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- kneeare, on 10/12/2007, -9/+110ive had the undo close tab function for years as well on firefox. the difference is that now theyre implementing it officially instead of requiring an extension to do it. now please shut up stupid maxthon groupie
- LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -11/+81Maxathon ALSO has the inherent security holes of IE. So which will you choose? Unsafe surfing or built-in undo close tab?
- aptget, on 10/12/2007, -7/+76At least you didn't say "fanboy"
That term is WAY past it's expiration date. - kortiz, on 10/12/2007, -28/+83Opera has been able to do this since forever also
- erhead, on 10/12/2007, -21/+75Actually, Opera has had something better. Instead of simply allowing you to retrieve the last closed tab, Opera puts all of your closed tabs into a trash can. You can retreive any tab you've closed since opening Opera this session, including popups that were blocked automatically by the browser.
I hope not to be called out for fanboyism on this one. I tried Firefox for a long while some time back. I do appreciate the option for loading what extensions you prefer, but for me, Opera is the way to go. It's got tons of functionality including tabs, skinnable interface, RSS reader, torrent handler built in, mouse gestures, zoomable pages (the whole page including images, not just text), and now widgets. On top of that, if you really care to get into the meat of the thing, you can set up filters for specific sites (I hardly ever see ads anymore - thank you Opera Ad Filter!), user configurable buttons (more than just moving them around - design your own), user configurable menus, and even setup CSS for specific addresses. I really hope some Firefox users give it a shot - in fact, I'd go so far as to say I think many Firefox users would like it. I did. :)
http://www.opera.com for the latest version. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -8/+41I would like an Undo Memory Leak feature.
On the plus side, the memory leaks seem to have be reduced to graphics and video galleries. If they could just fix this last bit, Firefox would be perfect. - Dumbledore, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30Just get the "Tab Mix Plus" extension. It gives you a lot more features that come in handy.
- HPSauce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24Just checked out my Firefox memory usage; 150 tabs open (don't ask), just a couple of extensions:
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9232/ooooh6xi.png
:) - kodek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23What the hell are you talking about? You think an "Undo close tab" is bloat? Bloat is when you have functions that are not even relevant to the product, for example, a media player in an e-mail client.
- jdkane, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18I hope the Undo Closed Tab feature is integrated tightly with the "Clear Private Data" feature so someone cannot re-open your stuff after you've cleared it ... like your Internet banking page.
- mvprj84, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17If anyone is like me then you try and minimize the number of extensions you use to prevent memory leaks. I used Tab Mix Plus until I started using Firefox 2.0 which had all of the features that I needed.
- CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16The memory for bon echo (firefox 2) actually stays pretty steady.
- pabster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15You do realize Opera has user Javascript as well, right?
- IceDog, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Firefox does have drag and drop "movable" tabs already. Resizing can be done, but it's a bit of a hack to do it. FYI
- zedj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Opera 9 supports rich text.
- Gatesophile, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19Undo close tab feature... hmm... reminds me of Opera's trash can... ;)
- Alchemeron, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19Introducing Firefox 2.0: Opera Edition.
- jacobmp92, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I believe Opera 9 has this.
EDIT: zedj, dang you! ;) - IceDog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I have the latest nighly build. I tested to see what would happen if I did this after Firefox had been closed and click undo close tab. I don't use clear private data but it still would not bring up any tabs after closing and reopening Firefox. So, it doesn't do that even if you don't use clear private data on closing.
- Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I have no idea if this has already been implemented in any browser, but moveable/resizeable tabs would be a great thing. Sometimes if you're on a page listening to a webstream or whatever, maybe even just wanting to 'put aside' a page that you'll constantly have open, if you could move it to the far left, and shrink the space it takes up, that'd be quite handy.
- pile0nades, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11http://tmp.garyr.net/
- d3m3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I want renameable tabs. Some sites name all their pages the same.
- CatalystGhost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7And none of them will involve the words "Security" or "Viruses", either ;)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I don't really care about the scrollbar, but undo sounds very nice.
One thing I would like to see is the ability to have a tab spawned by a middle-clicked link retain the history from the parent tab. I constantly close the wrong tabs this way, and lose my browsing history for the tabs I want (basically, back functionality). Of course, the undo feature should alleviate this. - doolin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7You, may have said the single most unpopular thing ever... -170 diggs... wow...
You didn't even mention Apple or the Wii :) - locojones, on 10/12/2007, -13/+20pow, zip, bang, undo close tab is brand spanking new......
Unless you've been using Opera, where it's been a standard feature. - dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Erm, it's not new in Firefox either, but not it's incorprated, not in an extension..
It's like saying (bad analogy time) "Wow, seatbelts on a bike, thats new", "HAH, n00b, it's been in cars for years, it's not new at all!" - zeio, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I like FireFox quite a bit, and use adblock and flashblock and firefox all the time.
But please, for 2.0 stop this:
1) memory leaks all over the place
2) the ability, unlike any other application, to land 99.9% of its operating code in swap after being idle causing it to be faster to kill firefox and restart it than to wake it up from swap
3) scrolling so heavy on the CPU and video card its laughable. Only acrobat is worse. Go into Microsoft Word and whip through 2000 page long docs at lightning speed, do it in FF with or without smooth scroll or whatever and prepare for stutter.
FF is the best, but it seems to be coded crappily with memory leaks and a huge memory footprint per rendered page. - Tricky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Now Microsoft will be going "Oh yeah? Well, we have TWELVE new features!"
- jacobmp92, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Your Firefox is taking up twice of my total memory. O.o
- dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10I agree, not sure about the reduced memory leak, but the memory useage is the single thing I find horrible about Firefox just now.. It used to never go above 70, ever.. It now climbs up to around 100/140 then I have to restart it ever day (or about 5 hours if it's being using a lot)
Although it does seem a bit better than the previous, if it could go back to how it was several versions ago I'd never ever consider switching browsers.. But untill then I'll have to weight up the bits of Opera I don't like against the 150mb memory useage...
As for the scrolling tab-bars - Hopefully it's an optionall setting, I don't mind having tiny tabs if I have a lot of windows open, since it's far easier to click visible (if tiny) tabs than it is to scroll around and find them like that.. VMWare's tabs when you have multiple VM's in the main-viewer-window bit gets tricky to find scroll blindly both directions to find certain windows, for example..
Atleast let the user specify how many tabs show up untill it scrolls them, someone with a 4000x3400 monitor will want different settings from someone using a 480x320 montior
- Ben - capnrefsmmat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8So does Firefox.
- jay314, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Firefox isn't really all that new.. it came out as Phoenix in 2002 or so, and it's rendering engine has roots earlier than that. I believe Opera created a new rendering engine for its 7.0 release about that time, so you can't really use the age argument. And you actually brought up one of the stronger points of Opera.. it's features are carefully selected. They have been tested and determined to be useful, and carefully designed to work well together as a coherent interface by a single group of people. Firefox is actually having problems with the downsides of extensibility: the extensions are sometimes created by people who don't do things correctly. The Firefox developers can work long hours to get rid of every possible memory leak and instability in their code, only to have the browsing experience ruined by poorly written extensions.
I'm not putting down Firefox, and I think the new features are great.. but for every "opera nazi" in any Firefox thread, there are probably 5 "firefox nazis" in some opera thread. The problem is that none of the "nazis" are well-informed.
(Btw.. one feature of Opera that Firefox extensions can't fix: Acid2) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Unfortunately, Opera has a ***** content filtering system. At least the last time I used it (about a month ago). I am lost without adblock and greasemonkey. The Opera ad blocker isn't very flexible and doesn't do nearly as good of a job.
Also, FireFox has the whole unclose tabs, open groups, save session, save last session, recover crashed session thing. You just have to install a simple extension. It's not that big of a deal
Saying "OMGZ! XXXX Browser already has this!" doesn't mean much. See, unlike a lot of browsers, firefox doesn't jam everything under the sun into itself. It eventually incorporates the best and most widely useful of the existing EXTENSIONS, which is awesome. And those things that don't make the cut remain installable for everyone who actually needs it.
Don't get me wrong - I kind of dig opera. It just isn't as robust as I would prefer it. I fyou could give me Opera's memory management under FireFox... I'd be one happy mofo. - pabster, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14Firefox has copied many Opera features. Opera is a revolutionary. Always has been.
- exclipy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes yes, Opera has had equivalents of these features for a while now. As others have mentioned, the "undo close" function in Opera is sophisticated, remembering every tab closed in the session.
As for the scrolling tab bar, Opera has something better: an option to wrap the tabs around onto multiple lines. Also, depending on the skin, tabs can be of variable width (in accordance to the title length). These two features of Opera make it much more usable when opening many tabs in a window.
That said, I think Firefox is on the right track in following Opera's lead. They've realised that essential features like this must be integrated into the core, and Firefox 2.0 seems to be doing a good job in uniting the cacophony of extensions that are needed to make the current version usable. - TannerLD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Hehe. Well, I've got 30 tabs open right now with a memory usage of 267,500K. Icky.
- diggmaddy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6ALL YOU "OPERA ALREADY HAS THIS" NAZIS: -
Opera has been around for about 8 years now. That's a VERY LONG development time and they've had every chance of putting carefully selected features. Firefox is very new as compared to opera. So, give it some time. At the current rate of FF growth, it won't be long before you all will agree that FF has more features.
Anyway, whatever feature you claim opera to have, are already present with extensions in FF. And that's the primary purpose of having extensibility in a browser. Let users choose which extra features they want, rather than shoving all possible features down their throat. - DoubleMike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@Erhead:
I've had that trashcan in firefox for years; just find the right extension. Everyone that says Firefox isn't the best browser hasn't taken into account the large library of additional features available through extensions. The default browser is missing a lot of usefulness by design, to make it light and fast. It's designed to be extended to each individual's taste. I used to use Opera, and when I switched to Firefox there were a lot of features I missed, at least during the ten minutes it took to find those extensions. I have every feature you listed and much, much more. Open source is about having it your own way, and that's why I like Firefox.
@TehSuper:
yes: see erhead's post - TheG2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I've used Opera for years. I tried Firefox for a while but was annoyed by having to load the plugins. But I will agree that Opera has become slightly bloated. We don't need a torrent software or IRC client but at least they don't suck up resources.
Firefox just happens to be the most popular browser. If you don't know what I mean by that, think iPod and every other MP3 player on the market. It may not have all the features, but damn does it have a great marketing platform. - ilitirit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Am I the only one unimpressed by two new features in a major version increment? Is there really nothing else worth mentioning?
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Strange, I've worked with very long pages and never noticed any performance hit when scrolling. But then, this is mostly at work, where we use Debian Sarge, so I'm still using 1.0.something. Maybe it's a new feature? =)
- ipodman715, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Lots of porn videos open?
- stapuft, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3actualy they kinda had it for a while when you go to copy something you can just hit ctrl+shift+c or right click and copy to note and then in the e-mail or whatever just right click insert note and then its pasted in
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Opening up a new tab is way faster than opening up a new window.
- stapuft, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4thats been in opera for a while too:)
- kevinski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There's a little something called keyboard shortcuts, you know.
- dchesterton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yeah 'internet banking'....... if you say so ;)
- TheG2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@Seumas
Rampant Fanboyism aside, Opera had a lot of the features originally that were copied into firefox extensions. And to be honest, Opera has these builtin and you don't have to search for them which in my mind makes it better. Firefox has always taken extension ideas mostly from other browsers.
And to be honest, there are plenty of things to complain about when it comes to Firefox, but that can be said for any browser. -
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