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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+120IE7 developers are scared of firefox
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32Competition is ALWAYS good for the end user.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34Should have been: In Soviet Russia, web browser develops YOU!
- chad3405, on 10/12/2007, -4/+30100,000,000,000 megs of ram, DAMN, thats a lot of ram!!!!
- rynoon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Awful
- dogshaft, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20"IE8 will unite the browser with the .NET platform and runtime engine in an effort to provide a comprehensive RIA platform that makes real internet applications practical and exceeds anything that is currently available (AJAX, XUL, Adobe Flex, etc.). ".NET" is more than a trendy name. You heard it here first."
You hear that everyone? Get ready for the next generation of RIA viruses and spyware! - takeda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I don't think anybody would care about it if the IE would be standard complaint...
If the trends reverse, and IE again starts gaining popularity that's actually bad for the web...
A lot of the new features cannot be used, and developing a website is very hard, thanks to the IE :((( - udayd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Looking at Firefox's current growth rate and the fact that they're never done improving their browser, I have to wonder if there will be any point in developing an IE8
- zclip, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17It's not a memory leak, it's a caching feature and it exaggarated. I usually don't close firefox for weeks at a time and the longest I went was between 35 and 40 days. It wasn't using 1.5 gigs of ram and it ran just fine. And I did all this on 1.33 Thunderbird with 1.25G of ram, so puh-lease, quit calling it a memory leak.
As for FF2, I don't like that they removed the next item/previous buttons in the quick search feature. I found that to be very handy. - StormFreak, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Release of IE7 Imminent? Its released... Just not via Automatic Updates yet.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/downloads/default.mspx - rynoon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@h00paj00
You are aware that the vast majority of open-source dev's have paying jobs, right? Most develop open-source apps as more of a hobby, not some political statement. Some make a career out of it, but they're the exception to the rule. - theragu40, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Is someone going to tell me why you don't close your browsers, or are you just going to digg me down? Just digg me down? Ok.
- rynoon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12@Duo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Smirnoff - wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8http://digg.com/software/Firefox_2_is_NOT_released
- theragu40, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11If Firefox has a memory leak problem, here's a hint: CLOSE YOUR BROWSER ONCE IN A WHILE. Why the hell would you keep your web browser open for "weeks at a time"? You just can't bear to double-click that shortcut? Don't want to bookmark pages, so you just leave them open forever? What's wrong with you people? It's no wonder Firefox is using lots of memory. Leave open every document you ever open up in Notepad, and I'll bet that starts sucking RAM, too.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9If you're one of the many who are still running Win2K boxes, your ONLY browser upgrade choice is FireFox... What's not to like about that?
- trylleklovn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"Doesn't seem to support Windows 2000 yet either, guess I will just have to keep using Firefox". And not Mac OS X either :o
- darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Doesn't seem to support Windows 2000 yet either, guess I will just have to keep using Firefox.
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I like them both, and use them both withe equal intensity.
Each have their own strengths and weaknesses, same with opera.
But i think more than one browser can, and should exist. - changyang1230, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"In Soviet Russia fox fires YOU!!"
- http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Russian_reversal - - cronot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@jeevesbond & others:
You know, I've heard this thing that all this resource usage is due to caching, but I've never heard it from Firefox Developers themselves - only from FF fanboys on their blogs, and they suggest dubious "fixes" that actually end up crippling browser performance - just like the blog you pointed out. I'm not saying that all the memory that FF uses isn't due to caching - actually, I think it makes sense. But if FF uses all this memory to cache pages so I can have a good History Back/Forward performance, when I close the respective tabs the memory used for caching those history information should be freed, right? But, alas, it doesn't happen. So, there IS a leak.
Anyway, if someone will point me out to a link that shows a FF DEVELOPER saying that all this memory usage is a "feature" and not a bug, then I'll try to take it more seriously. - uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@zclip;
I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one with those same thoughts. :)
I've experienced no such "memory leak" on any recently released version. On occasion, it does consume more memory than I think a web browser should, but not to the extent that I'm alarmed, or even really care for that matter. It's just not as bad as people are making it out to be. - azzkicar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5IE 7 tabs are so slow, omg. I thought I was using a web app, not a browser. I'll stick with FF.
I would love to use Opera, but their lack of extension capability killed it for me. I have an extension I use all the time on a browser, and that immediately rules out Opera. - Numfar28, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5There's no plans of it supporting Windows 98 or 2000, so I wouldn't hold your breath anyway. Additionally, they renamed it "Windows Internet Explorer", seeming to imply that it aint gonna be released on non-Windows systems either.
- theragu40, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6If you're such a big Firefox fan, then why the hell are you still using beta 2?
- Vindstille, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You should try using Opera. It's much better than Firefox and like Firefox you don't get so much spyware as with IE.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6While the FF idiotic fanboys keep bashing IE, the teams of both products keep exchanging information and helping each other.
Firesux zealots: you're so pathetic... poor bastards... - brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -15/+17@flag564:
Thanks for speaking up about Firefox's buggy nature, I thought it was just me.
I have been having horrendous stability problems with Firefox for the last 2-3 releases on multiple platforms, and Firefox 2 seems to be the worst of all.
Whats funny is that it crashes, then offers to restore the session, but restoring the session frequently results in the same crash. If I refuse to restore the session and recreate it from scratch, no crash.
Restoring a crashed session isnt much help if it also restore the crash! - JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@dogshaft
"You hear that everyone? Get ready for the next generation of RIA viruses and spyware!"
Feel free to apply your own value judgments, it won't hurt my feelings, I promise. My only point goes to MS objectives which I believe to be very different than what most people here (and Mozilla) are prepared for. - MrLobster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Firefox is a better browser, there is really no doubt about it. But, inspite of the fact that it has been so superior for so long it hasn't really captured much of a market share. The fact that Microsoft is no longer neglecting the development of their browser is not going to help spread firefox even if firefox does get a little publicity from the effort. Furthermore, Microsoft hates being tagged as a monopolist so I'm sure they would just assume have a dominating 80-90% of the browser marketshare as opposed to a number close to 100%.
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5the guy who posted the article seemed to not bother reading it.
"We spoke with key executives from the The Mozilla Foundation last week, and they were unfazed by the release of Internet Explorer 7...." - mohaine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@jopsen
"They are both free. There really isnt anything to be scared of."
IE7 isn't free. It comes free with a valid XP SP2 license, but that is not free. Currently you are not allowed to download or install IE7 without a validated copy of XP SP2.
You can call it free when it allows you to download and install it under Wine or other versions of windows. - buldir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Balmer says:
"Developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, don't be afraid of Firefox, Firefox, Firefox, Firefox, Firefox, Firefox, Firefox, Firefox because we're the type of company that keeps on coming and coming and coming and coming and coming and coming and coming and coming!" - shaolinpunks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2IE7 is not free!
you have to pay for xp first to be able to use it!
if your copy of xp is not legit than no IE7 for you! - DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6actually if you read the article, you'll notice that he does mention IE7 is released:
FTA (1st 2 paragraphs):
"We spoke with key executives from the The Mozilla Foundation last week, and they were unfazed by the release of Internet Explorer 7. On the contrary, they claimed that the release will open the public's eyes to the idea that they have a choice of web browsers, and that the Internet isn't defined by the blue "e" that exists on the Windows desktop.
A new version of Firefox, 2.0, will be released on Tuesday, on the heels of the big IE7 launch. And while it doesn't bring changes anywhere near as drastic as those seen in the first new version of IE in five years, it will bring some interface, security, and back-end advances. The upgrade offers some new features, but is primarily a tightening and polishing of the existing program."
It was the poster that made the mistake. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5LMAO! Yeah, they're really scared considering that their product is going to be included on 90% of computers sold with no option to remove it. I'm sure the IE7 Dev team are just quaking in their boots.
- middleman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I wouldnt be scared. IE7 dosnt even support CSS3.
- jopsen, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7They are both free. There really isnt anything to be scared of.
Sure, they both free, have you read the IE7 license... I haven't but I can promise you that it's not even free as in free beer... unless you have a windows(r) license which isn't free! - Vindstille, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It doesn't support CSS2 entirely you mean. CSS3 isn't finished and have status "working draft". Opera and Firefox (and maybe Safari) just support some feature in CSS3 and to see if they work like intended.
- cronot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@theragu40:
I don't think you deserved to be dugg down, your question was valid and I partially agree with you, though I think you were a bit harsh (maybe that's why you were dugg down).
Anyway, since you taunted everyone for an answer, I'll answer for myself: I'm a web developer, so my browser tends to be open all the time. Even when I go home, I leave it open on the page I was working on since this make it easier for me to resume my work from where I left it. I do realize, however, that I'm the minority on this specific usage pattern, so I guess other users may leave the browser open for days long for other reasons, which I'm curious to know too.
I do restart my browser once in a while tough, but just because of that "leak" or whatever the problem is, and I'd rather not have to. Alchemista's comment, while somewhat humorous (for me :-P), is also somewhat true: the browser is by far the application that is running most of the time on most computers nowadays. Even at home, I just close the browser when I go gaming. So, if you have an application that is running most of the time, it makes sense to just leave it open all the time as well, since it will always be in demand.
While I'd rather not have to close and restart the browser, it's not terribly bad that I have to do it, I agree with you on that. However, be aware that restarting the browser is not a solution, but a workaround. The real solution is having whatever the bug is fixed. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Firefox 2 currently takes 88 MB for me currently with 6 tabs open and I haven't closed it since at least two days ago. When I run Opera and IE, I get comparable performance. I haven't even touched any memory cache settings. Simply put, I don't get what's so many peoples' beef here with the *massive* exaggerations. Are you complaining about old Firefox 1.0 / 1.5 bugs or what?
- alchemista, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@theragu40:
we don't close the browser because the browser is the new OS - TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I was honestly looking forward to IE7...but after 2 months with it...I switched back to Ie6...and FF of course...FF and IE6 is a badass combo...I only use IE6 for sites I KNOW will freeze FF
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+15I use Firefox exclusively, but I'm still pissed they haven't fixed the memory leak.
Firefox with 2 tabs open shouldn't take up 100,000,000,000 megs of ram after being open for a day. - AlmostEvil, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@akinder
Judging from the grammar I'd say he isn't English. From what I understand Firefox has quite high usage numbers in countries like Germany etc.
Just as a funny addendum the dictionary in FF2 here thinks I should spell "Firefox", "Fire fox", you'd think that would be added to the dictionary. - akinder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+330%?? Where do you get your numbers?
- aeoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I keep Firefox open for a long time and I use quite a few extentions. I haven't seen any memory leaks yet. That's not to say they don't exist. But please understand that those are pretty isolated and specific cases.
I believe some memory leaking happens due to some Javascript on some sites, and it may or may not be Firefox's fault in that case. It's possible to write completely valid Javascript that will consume a lot of memory.
There are likely some true memory leaks still left in Firefox, and they should be fixed. But you can't just bang on the "memory leak" button and expect to get a chorus of agreement anymore, since the Firefox+Mozilla team has been fixing many memory leaks in recent times. So many people's problems have gone away and they won't be agreeing with you anymore. - sporkwitch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"I was gonna say...I'm running it right now, so I'm pretty sure it's out."
And the half-dozen or more people that are currently running arbitrary code on your system thank you for it ^^ - WhiskerTheMad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Absolutes are NEVER true.
- aeoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Competition is not always good for the consumer.
*always* is an absolute term, and absolutes are rarely true (if ever?) in real life. If you think something is *always* something else, that just means you didn't look deeply enough. -
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