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- shallot, on 09/15/2008, -38/+239"The trendsetting crowd is with the Mac and, to a lesser but still significant extent, Linux, not Windows"
WTF, this guy thinks world runs on Macs...wake up moron... - inactive, on 09/15/2008, -10/+164Google was correct in writing the browser for Windows first. All they need to do is spread the word and enough people will download it. If you write for Mac and Linux first you are automatically capping growth at a much small number of machines. Google wants a mainstream audience and Windows is as mainstream as it gets.
- nrox653, on 09/16/2008, -27/+104The trendsetting crowd is Mac? and Linux? WTF? Windows dominates most of the market!
- NinjaBull, on 09/15/2008, -7/+50Who cares? Once I have my speed, it's all good!
*twitches* - Gndoab, on 09/16/2008, -2/+45not only that, he is blasting Google for using OPEN SOURCE libraries!
- Chickenlip, on 09/15/2008, -11/+51I'll be just pleased as punch if Chrome never makes it to any other OS. As I see it, its only purpose is to raise the bar among the browsers, and if it makes MS create a better, more standards compliant, sturdy browser, then it has served its purpose.
- ppilatee, on 09/16/2008, -7/+44Right.... appealing to 90% of the desktop market, another massive mistake by Google, incoming bankruptcy filing.
- shark72, on 09/16/2008, -1/+32Buried as lame. Chrome is targeted at Windows and its purpose is to take share away from IE/LiveSearch. The author has a beef with them using a Microsoft-produced open source library for doing screen output because it's Windows-centric? Sounds to me like Google's picking the right tool for the job.
- aliguana, on 09/16/2008, -8/+35if it had Mac inside, like iTunes does, then it would take 5 minutes to load, run 6 background processes, lag really slowly every time you scroll... apps should be native to which ever system the run on. Sorry, but in my experience it's true. Otherwise you end up with Java...
- goofygarber, on 09/16/2008, -7/+33Dominate doesn't equal trendsetting... in fact, its often the polar opposite. Does anyone accuse The Gap of being a trendsetter?
- tnerd, on 09/15/2008, -7/+31Really interesting article, thanks for sharing.. from what I know and observed.. Google does not do anything without a reason,especially when founders are directly involved in a project like Chrome.
- TheMachine1, on 09/16/2008, -3/+24I removed Chrome. I thought it was lame it had an update daemon running for a minimalist web browser. Which by the way does not remove itself when you remove Chrome. I had to remove it from the start menu.
- FireSlash, on 09/16/2008, -6/+27Yes and no.
Google was right for releasing on windows; but maybe not for their "port it later" policy.
The biggest selling point of chrome is that it's fast. Now, we all love fast things, but lets step back and look at it from a programmer's standpoint.
When you write a program for Linux, pretty much all of your libraries have direct Windows ports. Odds are these libraries are also open source, so you can fiddle and tweak as needed, but they'll probably work fine out of the box with little/no modification. A multi-OS release schedule under this methodology is easily attainable, but there may be a minor performance sacrifice across all boards due to the unified code base.
When you write a program for windows, almost none of your code has reliable Linux/Mac ports. MFC/.Net have some shady unstable solutions (mono, winelib) but none of these are particularly ideal, nor are they fast, streamlined, or anything short of a last minute "oh *****, you wanted a linux/mac release?". You can back port the code by ripping out massive sections and transplanting OS specific sections, but this leads to release segregation, and makes optimization more difficult since you now have three drastically different code bases to work with, shadily glued together at the top. Your program will work great in windows, but be slow/unstable/unusable in linux/mac/etc. These ports generally are not properly maintained and eventually vanish (See IE for mac)
So yes, if Google was only targeting the Windows user base, then they made the right decision. If they wanted to go after the linux/mac crowd as well, they made a massive mistake unless they intend to write three separate browsers.
What makes less sense about this decision (to me) is that they're only really competing against non-IE users. Anyone who was going to switch from IE has already done it, a vast majority of people still using IE are using it because they are too lazy/don't care/don't know enough to download anything else, and releasing yet another compact streamlined browser (that doesn't offer anything realistically new to these users) isn't going to turn these people into switchers. - Junior612, on 09/16/2008, -5/+25***** you two of my friends died while trend setting with Zunes.
- kaelyiesta, on 09/16/2008, -3/+21Google designed chrome intentionally to help kill off IE. Releasing another webkit rendering browser on other platforms would not advance this effort more than starting on PCs.
- Zap2, on 09/16/2008, -4/+21What?
Put it on OS X, Apple will need to make Safari better(which means both the Windows and Mac OS one), put it on Linux, firefox will want to improve because its whole market is "under attack" - inactive, on 09/16/2008, -2/+19Firefox became mainstream not because of a mac or even linux. It was the windows version that made the world sit up and take notice. the earlier version of FF were not that great on Safari and only okish on linux. The windows version was known to be the best one pre 3.0.
- inactive, on 09/16/2008, -0/+15I ran chrome the first time and saw GoogleUpdate.exe
WTF
What google, are there patches that are just coming out every 10 seconds?
And you never asked me if I wanted this, just gave it to me. - darklights, on 09/16/2008, -5/+20Lets analyse this.
Trend:
–noun 1. the general course or prevailing tendency
Are macs or linux the prevailing technology?
No. - 68EC000, on 09/16/2008, -1/+14Chrome is pretty neat, and I appreciate the speed, but for now and the near future I'm sticking with Firefox. I'll check back in a few months! Hopefully there will be a Linux client by then.
- brundlefly76, on 09/16/2008, -1/+14Since when are Mac users 'trendsetters' in the browser wars?
I don't see a lot of Windows users using Safari over Firefox. - Jedakiah, on 09/16/2008, -1/+14I still have Chrome. But that is a valid complaint and one I share.
Any company that has a background update program should always ask if you want it. I am thoroughly disappointed in Google in this regard. - Benno, on 09/16/2008, -0/+12Codeweavers released a crossover port of chrome for mac and linux:
http://www.codeweavers.com/services/ports/chromium ...
It's obviously not as fast as a native port would be, but it's nice for web developers - Myztry, on 09/16/2008, -0/+12A path becomes well worn, not by those who carve out the path, but by the multitudes who are followers.
- salmonmoose, on 09/16/2008, -5/+17This guy thinks Linux makes a difference - Google chrome already accounts for more of our traffic than all Linux browsers combined, and it's rapidly catching OSX as well.
*I'm a recent Linux convert, but I have no illusions to "this being the year of Linux". - inactive, on 09/16/2008, -1/+11Yeah, google updater is pretty devious and rides along with all google downloads. It never asks if you want to check for updates. It also stays behind when you remove google products, automatically runs at all times, rather than when you launch a google product, and as it doesn't belong to a specific product, there's no option to turn it off - you basically have to regedit it away
- NJank, on 09/16/2008, -0/+10reason = finding the ones that stick. there SHOULD be more failed attempts than successful one. that's how development works. if it wasn't that way, I'd start wondering who in the company has the crystal ball.
- LMN8R, on 09/16/2008, -6/+16buried. What stupid, nonsensical claims.
- scruffles, on 09/16/2008, -2/+11Everyone here seems to be missing something. The author wasn't claiming that Windows is a bad target market. He's claiming that 'Windows-Only' is a bad decision. The architecture used in Chrome is going to be difficult to port to other operating systems, and in this day and age, that is a mistake.
Had they chosen a cross-platform framework (like firefox, and to a lesser extent, Safari), then they could get to the Linux and Mac market quicker. That's important because Linux and Mac people are more likely to try a new browser than the typical Windows user (most of which don't know that there IS an alternative to Explorer). - e2superman, on 09/16/2008, -1/+10As was said above. 90% over all people on the planet use Windows. If you want to get a product to market then Windows is the obvious choice.
- merwin, on 09/16/2008, -3/+12Have you forgotten one of google's revenue streams is AdWords? Why would they disable their own ads? I could see a plugin interface and someone else writing the ad-blocker plugin but Google is not going to do it.
- Riggs54, on 09/16/2008, -1/+9Still awaiting a replacement for my bloated FF3 in OS X. Chrome could do it for me if they add plug-in support or just build in a ad-blocker as a default function. I would even be happy with a function that turns all ads into google ads. At least they arent annoying and take forever to load.
- mCanada, on 09/16/2008, -3/+10The cool kids will always use Coleco Vision and that's the truth.
- whodathunk, on 09/16/2008, -0/+7You clearly don't realize that it (as is safari) was built on webkit, which is a modified version of khtml, which is part of kde, which was made for linux...
Besides that, it's not 'free' as in beer that matters in open source, but it's free as in 'free speech' that drives open source. If you want free as in 'free beer', then stick with your pirated or preinstalled 'came free with the computer' windows and crappy 'shareware'.
Like you said yourself, you're not a developer, because _if_ you were one, you'd be more informed... - misterdrumz, on 09/16/2008, -4/+11I knew bunch of mac fanboys would come out and moan that they weren't invited to the cool new browser party.
Chrome has replaced IE8 on my machine, still use FF3 though. Chrome is soo fast! :) - RobotBuddha, on 09/16/2008, -0/+7"The simple fact "
Is that the parent is right. This isn't how you write a program that's intended to be crossplatform. The end result is usually a fragmented and overly bloated codebase, precisely what they were hoping to avoid. It probably won't be of any huge significance, but it's still a bad foot to get the project started on. - phatboye, on 09/16/2008, -0/+7Exactly why I uninstalled.
- Giga, on 09/16/2008, -0/+7"ZERO have made one penny in profit since Ad sense, by the way"
That's not quite true. Gmail may not earn anything directly, but it gets more users eyes on Adsense so does actually increase the amount of revenue. - slugicide, on 09/16/2008, -1/+8"The trendsetting crowd is with the Mac and, to a lesser but still significant extent, Linux[...]" I'm sorry, but when you think bleeding-edge do you think Mac? Windows? We know where the geeks are.
- chrispen, on 09/16/2008, -2/+8The thing to remember is that some have succeeded and really that is all that matters.
- doctordbx, on 09/16/2008, -1/+7I'm thinking if you want rapid and almost instant mass appeal... you're going to target Windows.
- AceyS, on 09/16/2008, -3/+8Most popular laptop manufacturer for college campus' : Macbooks
In the younger markets, where the web 2.0 scene is getting its big boost, such as digg, facebook, gmail...
I would definitely say the younger generation, the trend setters, are in fact mac and linux users.
Or you could mistake millions of house moms and the thousands of tech illiterate corporate drones as the cutting edge of the internet... - inactive, on 09/16/2008, -1/+6It's just a beta web browser. People act like its the second coming of Christ. Seriously your not missing much. It renders fast. It locks up sometimes. Its beta. Still uses the same internet.
- iofthestorm, on 09/16/2008, -0/+5Sure Safari is Webkit, but Safari doesn't have the V8 Javascript engine.
- AmazingAndrex, on 09/16/2008, -0/+4Correct, Java the syntax is mostly excellent. The VM however has only recently begun to shake off the stigma that it's slow as noodles.
- seltaeb4, on 09/16/2008, -20/+24Yes. The trendsetting crowd *is* Mac and Linux.
The only reason Windows ever took a dominant spot is that the nickel-and-dimers who ran companies when computers were first adopted simply didn't understand *value,* they *only* understood *cost.* "Why should I pay more for Macs? It's just a keyboard, a monitor, and a box full of something anyway—same thing."
Think about your office supply closet at work. Is it full of good pens, like Uni-Ball? Or is it full of a bunch of cheap crap Office Depot ballpoints that clog and quit working after 15 minutes? (But hey, those Office Depot pens cost less, therefore, they are "better," right? This is the way Finance departments think.) - Thousand, on 09/16/2008, -3/+7I seriously just fired Diet Coke out my nose.
- jakem1, on 09/16/2008, -0/+4You see this sort of thing too often from Google and Apple. There are major issues with the impact that their software has on Windows. If they want to release their own software for Windows then at least make sure that it works properly and doesn't bog down the OS.
- RizenBB, on 09/16/2008, -2/+6When did the power users switch to Macs?
I am really getting of reading articles which denote Mac users as "the" suave, technically elite computer group. All of the power users and businesses I know are still using Windows (including anyone who play games, which makes up a large chunk of the enthusiast market) or an iteration of Linux. The only people I know who use Macs are the trendwhore college kids who got Mom and Dad to buy them a MacBook for class. -
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