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- felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Actually, two Microsoft employees, one ex-employee, and one guy who just really, really likes Microsoft.
Also, the first quote, from Rory Blyth, actually is part of a larger conversation in which, ironically, he goes on to poke fun at Microsoft haters. From his blog:
"There’s something that has always irritated me about rebellion without any purpose, and something tells me that a lot of people who switch to Firefox aren’t aware of why they’re switching to Firefox. Beyond the usual “I have a friend who told me that IE sux0rz, so I switched,” there are probably few people who have a real grasp of what the change implies (in other words, I’m not criticizing Firefox, or saying that it’s a bad product – I’m talking smack about the slack-jawed ape-people who switch to it just to be “cool”).
It reminds me quite a bit of the move to Linux a few years ago. I could hear the implied high-five slap whenever two nerds agreed that “Wind0ze sux0rz and Linux r0x0rz.” Was there any technical justification for the pride? Not usually. I knew some very intelligent people who were very into Linux, and who could do a good job of explaining why Linux worked for them in certain situations, but I also knew a lot of non geek types who switched just because it was cool to trash Microsoft."
http://neopoleon.com/blog/posts/12473.aspx - skyfex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Of course, everyone at Microsoft doesn't hate IE. But remember that it takes some guts for an MS employee to publicly state their dissatisfaction with IE, meaning there are probably many others. Doesn't come as a surprise, really, but the real story is that employees are giving their opinion online.
- shiftless, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4IE 7 is a very poor attempt at being like Firefox. What's most annoying are the billions of dialog boxes that pop up plaguing the entire Vista OS.
WARNING: This web site may have CONTENT do you wan to CONTINUE?
WARNING: Clicking on LINKS may do HORRIBLE THINGS TO YOUR COMPUTER!
WARNING: E-Mail may cause CANCER and KILL YOUR FAMILY - linkvx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3most ppl use it because they dont really know they have much choice.
- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The only people who still use IE just don't know any better. They think they just click on the blue E to access the IntarWeb. I would put them in the same category of AOL users. They really just don't know much about the Internet, the WWW, browsers, and just don't want to be bothered by it all. They just want to go to Yahoo and search for ebay.com while they send a forward email to all their friends.
- pacogozalez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3For me its Opera. I have tried Firefox and was disappointed (slow).
Opera has the options right where i search it. Delete cookies after the session, working zoom (IE zoom doesent work correctly), enable/disable java, disable gif animation, etc...
I do not have to search endless option lists with criptic names like IE has, it's fast, and free. Definitively my choice is Opera. - SniperX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Anyone who still uses IE is either a "don't fix what isn't broken" type of person, or they havn't heard of firefox with the IE Tab extension =P
- moishe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Most people at Microsoft use IE internally only because most of Microsoft's intranet sites block Firefox. Switching browsers to view intranet sites is a pain.
Hopefully IE7 will be better, but it's going to be playing catch-up to Firefox for quite a while yet. - SniperX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oh, and in Microsoft's defense, this "behind the times" issue, is outdated because they ARE working to release IE7, very actively working towards it.
This is just an all around bad digg - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@rc_collins:
"I have yet to figure out why people care what browser they use"
Therein lies the problem - LeeVal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Then why dont they get off there asses and fix it
- Jarrod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This article is hilarious!-
A bewildered ex-Mac IE developer Jorg Brown recalls a conversation with a Microsoft superior:
Over the whole sad journey, the single most surprising thing I ever discovered was from a small conversation that went:
Me: "Look, if it makes sense to devote dozens of people to WinIE, then surely it makes sense to devote half a dozen to MacIE!"
Higher-up: (confused look) "There aren't dozens of people on WinIE. WinIE had some great people on it! We need those great people on products that make money!"
Me: "Then why on earth did we pursue IE in the first place? Just so that the DOJ would sue us?"
Higher-up: (confused look)
Some day I hope to get a proper answer on our motivation to do WinIE and MacIE in the first place. It seems to be that we were scared of not having control of the HTML standard. And indeed, now that Firefox is gaining traction, Microsoft has added more people to WinIE again.
Epilogue: All of this made it a lot more easy for me to quit and go work at Google.
Shows how clueless Microsoft higher-ups are. The weird aspects of the Xbox 360 (core system, anyone?) and its hideously botched launch makes perfect sense now. - unclejesse0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2IE does suck. I know people who use it and I'm just bewildered as to why they use it. I've tried Firefox and its a great browser but I'm an Opera user. I think any browser is better than IE.
- RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I doubt they all HATE it. Although I have seen a handful of people from Redmond, WA use firefox to view my blog - most of them use IE. (Although I spotted one or two using IE 7).
Some of them certainly enjoy tabbed browsing. - onewing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This may be a big shock to you guys, but some people actually PREFER IE. I have friends I have got to try firefox and opera, but they prefer IE's page rendering and compatibility with websites. I personally prefer opera, but there is a valid argument for a lot of browsers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> IE is far faster then Firefox in startup and rendering
If you knew *WHY* it was faster, it would scare the hell out of you...
Effectively, I notice no difference between IE and Firefox... and even when I was using Mozilla, I was willing to wait (the difference betwee IE and Mozilla was not that significant). - stuffedstich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I love firefox, it is an adept browser. I found out one time doing a small test that I got more viruses/spyware/adware/etc.. by using IE than FF.
- Cybrwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Catch ME,
I don't hate everything Microsoft does. However, I do hate the decisions they make simply based around market dominance. Even you must admit that IE does a crappy job of supporting true web standards.
The biggest security issue with IE is simply Active X scripting. Active X is tied to the IE web Browser, IE is tied into the core of the Windows OS. This is the crux of the problem, if Microsoft had kept IE separate from the OS, IE wouldn't nearly be as bad as it is, right now.
I like competition, and would like to see Microsoft "really" develop IE, but only as a stand-alone app, not a UI plug-in to the OS. - Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Heh, my boss tried out Firefox (at my behest) and stopped the first time because it took slightly longer to load, and his home page (MSNBC.com) looked a little different. But hey, he has to clean off his system weekly, whereas thanks for Firefox and Sygate I don't ever get spyware or anything else I don't desire. It's his choice, but he's a die-hard MS fanboi, and aside from him everyone I've shown Firefox has adopted it immediately.
It's a better browser, plain and simple. MS either needs to step in the ring and compete, or drop IE entirely, because by God it has been holding back the web for over half a decade :( - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@linkvx:
"most ppl use it because they dont really know they have much choice."
Exactly, because it's all about the power of a name. Some examples:
X Windows *poof* Windows XP, XBOX
Linux LiveCDs *poof* Windows Live
Novell's big red N logo *poof* Windows N
Corel a well known name for various products, was developing Corel Linux *POOF!* shares purchased and Corel Linux eventually gets purchased by another company and becomes XandrOS.
It's all about name gobbling. Once something becomes catchy, it has to be gobbled up before it spreads. When a lot of the regular Joes hear about Linux, they either don't know what it is, or think SCO and/or lawsuits.
Name gobbling and rabbit in the hat distractions. - Jarrod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why is this not on the front page anymore? 351 diggs and no front page? Anyone that reported this story as lame or old news just to get it off of the front page must be pretty lame themselves.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jarrod:
"Why is this not on the front page anymore? 351 diggs and no front page? Anyone that reported this story as lame or old news just to get it off of the front page must be pretty lame themselves."
Too many paid monkeys in the fields lurking in the shadows who don't like negative articles. :) There's a lot of truth within some of the comments, perhaps it scared a few of the suit+tie guys. - j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Opera renders nice, but always seems a bit slower to me than Firefox and IE. I currently use Firefox, but have to go to use IE6 for some things (banking, and college-based services). I actually prefer IE6 because it does load quicker, and renders a bit faster. Their are two major reasons I use Firefox: tabbed browsing, and the lack of ActiveX *****.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Even Microsofts own Emplyees are getting furious at how "horribly behind the times" Internet Explorer is."
Just IE or IE and a convicted monopoly? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Too bad its bolted on the the operating system. Perhaps they should try to fix that in Vista.
> Large Corporations can't rule.
Bill Gates must miss the day when he could call everyone an idiot and tell them how crap their ideas are. I forget... was that before or after Billy boy got the IntraWebs religion?
> What's most annoying are the billions of dialog boxes that pop up plaguing the entire Vista OS.
More evidence that Microsoft hasn't learned a damned thing about end-user requirements in a computer security usability context.
> An anti-MS submission on Dig? I am shocked.
You know... when there's an anti-MS theme that pervades pretty much every tech. site on the planet, there might actually be an issue at hand. Buy, hey, this ain't a "5 guys from Rolla" MS-circle jerk; so, I could be wrong.
> Sites developed that only work in IE are poorly developed sites.
The cool thing about IE only sites is that you know who's had the cool-aid; you can then use that fact when you market products and services to them (which you, of course, have outsourced to India, 'cause nobody in their right mind would spend their own time and energy working for a customer that dumb).
> Also, anyone who says IE7 is behind FireFox has clearly never used IE7...
> it looks funky in Vista but the XP build is amazing
Same mistakes, "different" browser. IE7 got the same poke in the eye with the latest zero-day exploit that IE6 got... and don't give me that crap about how "freeze drying" everything in vista will fix all the Microsoft browser security issues that still remain. - hammerattack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1People have to consider this as part of a bigger picture: Large Corporations can't rule. They simply aren't effective anymore. What made Microsoft the leader in desktop software was that it was nible, agile, and responsive. For about the last decade, Microsoft has been following through on momentum alone, growing larger and more bloated (not unlike their software at times). Meanwhile, Apple - who has always stayed small - has continued to thrive by dominating niche markets. Alot of people (the anti-corporate morons, to be frank) get up in arms whenever a corporation grows big and shows dominance. They go from being the golden boys of their industry, to being the evil empires. Examples include Google, Wal Mart, Microsoft, eBay, and soon NewEgg. But what people have to always remember is that the king of the kill got there by being better than the last king of the hill, and they'll only be up there until someone better comes along. Microsoft is currently demonstrating this.
- Vladk1000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And to add to what dilbert has said, IE has many more security issues and why would a user care about the ratio of security issues to the number of users? Firefox has less security problems and that's that. The ratio means absolutely nothing to a user who wants to surf securely.
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Most people at Microsoft use IE internally only because most of Microsoft's intranet sites block Firefox. Switching browsers to view intranet sites is a pain.
Have you heard of spoofing your user agent? There's that option, or if not, then you don't have to "switch" browsers ... just leave both open. That's what I do at work since our Intranet is in the same predicament, but oh well... you just gotta deal with it. I'm scared to use IE on anything except what's necessary. - cavicster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1links is better than IE
- wezzul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sites developed that only work in IE are poorly developed sites.
- Aquinas315, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It would be wise to note that IE 7 isn't available to the general public yet... so therefore any comment that IE 7 is "more advanced" than Firefox should be held off until it is available to the masses. Currently they're still under v6.
- dilbert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"And to hate me even more, Firefox has more security issues by ratio for its users."
Newsflash: Firefox isn't integrated into your OS. Where a security related issue in Firefox means Firefox is affected a security related issue in IE means your OS is in danger.
Furthermore, security related issues of Firefox is handled very quickly (open source) where security related issues in IE takes months to be addressed, if they're addressed. And I didn't even mention the severity of problems that occur in IE or Firefox.
BTW, IE is behind as they do NOT support W3C standards. - Cybrwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My personal belief is that Microsoft is never truly going to be supporting of actually web standards, because they have too much to lose. Google is scaring Microsoft to death, because if web-based services become the norm, Microsoft becomes irrelevant.
This is why IE was left lacking, and even when it was developed, was made to accept crappy code. Lazy web coders, or novice web coders will go the easier route, which is IE only. Web coders who care develop for the standards first, and tweak for the browsers, afterward.
Active X is a poor choice for doing web development, because it creates lock-in. Standards give you a choice of which browser, or even OS you would prefer to use
I'm not saying that Microsoft is the only one guilty of this, Apple is too, regarding certain things, like iTunes, and the default encoding format, with DRM. Hell, any lock-in is bad. - leftfoot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Micro$oft STILL doesn't get it, their browser sucks, how do they deal with it? Recode the damn thing from ground-up, and see where they are.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Micro$oft STILL doesn't get it, their browser sucks, how do they deal with it?"
More importantly, how do WE deal with it? I've heard a lot of folks bitch about M$ and its products yet turn around and buy an xbox. How does that send a message? It continues to fund the very company whose products some strongly dislike. Money talks! - diggdeeznutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I primarily use Firefox and Opera but have been testing IE7 beta for sometime now. Sure they are ripping off Firefox and Opera like everything else they put out but it runs smooth and fast.
- heptapod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I swear this exact same site was submitted a few days ago with the headline about Microsoft's sinking IE ship.
- CatcherInTheWhy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How exactly did IE "hold back" the Internet? Microsoft CREATED AJAX and many of the technologies that FireFox uses. Microsoft had the first browser with add-ons and decimated Netscape.
Also, anyone who says IE7 is behind FireFox has clearly never used IE7... it looks funky in Vista but the XP build is amazing, rock solid (been running for 5 months and it never crashed or got any spyware), and no crappy memory leak like FireFox. - Namco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Didn't I read this 2 days ago? looks like a dupe to me.
- XStatic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What would be interesting is the server logs showing what browsers desktops in MS domain were using.
- t928, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0this is old.
- memphis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I dont hate IE, I just hate Microsift.
- Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0dupe!
- Splitz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Blind IE lovers don't get it. By tying IE to the OS, MS has made it subject to every Windows vulnerability, including the current graphic rendering problem which is so dangerous, it forced MICROSOFT to issue a recommendation that you DISABLE graphics rendering in IE. Turn off ActiveX and graphics. You'll quickly understand why pro-MS fanatics and employees alike are switching to other browsers. The price for sticking with Internet Explorer is too high.
- SniperX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14 employees who dislike IE, out of 4 NOT RANDOM employees who dislike IE does not make for an accurate sample.
I hate slanted statistics. (& dont get me wrong, i'm posting this from firefox, i just hate biased stories) - brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0IE does not suck.
IE is far faster then Firefox in startup and rendering and more website-compatible due to legacy.
Both IE and Firefox have dangerous exploits , logically relational to userbase size.
As of 1.5 Firefox crashes more often for me then IE, in 1.07 it was roughly equal.
However, Firefox of course completely destroys IE in featureset. - pupppet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0An anti-MS submission on Dig? I am shocked.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Yes everyone hates IE!
digg - chris1out, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Great Article!!!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Btw.. Story came through http://www.applegeeks.com/
Great webcomic. Amazing drawing/coloring =) -
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