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- pockyrevolution, on 10/12/2007, -22/+98Please remember this is
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FTA "And it's not just one or two people. A quick read through these forums revealed around 10 people with the problem" Um hi CNET, 10 people is really not that many ! - jsetoh, on 10/12/2007, -15/+65CNET reporter reporting serious crap! for God's sake! its in beta! you call 10 people having problems news?! try checking out the microsoft support site you find tons of mega news there
- PhysicsTheory, on 10/12/2007, -7/+46The majority of the problems are caused by people not reading instructions and installing Windows over the MacOS partition, which Apple really can't control given the current implementation. This is a beta test for a reason.
- Odweaver, on 10/12/2007, -12/+49jrbrewin,
Yeah, apple shouldn't release software that can allow the user to delete thier own files, shame on them for releasing it without modifying the windows installer so the user can't install on the wrong partition, SHAME ON THEM!
Seriously though, no amount of programming can prevent user error, "Make it idiot proof, and someone will make a better idiot." - SixSider, on 10/12/2007, -8/+39Ten people on the apple forums (and to be honest some of the TWiT folks too) have reported this. The title is a little misleading. "SOME Boot Camp usersreporting serious crashes." But still something to consider.
I haven't had a lick of problem except for Oblivion making my MBP a bit hot at times. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -18/+46Welcome to windows
- rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29"The majority of the problems are caused by people not reading instructions and installing Windows over the MacOS partition, which Apple really can't control given the current implementation. This is a beta test for a reason."
Exactly. How is Apple supposed to make the Windows installer not allow you to select the wrong partition? The Boot Camp instructions are very clear about which partition you need to select. - Takumi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22at first when i installed i thought i had lost my osx, but it was simply a matter of changing the bootdisk in windows, which then allowed me to choose which OS to boot, i believe this may be wats happening to alot of people
- FrostyFire, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Also known as a PEBKAC error, people are formatting the wrong partition.
- scrytch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Or just don't be a fan at all, and use what works for you - if that is both Windows and Mac OS then fine.
Regards,
Shane. - brandonhines, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Superior like your spelling?
Yeah, that's about right. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16This is what happens when the word "Beta" gets thrown around. A REAL beta piece of software gets released and people are mad because it might not work correctly. Remember, Beta is not just a Sony Video Format.
- plkrtn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Isn't it great how Windows has native spell check built into it like a Mac... oh... wait...
- bluehouse, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Isn't this Beta software? ***** likes this happens when you use Beta software. I would imagine any OS running on top of a BIOS emulator would run into problems especially is the emulator was still in development.
- elbazo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+23Why is this being modded down, he's perfectly right. This is beta software...what were you expecting?
- cius, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22Yea, it is Beta, you can't really expect all the bugs to be hammered out yet.
- idesign, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16OMG 10 people and others are commenting! SKY IS FALLING!
This article is a perfect example why C|Net sucks hard. - Bren, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I agree, pure bull *****. So Apple doesn't actually abuse the BETA tag. Too bad some people have followed google and equated beta with production level. I also agree that, as previously commented, it's probably more PEBCAK (prob exists b/n chair and kb) than anything else. I didn't have any problems with the install. There are drivers left to be written though, like for iSight, and as a result if you click on it in explorer, you pass go and get straight to BSOD. Not a big surprise.
- MacApprentice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13This article is pure FUD. Most, if not all, of the problems are caused by two things: not reading the f__king instructions, or trying to use a slipstreamed Windows install disc, rather than what the instructions tell you to do (if they had read them).
- seattle98104, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13this digg title, and the c|net should be changed to:
"Ten noobs, over in the Apple.com forums, installed windows over their OS X partition. It's teh funny!!" - SeenByMany, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Worst tech article I've ever seen...shame on CNET.
"SOMETHING MIGHT BE WRONG...EVERYBODY PANIC". CNet should know better than this. If 10 people having a tech problem is big news, CNet, DIGG, and every other site on the net would never have time to cover BootCamp, cuz they would be too busy covering Internet Explorer. - leonbev, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Google abuses the word "beta", though, by using it on products that they've already released to the general public. Hell, GMail should have come out of Beta over a year ago.
- jonbruc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I just looked at the discussion board, and many of the users issues include "What games are you playing on Bootcamp" and "Have you loaded Vista". I definitely think this is cnet blowing things out of proportion.
- jk_baller23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I wonder what the percentage is? This only mentions 10 people out of how many? This is why Boot Camp is a beta.
- dime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10CNET is quickly becoming the National Enquirer of tech journalism.
Or maybe it's always been this way and I've been blind.
Or maybe I'm just cranky today.
Goddamn I'm confused. - elbazo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Thats why its a beta, gees why are people complaining.
This is all googles fault for making stuff work in beta, now we expect all software to when in fact it usually doesn't. - Jomwilli, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9BETA my ass, Boot Camp is and always will be two things. 1) Partitioning software 2)Driver Installation Wizard/Guide. No more, no less. It's not going to get better, maybe some drivers will be re-written to work better with Vista or XP, but all in all Boot Camp isn't going to change guys.
Learn to love all OS's, don't fall for the West Coast -East Coast crappola that you Pavlovian Schmucks haven't learned yet. Nix,Win&OSX all have different advantages. - xoineg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Maybe those are the people that are new to the mac and don't know what they are doing.
1- Putting your finger on the Option key (and holding it) lets you choose what OS to boot from
2- if you go to control panel select the startup disk either mac or windows. this will make it the defult OS.
Now apple does recomend you print the instructions and read them.....I've been using it since it came out, have not had any problems yet.....Only trojans and viruses, but them again it is windows....
Instructions:
http://images.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/pdf/Boot_Camp_Beta_Setup_Guide.pdf - neofactor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Can you say BETA!!!!
Doc... this trial medicine you gave me for Cancer made my head hurt.. you bastards! - pierre, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9No problems here, works like a charm on my intel mac mini. Very slick.
- SockToy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8My mac book pro had the same problem after the win XP install. Everything went in fine but windows munged the OSX partition slightly, such that OSX wouldnt boot if you used the option button on startup or the startup disk control panel.
Booting off the OSX install disk, selecting 'disk utility' and 'repair' on the OSX partition fixed it up and since then both OS images have coexisted fine. It may be tricky for someone unfamiliar with partitions and the idea of utilities such as fsck, but it wasnt terribly complex if you do grasp those concepts. Just make sure you repair the right partition and you should be golden.
Of course, if you installed windows over your OSX partition by not following the instructions you're out of luck; but it is, at the very least, possible to follow the instructions and suffer mild file system damage. - ShibbySandwich, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I guess my problem with the matter is, how can anyone expect people to be able to handle dual booting by themselves? We're talking about apple users here. Many of them bought macs becuase they are notoriously easier to use, suggesting that they are computer morons. Can you really expect these people to be able to handle anything? Frankly, im impressed that a lot of apple users can tie their shoes, nevermind install windows on their machine.
- plkrtn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10I'm sure the release notes (which I read even though I have a PPC Mac) said that sleep mode wasn't currently available under Windows on the Apple.
- CedanticPunt, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Surely a "Blueberry Screen Of Death"
- tehJR, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Is that all you got? I was excited to see what kind of negative comment you'd come up with but you've disappointed me.
Well there's always the next Apple story. C'mon DrWho, don't let us down. - X111, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7+1 for sarcasm
- PhAdE, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6YOU'RE = YOU ARE
YOUR = OWNERSHIP
They don't own "the typical windows user", they ARE the typical windows user.
Go to school. - canyonblue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7My experience:
I have a 20 inch intel iMac. I purchased XP Home, downloaded Boot Camp and the new firmware. The process couldn't be simpler with total time to install about 60-90 minutes with the majority being the actual XP install. It works flawlessly... only the iSight doesn't work. - plkrtn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6That'd be anti-trust waiting to happen!
So of course Microsoft would try something like that...
Then again if they can't even support in 6 years half of the original Vista spec, then I don't expect much from them! - xphilter, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8this is the stupidest digg article. apple even puts something in control panel that lets you choose which OS you want when you restart, and if that doesn't work for some reason all you do is hold down the option key when you turn it on/restart and it gives you the choice.
- toasterweasel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Was your friend using the open source onmac solution? There is sleep mode support with Apple's Boot Camp but not with the hacked together onmac solution.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Has worked fine by me. Most likely these folk just hit enter on the first listed partition and didn't RTFM.
- aristobrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What's with all of the OS politics? Anyone that's been around technology enough has seen this before.
Anything that intrusively messes with a system is *guaranteed* to fubar a certain percentage of the systems. User error, hardware fluke, poorly written software, ... whatever .. it happens.
Newsgroups a few years ago were full of articles where Windows XP caused serious problems for more than a 10 people who tried to upgrade from Windows 98. Same with people going from OS X 10.whatever to 10.whatever 1. Service packs and "Apple Updates" *still* leave forums full of posts from people whose computers have "serious issues" after the upgrade.
C-Net reporting this issue (and the way some people here are going off on it) is just crazy. Boot Camp isn't going to work on 100% of the systems. Neither will the upcoming Vista upgrade. Or XP Service Pack 3. Or 10.4.7. WE ALL KNOW THIS.
Why sensationalize this? - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's a conspiracy by Microsoft! When they released XP in 2001 they included a "feature" that messes up your OS X partition! ;)
- HomelessBrian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I love reading all these comments. Am I the only Microsoft and Mac fan out there? Stop fighting and read the news. :-P
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Like others have said- Boot Camp is in beta. And it won't be shipping until Leopard ships (early 2007). So it's got a good 10 months to go.
- Raian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I installed boot camp without a problem-- made the partition 32gigs on a 20" imac... there was no crash, althought I did get a BSOD after installing AVG-- I switched to avast and the problem is gone.
- ArchAngel21x, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6It's amazing how Apple fans will rush to defend Apple beta products, but they expect Microsoft to have beta software in perfect working order. Don't believe me? Just search forums for people bitching about OneCare or IE 7.
- tsupersonic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Well, first I can't believe people here actually read Cnet. It's one of the worst places to get tech related information. It's a good place to go if you're a noob and starting to like technology, but it's nowhere as techy as it gets. It's just not a good source for digg users.
- heydigital, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7How many people want to bet they will blame the issue on Microsoft?
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