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- TheTap, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8I'm sure Drupal is very good, I hear nothing but good things about it.
But I learned Joomla 2 years ago and I know it fairly well and I don't feel like relearning a new CMS so I stay with Joomla for new site design.
I think Joomla has broader 3rd party support too but I hear that Drupal has a better handle on site security.
Each has their strengths, but still, kudo's to Drupal on it's award recognition. - banglogic, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Considering that many, many people use it to develop professional, robust, rich content sites...
http://observer.com/
http://marlowstavern.com/
http://spreadfirefox.com/
http://theonion.com/
http://leuvenspeelt.be/
http://myonebaby.com/
http://theworld.org/
http://monabrooks.com/
...there is the remote possibility that, in this case, it is not Drupal doing the sucking.
(p.s. I'm not affiliated with any of these sites) - emehrkay, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Good stuff, I've used a little drupal in the past.
Sidenote- cool to see cNet using mootools
but looking at the list of all of the winners, i get a "special olympics" feel. I know 100 out of the billions of websites is minimal, but still... - Foofy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4http://www.webware.com/html/ww/100.html
A link to the actual contest results would have been nice. It's pretty clear that Drupal placed after WordPress and Adobe Flash. I like how the submitter dances right by that and goes on to assume that something ranking third in one category must have more votes than something with a lower ranking in a completely different category (Netflix and Stumble).
That is to say, the submitter is a bit (just a bit!) of a moron. - Stephiems, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I find Drupal frustrating at times just because it does have a high learning curve. But, I'd rather have it more flexible and harder to learn, then easy to learn and less flexible. It seems to me that Drupal was developed for web professionals to create complex websites more quickly, not for people who don't know anything about web programming to put a website up without hiring a web professional. This is the main reason why I applaud it. It is keeping work available for our jobs, but allowing us to offer more complex websites at a cheaper rate then if they were done from scratch.
- shinon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@slythfox - Your point is redundant and you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Joomla and Mambo are pretty much the same thing.
- jacon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Joomla is very nice for beginners but Drupal is much more Robust.
- rport, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3http://drupal.org/node/152770
The finalists for the “Webware 100” awards were selected by the editors of Webware.com, a CNET site, but the ultimate winners were picked by the users. The “Webware 100” Awards recognizes the best Web 2.0 sites, services, and applications that are leading the next wave of innovation. - Ghoul, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Process for installing Drupal 5:
1. Create MySQL database + user and assign appropriate rights.
2. Run the following:
wget http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/drupal/files/projects/drupal-5.1.tar.gz
tar zxpf drupal-5.1.tar.gz
mv drupal-5.1 websitedirectory
cd websitedirectory
mkdir files && chmod 777 files
chmod 666 sites/default/settings.php
3. Navigate to the proper URL in a browser and enter in the MySQL details and follow the wizard until it saves the configuration.
4. chmod 644 sites/default/settings.php
5. Drupal is now installed. You can create the admin user, start installing modules, etc.
It's not too terribly difficult. You just need to know some basic shell commands. I recall it being more difficult back in the day, before version 5, but I didn't get into Drupal significantly until version 5 was released, so I can't comment on that.
I'm glad to see Drupal getting some attention recently. I tried Joomla, but found it difficult to theme and develop with. - slythfox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Eh, it's a popularity contest. Not everything that is popular is necessarily amazing... There's other content management systems out there more worthy of any award.
- Atomic1fire, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Nice to see not only did firefox win
but openid as well
and homestar runner did a decent job - jacon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Check the following behind the scene of The New York Observer:
http://drupal.org/node/141187
This is very educational - djangoxl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I've just started with Drupal....but man, do these sites look cool. How did they manage to tweak Drupal like that (especially http://leuvenspeelt.be/)
I think I will have to take a very good look at Drupal's documentation because I would want to have my site look like that as well.. - SpeKopuZ, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1How can Drupal and Wordpress win in the same category?
- Foofy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The winners are the top 10 from 10 categories (thus WebWare "100"). WordPress and Drupal both won in the Publishing category, though WordPress came in first, and Drupal third. It's less spectacular sounding when you read from the blog post:
"In many categories, there was a very steep drop-off between the top vote-getter and the No. 2 (and lesser) winners. In Browsing, for example, Firefox received 50 percent of all votes in the category, and the second-most-popular product, Opera, got only 13 percent." - minsight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Drupal scales poorly. Yes, there are big sites that use it, but that doesn't meant that it's efficient in its use of resources.
Another minus is that, when I was using it, the developers would constantly redo the structures of the databases and source files in a way that would break backward compatibility. This wouldn't be a big problem if they developed a utility to reliably upgrade old installations. They didn't. So someone would install Drupal, and find out 6 months later that they'd have to be up to their elbows in MySQL in order to upgrade to a currently-supported version.
Like Linux, Drupal has to learn that a product has to be usable by all, and not just its developers. - MaximumPig, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I tried a fairly simple Drupal installation a couple of years ago after a client got sold on it by a couple of Drupal true believers (who were not themselves web developers or designers) and it was an incredibly painful and frustrating experience. It seemed the only people who knew how it worked were people who worked on developing it (and who all seemed to come from the Howard Dean campaign). The "documentation" barely qualified as such and if you asked a question that was answered elsewhere in the un-indexed pile of 23,000 forum posts, you got flamed. Maybe it's improved since then, I don't know. But what a miserable chapter in my life.
- TheTap, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I would say this depends on what you want. For a commercial site with heavy traffic, yes, Drupal is probably better.
But I have developed a handful of small personal sites (or small organization sites) where Joomla does just what they need. A church group wanting a small website to get out information may not need the 'robustness' of Drupal. They need a site that a volunteer can update without too much trouble.
You can turn over a Joomla site to an end user to maintain easier than you can a Drupal site. I have not developed in Drupal but I have experimented a little so I say that from some level of experience.
There is room in the open CMS community for both (and the many others out there). - slythfox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It really depends on your technical skills, I suppose. I use my own content management system (I'll omit the name) because it works how I want it to. The CMS I use, one would never be able to tell that my website was using it. I was looking for a simple, fast, low-resource intensive, and easily customizable CMS, and there wasn't one I could find, so I created my own.
- Youssif, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Who else uses Drupal:
www.ubuntu.com - Netmonger, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Drupal is amazing! Its completely configurable, and there are a ton of modules out there to do just about whatever you can think of. They've made alot of headway with the recent release on making it more user friendly, and any other problems can generally be solved by a quick search in the forums or chat on IRC.. Drupal Rocks!!
- rssej, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1why is silverlight a winner? isnt that a tad early? whatever
- FirstPersonShow, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Leo Laporte uses Drupal for TWIT (This Week In Tech) on of the most popular podcasts. He has nothing but good things to say about it. I like Drupal too.
- amoeba, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I've worked full time as a developer using both Joomla and Drupal. I have to say I like them both though each has it's strengths and weaknesses.
I do believe that Drupal has a very elegant design and excellent extensibility model.
Congratulations on the award. It's well deserved. - jonmaclane, on 02/12/2009, -0/+0We work on Drupal.It lets oue site look more user friendly for the search engines and will receive better chances to climb up in the search engines rank statistics.
http://www.prosopo.com - iamnos, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I dugg you down, not because you don't like Drupal, but because you didn't say why. Just saying its frustrating doesn't really provide anything. I'm personally a big fan of Drupal and use it for quite a few sites. Its not perfect, but it is a really nice modular CMS.
- Aero1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1dont forget thisweekintech.com!
- johnisfat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I didn't complain. Just commented the facts.
- nicklewisatx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0QUOTE: "Drupal scales poorly" --
Compared to what? Static HTML pages? A skin and bones PHP/MSQL page builder? I hear "it scales poorly" a lot, but I can say with certainty that any platform that offers functionality comparable to drupal is bound to run into scalability issues once it gets significant traffic.
Most scalability problems are caused, in my experience, with poor usage of contributed modules, and terribly written custom code. If a site is well constructed however, it will scale to infinity so long as you've heard of concepts like query cache, sql clusters, and load balancers.
Drupal has scaled fine for me even without the aforementioned weapons grade methods. My blog was once farked, metafiltered, and linked from several big publications like wired, and hundreds of other blogs. The first day of the onslaught I had upwards of 500,000 page views. This was using drupal 4.5, with page cache turned on, and on a fancy-pants 10 dollar a month shared host. The site never went down, or began to respond slowly. My host never even seemed to notice the load such an onslaught should have caused. Consider that drupal 5 is much faster, and has much more powerful caching than 4.5, I can't help but ask: Really? It scales poorly? Under what circumstance?
QUOTE: "Another minus is that, when I was using it, the developers would constantly redo the structures of the databases and source files in a way that would break backward compatibility. This wouldn't be a big problem if they developed a utility to reliably upgrade old installations. They didn't."
Sorry, but that is b#*****. We've had an upgrade utility since the release of 4.6 (2 versions, roughly 2 years ago). The drupal core has had a reliable upgrade path since I first started using drupal (that would be august of 2004).
3rd party module developers can easily write upgrade hooks for their modules whenever they need to change the schema in anyway. Drupal 6 will actually offer a schema api that will even further simplify this. I understand the frustration of users who are stuck in pre-4.6 drupal installations, but to say we haven't done anything about it is b#*****.
Furthermore, True, 3rd party contributed modules are a whole different story -- they are often left unmaintained to the dismay of users -- and we're working on finding ways to help inexperienced users navigate the hundreds of 3rd party modules, however, in the end, we have no control over the quality of 3rd party contribs over time, we can only advise users to be aware of the risk of investing in them. - npearson, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Drupal is very difficult for beginners as there is little documentation for newbies. After the learning curve you can toss up a site that is far superior to Joomla and doesn't have the cookie cutter layout which plagues Joomla sites. I will say Drupal has pissed me off more than a few times and the admin is a ***** for whomever you set the site up for...
- abandonedhero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Bury it as a duplicate if you're so inclined - don't bitch about it. It only makes you look bad. It's better for there to be duplicates and more people read the story than for there to be only one story that doesn't make it anywhere near the front page.
- puregin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0foofy, there is another digg for the actual webware awards. I was specifically interested that Drupal, per se, was being recognized.
The winners appear not to be explicitly ranked, according to http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9728770-2.html, though it does appear that the ordinal position of each winner in the category is consistent with other information supplied about relative number of votes.
The article states that WordPress got the most votes in the category, and that Drupal placed ahead of TypePad and Vox. I don't think that its particularly meaningful to make inferences based on such a ranking, in any case. My observation about Drupal vs. NetFlix, and StumbleUpon is admittedly a little bit of a red herring, since these last two are in different categories, but it is based on the observation that each of these (along with TypePad and FeedBurner) received less than a thousand votes.
All to be taken with a large grain of salt ;) - defaultdigger, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Drupal is overkill for most sites. My vote goes for CMS Made Simple
http://www.cmsmadesimple.org/ - slythfox, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1@jacon, agreed.
I personally despise seeing a website using Joomla, as I do PHPNuke, but (at least Joomla) seems to be pretty simple for beginners and such. Mambo and Drupal are decent CMSs but require a little extra work, which in my opinion, is a good thing. - jacon, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Just check the following sites and see why this CMS is so successful
http://www.observer.com/
http://musicbox.sonybmg.com/
http://www.777.com/
http://www.usmagazine.com/
http://www.plumtv.com/
Drupal provides the best community CMS that is robust and easy to extend. It has strong competition as Joomla but anyone who drilled down on both knows Drupal is better. - josejimenez, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0"It seemed the only people who knew how it worked were people who worked on developing it (and who all seemed to come from the Howard Dean campaign). The "documentation" barely qualified as such and if you asked a question that was answered elsewhere in the un-indexed pile of 23,000 forum posts, you got flamed."
Your experience with Drupal is not unique. The Drupal community consists of a group of loud, noisy, zealot fanboys. The whole purpose of Drupal seems to be for geeks to try and impress other geeks. - johnisfat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0That's cute. Repost to a list posted already today.
- dahamsta, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1So did Blogger, and that's a complete piece of *****.
How in *****'s name did this tripe make the front page? - elebrio, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3WTF?
- TheRealM3D, on 10/11/2007, -16/+6Drupal sucks. My experiences with it have been incredibly frustrating.
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