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- bratterscain, on 07/22/2008, -8/+46This should be an option. I initially got away from IE, for one, because it's tied to Windows and to try something new. Should I just as well start using IE now? My philosophy is, apps should have their own security policy, not tied to the OS's to create two barriers of security instead of one streamlined right into the OS.
I can't really complain since I'm not having problems with it regarding this issue, but since FF is open source, I would think there's be an extension/hack of some kind for people who wanted it operating independently of IE. - cricketsymphony, on 07/22/2008, -0/+35you didn't read the article at all, did you?
- reallybigname, on 07/22/2008, -5/+36I agree with whiteknives. Reading comprehension. Its a Windows security setting, people. IE follows it (and is also integrated with it), and now FF follows it too. You can get there by going to Control Panel > Internet Options.
You'll notice that nowhere in my instructions did I say "Open Internet Explorer"...
If you don't want IE built into your operating system, then don't use Windows!!! People just like to complain, even if its for no reason.
But, seriously people, even if you had to open IE, how hard is it to open it and change your paranoid settings to default? And, if you don't even use IE in the first place, why do you care that its "super secure"? You only have to change it once, and that is only assuming that you ALREADY CHANGED IT in IE in the first place!
News flash! When you set Windows Internet Options to high security settings, you can't access everything anymore... Duh! - karit, on 07/22/2008, -2/+25FF is respecting Windows Settings. It just happens most people edit these settings through IE. If you go to Control Panel it is call Internet Settings (not IE Settings, so one would assume that these are generic Internet Settings for Windows). If Windows provides settings about what files can be and can not be downloaded it FF should respect that. If you (or your sysadmin) has told windows not to download exe and msi and Firefox allows you to firefox is acting a security hole/workaround. Maybe another using useful one to add would be if you setup a proxy in the Internet Settings FF should pick that up as well instead of having to set the proxy in IE and FF separately. If FF was doing this would people be as concerned?
- P373Y, on 07/22/2008, -2/+21i had this problem about two weeks ago , i couldn't download exe's it was pissing me off.
it just figures that its somehow tied to internet explorer. that thing is downright unusable. i understand why mozilla did it, but it should be an install option. - netneutrality, on 07/22/2008, -1/+19Safari on Windows uses the proxy settings from IE's options too, unlike Firefox, which has its own proxy settings. Good if you want it that way, not good if some malware has configured IE to use a foreign proxy in order to steal passwords and stuff.
- mrsteveman1, on 07/22/2008, -0/+15.......no way
- JK1150, on 07/22/2008, -0/+15from an IT standpoint, this is very convenient. the things you can do with windows group policy and firefox are very limited especially in terms of security zones. this brings mozilla closer to an enterprise platform. good read and i look forward to experimenting with it's capabilities.
- cricketsymphony, on 07/22/2008, -1/+14another case of not reading the article, at least not very thoroughly.
the point is that the security settings of IE somehow affect Firefox. I don't think this is something anyone would just assume. - row1, on 07/23/2008, -0/+12You have missed an important detail ... it is not importing security settings from IE. IE uses windows policy.
- phatboye, on 07/22/2008, -3/+13Hopefully someone will make a Firefox add-on which disables this. I don't want my FF install to be in any way tied to IE. The Moz Dev's need to be careful and not become to much like IE else people might start moving over to Opera and other free browsers.
- cricketsymphony, on 07/22/2008, -0/+8then how come the OP got buried so fast? how come nobody is giving him tech assistance?
in retrospect i could have broken the news to luke16 a little more gently, but my blood sugar was low, and he's going to learn someday. - Vodd9, on 07/22/2008, -1/+8Microsoft inviting Mozilla devs to their labs:
http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_...Over/ ...
Even if it was a while ago, I see no reason why they wouldn't have kept working together... - waydee, on 07/22/2008, -2/+9This is Firefox adhering to windows security, not specifically Internet Explorer.
- cricketsymphony, on 07/22/2008, -5/+10so rather than commenting on the story like this tool is meant to be used, you decided to ask for tech help. obviously, that's why everyone else is reading/writing comments: to help you with your problem that could be solved by ***** googling it.
- HigherLogic, on 07/23/2008, -2/+6>> Hopefully someone will make a Firefox add-on which disables this
Firefox in a nutshell. And there's nothing wrong with people moving over to Opera. - mithrasinvictus, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4it does have a control panel applet.
- SealandRes1, on 07/23/2008, -3/+7I see what you're saying and I agree with it, but I still think this should be an option.
- row1, on 07/23/2008, -2/+6If it's an option then there is no point in having it as you could just turn it off to get around your companies policies.
- cricketsymphony, on 07/22/2008, -1/+4*better browser
- Marumekomu, on 07/22/2008, -4/+7Some of us firefox users need to occasionally, for whatever reason, open Internet Explorer (be it to access a site that blocks FF, or to see what our website looks like. There are valid reasons.)
When we do this, given that we do not trust IE at all, we like to have all those super-high security settings in place. Such as, for example, not allowing EXEs to be downloaded.
See the problem? - Burn, on 07/23/2008, -2/+5You didn't even read the first paragraph of the post you replied to, did you. They are global Windows settings, not Internet Explorer specific. The title of this whole story is misleading (And inaccurate).
- cricketsymphony, on 07/22/2008, -3/+6riiiight. so what browser is it that you use that has all the stability, security, and extensibility of firefox with a smaller memory imprint? or do you just believe you could personally write a better os if you wanted to?
- inactive, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3Something to do with the new dl manager I think. After saving a bunch of files I'm lucky if I don't get a crash. Actually unlucky 'cause that would save me the trouble or manually closing and restarting it.
- clickwir, on 07/23/2008, -2/+4I agree it should be a toggle to use the systems security settings vs FF's own.
Should you start using IE now? No. Just because FF is using some of the systems security settings doesn't mean you should ever consider using that pile of garbage, IE. - Sephr, on 07/23/2008, -3/+5"Internet Options" doesn't say IE anywhere.
- Burn, on 07/23/2008, -2/+4There is, it's called 'Internet Options'. Previously only used by Internet Explorer, now Firefox for Windows also honours some of the global 'Internet Options' settings.
I can't work out why this is a big deal...I think it's a GOOD thing and that all applications should honour global settings rather than all needing their own separate configurations. - ilgaz, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2If I were you, I would keep getting IE updates even you won't run it one time in your life. Applications use IE rendering engine automatically becomes vulnerable when there is something wrong with it.
You can't forget IE on Windows, that makes people hate it more.
(same goes for Safari updates on OS X) - cricketsymphony, on 07/22/2008, -1/+3i dugg OP down and you up (MrTito) because your comment is articulate, considerate, and accurately weighted, whereas josepablows defines ff's memory usage as "just .. WTF!."
- feliks2, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3Didn't even read the title, apparently.
- theaceoffire, on 07/22/2008, -1/+2Well, it *might* be because of vista.
Anywho, download a copy of portable firefox, and see if that can close without errors...
http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_port ...
If it has no problems, than it isn't your OS. SO backup your bookmarks, uninstall firefox, go to where vista stores your firefox profile (under your application settings I guess) and wipe it. Then do a fresh install, importing from the bookmark file.
That should clear up any problems... course, if it *is* the os, then you might have to scrounge around a bit more. - esc27, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1This is awesome, another great feature of FF3. As someone who is actually responsible for a small Windows domain, my one concern with Firefox has always been the lack of enterprise features. This should definitely help competition with IE.
- alexforcefive, on 07/22/2008, -3/+4I guess this is a good policy in theory - although really there should be a separate security applet for windows, instead of using internet explorer's
- SealandRes1, on 07/23/2008, -5/+6>>If you don't want IE built into your operating system, then don't use Windows!!! People just like to complain, even if its for no reason.
That's not what people are complaining about. Please pay attention. People are complaining that firefox are following IE security settings which it did not do before. Just because IE is built into windows doesn't mean individual apps have to follow IE's policies. This was purely a choice from the developers at mozilla.
Also, you have probably never tried to rid a computer of IE based spyware/malware without reformatting the machine/reinstalling the OS.
I've had first hand experience and it's incredibly difficult, especially when you know the person who uses the computer will probably at some point in time, screw up and install some malware IE plugin. To prevent this, I usually tell them to use firefox/other alternative browser and lock down IE settings (forbit download 'exe', can't install IE plugins/activeX programs...) so the person will never have to worry about downloading IE based malware. - inactive, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1To follow-up,
browser.download.manager.scanWhenDone = false
in about:config appears to have fixed it for me. - alexforcefive, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Yes, I'm saying that's a good thing. The article made it sound like something entirely different was happening
- unrealmp3, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1This is a good option for a network administrator who want to streamline the group policies about how a workstation is allowed to download a file. Other than that, just another hidden policy that will bug the home user.
- SealandRes1, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2So what if it's windows security? Window security has always been (before FF3) applicable to only IE. Opera, safari, and other browser STILL DO NOT obey the windows security rules.
- MrTito, on 07/22/2008, -3/+4I don't know why you're getting dugg down. That's been a classic and somewhat accurate critique of Firefox all along. FF3 seems a little better, but it still has a large footprint.
- expert01, on 07/25/2008, -0/+1And article says that IE just sets the Windows settings, which Firefox follow's. Dumbass.
- alexforcefive, on 07/23/2008, -2/+2I know, I'm saying the security policy should have an applet in the control panel instead of in internet explorer
- Oryx, on 07/23/2008, -7/+7It's simple. Just use Opera. Why bother with all the hassle?
- digeen, on 07/06/2009, -0/+0I don't see how people can maintain that it's an OS-level setting when it's accessed through IE and appears on the IE options menu as Internet Options. There needs to be a way to keep IE unusable by rogue apps without contaminating Firefox's settings.
- TyreeJackson, on 07/30/2008, -0/+0Following Internet Explorer's security settings is a stupid idea. And don't give me that "its a Window's security settings" nonsense, since Microsoft has repeatedly stated that IE is integrated into windows. That makes the security zones part of the Internet Explorer security settings. If you are going to make this argument, then please give us another way to prevent Internet Explorer and its embeddable rendering engine from even trying to download files while changing this Internet Explorer security setting to allow Firefox to download files. Too many applications out there have Internet Explorer embedded which is why I need to have this Internet Explorer security setting set to disabled. What Mozilla in effect has done is embed part of Internet Explorer's options into Firefox. As such, I am forced to treat Firefox 3 with the same distrust, restrictions, contempt and disgust as I treat Internet Explorer.
This setting IS an Internet Explorer setting and Firefox has no business using it. The longer Mozilla continues to use it, the more security minded users will stray away to another browser.
Tyree - reallybigname, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0Mozilla has decided to follow the operating system's security setting, no matter WHAT the operating system is! It just so happens that IE doesn't have its own settings, it uses Windows settings.
I know that its hard to believe, but FF was not in compliance before, and therefore harder to manage from a system standpoint. So, you are being sentimental about a "feature" that isn't really a "feature", but a security flaw... a way to get around the security settings of the operating system. - feliks2, on 07/23/2008, -2/+2Title says IE, not Windows, dumbass.
- guyalsfere, on 05/28/2009, -0/+0What were they thinking of, to start making Firefox use Internet Explorer's settings? Perhaps Mozilla would prefer me just to use IE and cut out the middleman?
- samsara1981, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1[citation needed]
- Nicoon, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1Buried for inaccurate. IE uses windows' internet security settings, not the other way around.
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