite the 'do no evil' company that they want people to believe they are, and whilst microsoft are hardly angels, they have been very good of late, and at least it's leader is donating exceptionally large quantities of hard cash to charities, and good causes, whilst all google's leaders are doing is getting exceptionally rich whilst they openly, and illegally rip their advertisers off.
"over the last four years, click fraud resulted in more than $5 billion of losses to advertisers and probably more like $10 billion." - evilTak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's a tshirt or a bumper sticker: "Microsoft: We do it harder and eviler."
- letmereplynow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2well....*insert Microsoft linux/apple fanboy comment*
I think it is good that they are admitting to mistakes and i think it is good that Google is pushing Microsoft to be the best it can be since no other company has been able to do that. But Google itself is getting too big and there is needs to be someone pushing them too. - miaow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3brand name is a major reason why the oblivious choose a product. they trust google brand now as much as microsoft brand name. probably moreso.
- stark23x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2In reply to turgor: No, I don't think so. See, all Google has to do is stay one step ahead and they automatically innovate. Plus, if they watch Microsoft and avoid everything MS does online...Google wins and stays honest doing it.
See, it's actually true, just not how Bill thinks it's true. :) - Dotnetsky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I think it's unfortunate that whenever this kind of subject pops up, there is a stream of comments basically motivated by anti-Microsoft sentiment. Both companies have their strengths and weaknesses. I think its more important to look at the progression of the technology and what it all means to you than to engage in idle Microsoft-bashing (or Google-bashing, whatever your persuasion.). Grow up and add some fyookin' value, d00ds.
- GruntboyX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This thread has gotten completely off the topic. The survey was to point to region. Not who is the best news source.
Its impossible to create unbiased news. Some due a better job of others, but for most part it is difficult as an editor to be subjective and not let your personal bias in. Some are better than others, but for most part you will always have slightly left, right news sources. And odds are if you believe they are central or unbiased you just agree witht he bias that news sources present. - greenagain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Bizzaro honest?
- dist0rti0n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1There is zero chance of google shipping an OS anywhere in the near future. Its simply not an arena that they want to be involved in. The main reason they are so successful is that for all of their products they have a "take it or leave it" attitude. They don't have to stand behind anything. Don't like google search? Go to Yahoo. Don't like Gmail? Fine, go get Hotmail. Don't like google groups? Its just beta anyway (like nearly all of their products, which again alleviates them from having to stand behind it).
If they released an OS then they would suddenly be held responsible for data loss, accessory compatibility, etc. Why work so hard to chase that dollar when the advertising money is piling up faster than you can count it? - nferrier, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I've always thought that the power behind MS was they're legion of fan programmers. A lot of people _love_ being an MS person. As long as we've still got people like that cranking out ASP webapps and Access databases and little VB apps then we're going to have an MS.
Incidentally, I think that's how MS got powerful in the first place, selling really good developer tools quite cheaply. - R0BBiE, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1bill gate is a true business man... its like fk you ... now i win ... but i dont want to look like the evil guy so i think we should say sorry to google now, you are great!
but too bad i still win so ner
maybe that will make us look kool? :) - cr0wley, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@martindale "Microsoft is NO LONGER NEEDED"... you are really funny but how about THINK before talk?
- silenceHR, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Well, GoogleOS would be ral pain in the back for MS. With Google's name and support it might be THE thing to get Linux into desktop (since it is Ubuntu based). OTOH, i am not that sure Google is going to do anything before Vista ships out, i think they are waiting to see what kind of impact Vista might have on their business (since MS will prolly integrate as much searching as possible into Vista).
As i see it, Google is preparing to fight back if MS tries to bully them out of their main money source. It would be interesting to see who would win that battle, cause Vista and its almost insane hardware requirements might not fall too good into corporate sector.... i just dont see companies queing up to buy new computers just to run "fancy" looking Windows.
Interesting times ahea. :) - captainjy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"Well, GoogleOS would be ral pain in the back for MS."
Let's be realistic. The very idea of GoogleOS is a joke. Linux has been free for years and MS still hold the majority market share and will continue for many, many years. Whether you like it or not, MS is here to stay and will remain very strong.
As for Google, again, let's be realistic- Google is hype. Other than search, what is the point of Google? Oh wait, the name sounds really, er, different. GoogleMaps, you say? Please. How often do common people use GoogleMaps, one, two times a month. Oh wait, Google is going to replace Ebay. Uh, yeah. But then there's Froogle, but why use Froogle when you can get better deals on Pricegrabber.com? Really, Google doesn't offer anything more or better than anyone else. And like MS, Google built on existing, orginal ideas, but are trying to do it better because they have a cute name. Quite honestly, this Google nonsense is just that. - trylleklovn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I severely doubt that google ever will release an OS.
Google så far has only made gtalk themselfes, all other applications were bought and modified.
Everything else they've made is web-based. - tafdc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.
Yes, he's black just like you.
What's that you say? I'm sorry Mr. Pot, you are indeed as black as Mr. Kettle. - Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3I hate these posts about GoogleOS on threads that have nothing to do with it. Just because a *nix distro may get Google's name on it, wouldn't make it any less crap for the 95% of users out there.
Digg users: You are not the majority, get over yourselves.
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