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- Dustmuffins, on 11/20/2007, -4/+53Are*
- demodawid, on 11/20/2007, -4/+51This time I can load a Digg page without having my browser stall for 5 seconds!
- stunod7, on 11/20/2007, -0/+41looks like adblock plus works... i'll use that instead.
- GodsHand, on 11/20/2007, -1/+34The final OSX theme will be in the next beta, and available as an add-on for beta 1 shortly.
- Yogitw, on 11/20/2007, -0/+30Supposedly they were working on fragmentation issues. Something about diminishing returns on leaks.
- UtahApocalyse, on 11/20/2007, -17/+45is the memory issues solved in this?
- GoingPostal, on 11/20/2007, -0/+22I can't use Yahoo mail with it. I get some odd login error. I know it is only beta. Other than that, it does seem speedier. It virus scans your downloads too.
- monkeyrun, on 11/20/2007, -1/+21Look like some of the memory leak issues are fixed. :)
- stunod7, on 11/20/2007, -2/+21Now adblock needs to get updated and I'll be happy. Seeing all these advertisements makes me sad.
- aleclerc, on 11/20/2007, -0/+15AdBlock Plus works no problem.
- Dested, on 11/20/2007, -0/+15I cant believe how much faster digg runs.
- uzero, on 11/20/2007, -0/+15I'm using it, it has some bugs but it feels significantly faster than 2.0.0.9
- Haroldx, on 11/20/2007, -1/+14There better be an option to disable that. I don't want to scan all my stuff that I download.
- xXMetalJesusXx, on 11/20/2007, -3/+15I personally don't mind the look of it on Mac OSX...I couldn't care less about aesthetics of it, I'm just happy it seems to run a ***** of a of faster than the last version. And it even loads up pages that would previously crash Firefox for me.
- GMorgan, on 11/20/2007, -6/+18What they mean by diminishing returns is there aren't any actual leaks. Memory fragmentation is another thing. I wish people would shut up about memory leaks because they do not know what that term means clearly. We have had endless time wasted by amateurs trying to sound clever because they heard a technical term and used it only half understanding what it means.
For the general case it uses too much memory because of fragmentation. Most actual memory leaks are caused by extensions but dealing with these issues becomes problematic because of the bad signal to noise ratio caused by idiots shouting 'memory leak' when what's really happening is a case of fragmentation or even simply the result of caching.
Personally I never use more than 100MB on Firefox but I do turn it off before I go to bed clearing the cache in the process so perhaps that's the difference.
Fragmentation is, unfortunately, more difficult to deal with. A compacting collector is one option, a custom allocator is another.
//edit - before someone mentions "Opera caches and it doesn't use memory like Firefox!", Opera uses native widget sets on the platform it runs on. Firefox uses XUL, people should learn to live with that fact because they aren't going to change it any time soon.// - mckirkus, on 11/20/2007, -1/+12I was writing a comment about how fast and great is was when it crashed after using up 600MB of RAM for two web pages. No hard feelings, it's a beta, and it was great while it lasted. Looking forward to FF3.
- j4200, on 11/20/2007, -0/+11The memory leaks always came from the rendering engine. Welcome to Cairo. A vector based rendering engine new to Gecko 1.9. Hardware acceleration is leveraged in Firefox 3. The entire leaky faucet has been replaced. Only time will tell, as this gets deployed over many different platforms, if this rig will be memory tight in all the sorts of conditions.
- Kidane, on 11/20/2007, -4/+13downloaded it this morning, was using it to surf my state's dmv website (no web 2.0 here!)
http://nickforsale.com/stuff/firefox.png
i'll stick to 2.whatever for now - Tenoq, on 11/20/2007, -1/+7"...so it's a pretty nasty tradeoff for a browser that has nice OS UI integration."
That's exactly how I feel about Vista. :-) - Prez, on 11/20/2007, -2/+8Alphas generally are there turd burglar.
- MioTheGreat, on 11/20/2007, -5/+11Don't feel bad. It's pretty ugly on Vista too. But so is Opera. (And don't get me started on Safari for Windows.) The only one that looks good is IE7. But of course, it's IE, so it's a pretty nasty tradeoff for a browser that has nice OS UI integration.
- GavinZac, on 11/20/2007, -2/+8why are people listing which sites are broken? That is because of the site's bad designers, not because of Firefox 3. Firefox 3 passes the ACID2 test for 100% compliance with W3 standards.
- greatcaffeine, on 11/20/2007, -3/+9If you care about speed, use Safari.
- Quix, on 11/20/2007, -0/+6"Million issues???" I don't know which sites you're frequenting, but I rarely run into rendering problems in Safari.
- willyummy69, on 11/20/2007, -1/+7i just opened 17 tabs and its still using less memory than IE that only has one tab open. but then again, when i close the tabs the memory usage is still taking quite a while to go back down
- Ancestor, on 11/20/2007, -0/+6It depends. Some extensions will work fine and all they need is bumping the compatibility declaration. However, many APIs were changed and extensions using them will need quite a bit of work to be updated. For instance, it's a good bet that most extensions relating to bookmarks, history, or downloads will be broken, because these APIs were completely rewritten.
- Xsecrets, on 11/20/2007, -0/+6strange that you say there are no memory leaks, but from the article
"According to Mozilla, over 300 individual memory leaks have been plugged and new architectural features, like the XPCOM cycle collector, have been added to combat memory waste." - Roger, on 11/20/2007, -4/+10You're 12 right?
- acdcfanbill, on 11/20/2007, -1/+6I actually had a problem, after a couple hours my memory useage jumped to 800+ Megs, while on 2.0.0.x I've never had any problems.
Other than that, I really like it, its very fast with many tabs open. - monkeyrun, on 11/20/2007, -0/+5Holy crap, memory usage went down on it's own.
but there's some minor rendering issues. - fabioakita, on 11/20/2007, -1/+6Will most 'well behaved/well coded' extensions from Firefox 2 work on 3 or this represents a break in the extensions API and we will have to wait for Firefox 2 specific versions?
- Stevo23, on 11/20/2007, -5/+10Jesus, am I the only one who doesn't care if an app is "ugly" as long as it works well? Seriously, what is with Mac OS X users and being obsessed that all their apps have the same style of buttons? If you're that concerned, just shut up and use Safari.
- cephelo, on 11/20/2007, -1/+6It didn't get "leaked". You can download the nightlies from the public FTP site, as always. B1 was frozen a few weeks back, it was well-known it was frozen, however Mozilla declines to mark something as a true "b1" until it's passed some basic tests (which occurred last week and last Friday). For instance, I'm writing this on 3.0b2pre (lead up to Beta 2). Some of the bugs in b1 are probably already fixed in b2pre, although I haven't checked which.
- drakia, on 11/20/2007, -1/+6http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h23/Drakia13/Fir ...
Yeah, I don't think that it's fixed. That was after about 2 minutes, just logging into iGoogle - schnikies79, on 11/20/2007, -0/+5Check out these OS X themes. They looked great on my g4 ibook.
http://takebacktheweb.org/ - FoolsRun, on 11/20/2007, -0/+4The in-GMail GTalk windows don't have names at the top under FF3, instead there's an ellipses ("...") in the place of a name. Odd bug, and super annoying.
- morguth, on 11/21/2007, -0/+4Rather than just saying not recommended, how about you explain why it isn't recommended?
- secleinteer, on 11/20/2007, -1/+5Wow, that's pretty crazy. I never see Firefox go above ~200MB. But I'm running Linux - maybe this is a Windows only issue? I hear some weird stuff happens on that OS.... :P
- j4200, on 11/20/2007, -2/+6Thats not how you find memory leaks. Good try though.
- DrSpud, on 11/20/2007, -0/+4Yay for native widgets! Now the buttons don't look so bad in Kubuntu. And I just noticed it uses KDE's mouse gestures, so I don't even need an extension for them anymore. Integration like that is what I wanted :)
- zwaldowski, on 11/20/2007, -0/+3Mozilla is still working on the visual refresh; they're usually in the RCs.
- drakia, on 11/20/2007, -0/+3Adblock Plus, Download statusbar (Which was disabled), scrollbar anywhere.
- speedk0re, on 11/20/2007, -1/+4methinks they're one of the new features mentioned
- stoanhart, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3Fast? Yes!
New Features? Yes!
Stable? No, not so much.
Can't wait for the final though. Good job Mozilla team! - inactive, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3The vast majority of their income comes from Google Adsense from searching with the built-in Google search box.
- drakia, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3Well, I renamed my application data folder, re-launched, and watched a video on YouTube, and then it went right back up to 500mb useage. No extensions.
- somekids, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3Keeps freaking taking memory leaks on me.
- PikeUK, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3ACID2 only tests a small part of the "specs", Gecko 1.9 is extremely standards compliant but it's not 100% (no browser is, regardless of what the fanboys willl tell you).
- PlancksCnst, on 11/21/2007, -0/+3ACID2 does not test for 100% compliance of anything but the ACID2 test, especially not ALL W3C standards. The test is for a very small subset of CSS - mostly positioning/layout stuff.
- garyh84, on 11/20/2007, -1/+4Most of the memory issues in Fx aren't when opening tabs, it is with prefetch, cache, etc. Try browsing around for 4 hours using the same tab, then create more tabs.
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