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- redsox32, on 10/12/2007, -43/+128digg me down so i can be the must dugg down comment in history.
- Andy.D, on 10/12/2007, -5/+42This is the first I've seen of the possibility that this is a standalone product, like a NAS box. That would be pretty damned cool, if it's not overpriced.
- consonance, on 10/12/2007, -6/+37Thank God, I was worried about the lack of versions that Windows Vista comes in.
- sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Comming next: Creepy neighbour accessing photos of your kids.
- Werrismys, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Nah. Most ppl who want a 24/7 "home server" out of sight for automation, webcams, web hosting, backups, centralized storage etc use Linux already.
Even the very pro-MS ones I know usually have a Linux box hidden in closet for just this kind of stuff (and Windows for gaming etc). - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14If this turns out to be true, this would be one of the smartest moves that Microsoft has made in a long time.
More and more people are buying overpriced NAS's. I think the thought of recycling an old PC into a media server would appeal to consumers' resourcefulness and their wallets. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21Sounds like a good idea on the surface but I really wonder how many hardware makers are going to adopt it. Any "home server" will have to be cheap and you've gotta assume the Windows license on these devices is going to cost $50-$100 and will probably require some beefy hardware. Why would any hardware maker choose this solution when you can implement on the same features on Linux cheaper, with more freedom, and on lesser hardware?
- ricodued, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18Because typical consumers aren't used to Linux at all, much less a server environment. Besides, how much horsepower does it take to serve up pictures, music, and the occasional video, maybe combined with a firewall and other network services such as printing? Not a whole lot compared to the high-end computers of today.Once you thrust them into a new server environment with all new features they've never heard of before, they'd better at least be in familiar UI territory. Otherwise they'll quickly give up and send the machine back and start word-of-mouth that it's an "overcomplicated" machine.
Linux will have its time, just not right now. Settle down. - Scatropolis, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17and how many versions of linux are there?
There's only a couple that everyday consumers are going to see. - cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15You didn't give anybody here on Digg another option, you just voiced the same thing that comes along on each and every discussion that includes Linux. Its tired and old...
Who here on Digg does NOT know you can use Linux on an older computer as, for example, a file server? Anybody? Raise your hand. Anybody?
Ok, anybody here on Digg never hear of SAMBA? Anybody? Come on, anybody? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -17/+27"You can save yourself the money. GNU/Linux has been able to easily achieve this for years:"
Yeah you could, if it was user friendly. Linux is not user friendly, there are too many distros, and it simply requires too much effort. Unless you are ubber geek, the common computer user is not ubber geek. Therefore, Linux is out of the questions.
You, like a lot of linux nuts, really don't understand marketing and the common user. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15"Almost everyone who has a use for a home server should be smart enough to see that a linux server would be more secure, more stable."
While digg users are technical enough to tinker with a linux server in their homes, I think your claim of "almost everyone" is overly optimistic.
"Almost everyone" is unfamiliar and scared of linux. Most people need a GUI and dont think that linux offers one.
Most people are going to say: "Linux? That's the thing with the Dos windows? No thanks." - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17You can do all your administration tasks through a web interface. Most people wouldn't even know they were running Linux. (and FYI, there are millions of Linux devices out there in the hands of consumers. TiVo, many routers, virtually every sub $1000 NAS device, etc)
- mjh2901, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7What is it going to run on. I would guess the majority of home servers are like mine, old PC running Linux and some big ass hard drive or drives. Or a stand alone NAS box. If it is a product on top of windows is it going to be windows XP, 2000, 98 or will it be vista or nothing. Vista would require a lot more guts than most people throw at the home server. It sounds like this will be a new box only solution. People willing to throw new computers at a home server is going to be a really limited market.
I think I will stick with clarkconnect. While the more techie out there are probably running there favorite distros. - nayr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13for everyone out there: LINUX IS A KERNEL. yes, LINUX is not easy to use, but if you haven't noticed, the GNU userland, in combination with some gui frontends create an excellently easy to use server. See Ubuntu server.
- sparkmonkeyz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10That is cool. I hope that this is real.
- helpmii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Not everyone has "a few small computers."
- MaiSacNjoMouf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@BigBadger
You're right, they aren't revolutionary anymore, but they were in 1993 when MS released Windows NT Advanced Server 3.1
Oh *****, you forgot about that...
But I shouldn't expect you to know about anything that happened before you were born... - ricodued, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Scatropolis:
Somewhere around 800-1000, at least according to what I gather from distrowatch. - TheFinestShadow, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13Oh man, my house just bluescreened!
- ricodued, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Only difference is that Microsoft has the power to actually put these things in people's homes. If it weren't for MediaCenter, Linux probably wouldn't have a MythTV, we'd all have Tivos. Once Microsoft puts a few million of these in some people's homes, THEN Linux can and will start working it's way in, but not now. Most Linux servers are too complicated to set up or, in the case they are fairly easy to set up, are too complicated to maintain or configure.
Wait for Microsoft to get this up and running, then look at how they do it and improve upon it. - dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5 So to continue this analogy would that mean the Linux house would be available in hundreds of styles and be free? ;)
- BobBeechin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Personally, I'd rather it be something based on Windows Server 2003, possibly dumbed down with a lot of wizards for common home administrative purposes.
This is my personal wish list for a home-server-in-a-box.
* Network Storage.
* Backup
* Centralized User login management (not necessarily Active Directory)
* Windows Server Update Services - no more having to update every machine from Microsoft separately.
* Media recording & streaming.
* Optional firewalling & Internet proxy. - helpmii, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Ya but it also means you have to share everything, including your wife.
- s1oan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5What would happen if Microsoft tries to sell that 'Home Automation' as a separate program instead of a complete OS? My guess is that nobody would buy it!!!!! ...Same goes for the Media Center...
- subhuman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7No they wouldn't.
Not only is almost ALL spyware ActiveX or EXE based, so it wouldnt even run on Mac/Linux, but the user/admin separation in mac and linux means even if somehow a piece of malicious software got on there ( which for linux there is practically none) - it would at WORST delete your home directory or fill your hard drive up if you don't have quotas set or partitoning setup up well.
Before you run your mouth it's good to make sure you knoiw what your talking about. - manifestdata, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Wow, 284 unsafe and I didn't get a single virus. Stop being a newb and downloading your hacks for the Hello Kitty game and counter-strike and you won't get viruses. ANY computer is going to be as safe as the user. Put a porn browsing "serialz and passwordz" loving teenager on a Mac or Linux machine and I bet they will still get malicious software.
- Madcowz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8"Really, the only reason it's popular right now is because it's a fad to use Linux and/or bash Microsoft."
And there was me thinking it had been popular for quite some time now!
/Mad - gweedo767, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ricodued: yeah, if only Linux had the power to get Media Center devices into people's homes...I mean, if someone...like say "TiVo" would just use Linux and not Windows Home Server Edition, that would do it! Or maybe, just maybe someone like DISH Network would use it, that would do the job!
If you don't already know, TiVo devices and DISH Network DVR's all run Linux. There are FAR more Linux powered and other Proprietary Embedded OS powered Media Center devices than MS power ones period. - TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Yes.. because a hacker would really want to break into the server to switch the washing machine on for you...
- Darth_tater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2or maby they want ease of use and integration into their already existing network
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yet more proof my phones are bugged.
To be honest, I don't see why MS would offer this, when they could just extend the media centre concept into a home hub idea, and then sell them as different packages, to suit people who want varying levels of the experience.
duh - usergentoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just get Ximeta NetDisk for your nas server its smaller and cheaper compared to running another pc. Although its not as good as a linux nas server it still makes a good file share and storage solution.
- TheZorch, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7I dug you back up a point Phocion55.
I find it rather interesting that people will Digg down commenter who speak about the benefits of Linux....especially when they aren't evangelizing it like a lot of die hard Linux fanatics sometimes do. Perhaps it because you can't handle the truth that Linux is superior to Windows in certain areas. Yes, more computers in the world use Windows but that's not because its popular. Its because MS forces vendors to install their OS. Face the truth people, Linux has evolved into a very powerful OS and its only going to get better as time passes. While it takes Microsoft years to develop a new OS with only minimal improvements (I don't know if you'll call whats in Vista an improvement or a downgrade) Linux distros come out sooner and with several larger improvements with each release. - TravisS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I am almost positive there is linux software that allows you to run a homeserver pretty easily on linux, maybe not easy enough for a person that doesn't know a whole lot about computers, but why would a person like that need a homeserver anyway? There's always install debian/ubuntu -> apt-get install samba webmin-samba then add some shares and you have a really simple partially unconfigured fileserver
- celerate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@HalfNakedPappy
If you read the first paragraph of the article you'll see that this isn't specifically a web server, in fact the article talks more about home automation and centralized file storage. As far as web servers are concerned there are already plenty of free ones for most platforms, and Windows actually already has some of the easiest amateur web servers, so there'd be no reason for MS to step into that market. - lacronicus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1once again, people like you are trools that simply bash windows for the problems of a ten year old os. even a half way decent computer user will not crash windows. i dont, in fact, windows has been fairly stable, and will be if you give it decent hardware. sure, give xp a pentium 3, 128 megs of ram and it will be crappy, but give it some decent parts and its great. the apple hardware is probably half the reason osx is so stable. as much as i dont like apple, props to them for the fact that they dont send out crap from their factories. unlike a certain pc vendor we all know. but if you put windows on a mac, itll run pretty well. more stable anyway. so come on, quit dissing windows for your crappy hardware.
- lacronicus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1phocion, that is a compete overgeneralization. the zombies of dell simply buy what they are given, but they dont know whats better, because dells do what they want, so they are content and have no reason to go elsewhere. i mean, windows comes free, and usually comes with word if they need it. if not, then they but something free. they also go by the phrase "you get what you pay for" which is also true. the rest of the windows users either need or want to use it. i use it far games, and i have no wish to dual boot. i tried it, and while linux was useful, i have no need to go through the ahrdships of setting up a linux box jsut for the sake of having one. i also use many other programs that only run on windows. i do know its benefits, but the difficulties outweigh those. if i need to set up a home server i will take the time, but only because i have a skill with computers no one else i know has. they could probably not even install the windows os by themselves, let alone install linux, so if they have a need for this, it is a wise choice.
- trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You do realize that there is such a thing as word wrap and you don't have to put hard returns everywhere and screw up
the
formatting. - breakaway, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why digg "andyrobo60" down? He's right.
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, I don't understand why people seem to think you need a Media Center Edition of your OS just to be able to stream video, or why you'd need a Server Edition to be able to serve files.
The role that machine plays is defined by how you use it and what services you enable. It doesn't have to be specially branded as such. The machine I'm typing this on is both my primary desktop, and fileserver for the winxp machine to my right, and stores plenty of video to entertain me when played via the xbox+xbmc in the living room.
What's next, Microsoft Windows Checking Email Edition, specially optimised to run Outlook on startup? - Justin6512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1oh god! not a "Windows" home server!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
- spjmm0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I use windows everywhere and honestly, why would somone get this? Find a dedicated NAS device that does not require so much hardware.
- yabos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@ helpmii
Haven't you heard of Open Directory? It's a direct competitor for MS Acitve Directory. I agree Linux will probably never replace all Windows machines in corporate settings but there are places where it can be used, one of them being servers. - anphanax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What are you using to transfer files?
- Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I haven't been able to get uConnect to work with Vista yet - it lists the USB and Skype as 'disconnected.'
Neither Skype or VoIP Integration, who makes the uConnect, provide support or answer support emails. Their web site hasn't been updated in over a year. - infinite411, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Would this in essence allow you to turn your computer into a p2p sharing server. I would welcome a service that allows you to share specific items on your local drive then have those contents streamed to a youtube like site.
This would be extremely cost effective seeing as video sharing websites like youtube dosen't have to store the file on their servers. They would however need to communicate on a daily basis the files you have available and remove them from their search indexes when your computer can't be reached.
I would be a bitch on your upload bandwidth thoug. - Reno582, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1as for web serving, use apache or some other linux based NOS
- turdboogaloo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I ain't the smartest when it comes to Unix OSes but I was able to get FreeNAS up and running in about half an hour on an old PC that was lying around. It does the trick and doesn't need much to run. It does what it is supposed to do and it was easy to set up. It is cool the Microsoft is putting out a home server but I think I will stick with my FreeNAS for foreseeable future.
- Reno582, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well the most Home Users need is a media server, install a big ass harddrive, load up Vista and connect a media center extender, and there you go.
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