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- inactive, on 02/15/2008, -4/+328I don't understand why certain groups and people think they can stop BitTorrent - developers and users will always, ALWAYS, find a way to circumvent censorship.
- cybertron, on 02/15/2008, -4/+163I absolutely LOVE the internet. I love all that it stands for and how so many always strive to go beyond that of the proverbial "box." I realize these companies want/need to make a profit, but the world is changing. CHANGE with it, or we'll leave you behind. :-)
- groovechamp30, on 02/15/2008, -2/+124Thanks to all the people who freely give their time and skill to produce these kind of things and fight the wankers like comcast.
- alexanderhazard, on 02/15/2008, -4/+91This is made of pure badass
- wisewaif, on 02/15/2008, -7/+90Wait a minute? Comcast doesn't look out for the needs of their paying customers? Surely you jest. We should trust in Comcast that their throttling is in our best interests. I'm sure when they release their protocol for transfers, they will throttle their own traffic the same way. It's for the good of all.
- harkondo, on 02/15/2008, -3/+61The fiber optic connections the government paid billions for should have been installed. There is no excuse for these ISP claiming they needing to throttle bandwidth. They should be the ones under scrutiny.
- thedragon4453, on 02/16/2008, -3/+51As a Comcast subscriber, I can't say how happy this makes me.
However, I feel that this should only be the beginning. I personally would like to see Comcast bent over and raped buy a big black guy named Verizon FiOS. - igeoffi, on 02/15/2008, -2/+43I believe it's because Comcast advertised "unlimited bandwidth."
- thenumber8, on 02/15/2008, -5/+45can't stop human nature, aarrrrgggghhhh
- nintom, on 02/15/2008, -6/+44file SHARING FTW. =P
- orangefly, on 02/15/2008, -4/+36find a way to make dedicated bandwidth....they have the outdated business model....they need to find the solution....don't sell me something and then BITCH about how i use it....
- adamuffa, on 02/15/2008, -2/+34lol, like most of us have a choice. Hopefully soon...come on fiber!!
- UtahPirate, on 02/15/2008, -6/+34Yes you can... by killing people! And that's about the only way. And, for what it's worth, the internet works by making copies, so if they'd rather we fill up their overbooked bandwidth with other networks, then so be that. You can't stop the signal... the signal goes everywhere.
- inactive, on 02/15/2008, -5/+33WE WIN!
- inactive, on 02/15/2008, -3/+29haha! Think of the money comcast spent trying to block it, to keep from having to upgrade their network. Now they wont have a choice, they cant filter it all , pirates = win
- JoJoDilio, on 02/16/2008, -3/+29On the one hand, using BitTorrent can slow your neighbors down, so I get comcast's argument against it.
On the other hand, if they hadn't build their network so that BitTorrent would break their network, we wouldn't be having this conversation. - b0rg, on 02/15/2008, -2/+28I think comcast/verizon/etc would do well to work with companies like cisco and juniper to manage p2p traffic and make it more efficient. Tossing in a few spoofed TCP FIN's might be appropriate for an emergency - i.e. an outage that reduces network capacity temporarily. Buffoon or not, Stevens wasn't too far off in his tubes analogy. Network operators have been smart and dealt with surges in traffic such as http by putting in load-balancers and redirectors a la Akamai, which is why Yahoo or CNN still load quickly even when there's some huge news story going on.
They're probably squeamish due to the fact that most torrent traffic is... shall we say... of dubious origin? But that's kind of irrelevant; traffic is traffic, and it's not going away. It would make the 'net more useful, keep my web browsing from lagging your torrent, and both of us from making the neighbor's voip call fall apart. - jjesusfreak01, on 02/16/2008, -0/+25Yeah, airlines do this too. Its called overbooking, except when they get called on it, they apoligize profusely, put you on the next flight, and give you cash for your trouble.
- UtahPirate, on 02/16/2008, -1/+26I would if there was a choice.
- jmhyer51, on 02/16/2008, -1/+26Is that you Comcast?
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -4/+27This information is COMCASTIC!
- Drizzit, on 02/16/2008, -0/+23huh?
- UtahPirate, on 02/15/2008, -1/+21AKA "overbooking"
- UtahPirate, on 02/16/2008, -0/+20Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) has said that would be acceptable. Last June, IIRC. Right before it was discovered that his web site was using pirated java software.
- dattaway, on 02/16/2008, -1/+18Thanks to Comcast, we now have port hopping encryption and difficult to maintain networks. We won't know worm traffic from web traffic. This is bad.
- 89992, on 02/16/2008, -2/+19Up yours Comcast! Take that bitches!
- dark1587, on 02/15/2008, -2/+18Remember we are talking about the internet here, ladies and gents. If a segment (think beyond the hops between routers) goes down in the network, we always find another way to route around it. The encryption is just another way to route around the forged TCP packets.
- antifreeze11, on 02/16/2008, -0/+16great for you guys. hope they dont step up their policies to the level of Rogers here in Canada, which blocks all encrypted traffic.
http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs - JoshuaH, on 02/15/2008, -3/+19Sounds like good news.
- igeoffi, on 02/15/2008, -6/+22And then they'll sue you for millions because you're harming their outdated business model.
- lateralus, on 02/16/2008, -0/+14as a mere spectator, i gotta say the suspense is riveting.
... - zonk3r, on 02/15/2008, -4/+18I'm not sure how effective this will be if Comcast decides to start looking at how many open connections an IP address has and how often it switches. Many ISPs use this as a sign of P2P usage and will ding your speed because of it even if it is legitimate usage and no copyright infringement is taking place.
- nonsequitor, on 02/16/2008, -0/+14That fixes only one side of the connection, not both. Plus it breaks TCP.
- fancyj, on 02/16/2008, -0/+13thank god i'm not alone on that one.
- earthforce1, on 02/16/2008, -0/+13Which is why I ditched rogers totally. Thanks to this crap, they lost me as a phone, internet, and eventually cable customer, and I told them exactly why when they called to ask why I was disconnecting. (F2A satellite rocks!) I need to VNC into work and damned if I would do it (or my online banking) over a unencrypted connection!
My new ISP is smaller technically slower, (5MBPS instead of 11) but at least they respect network neutrality, and I reach a competent tech right away who doesn't treat me like a leper when I tell them I am running linux, and genuinely tries to solve my problem instead of reading from a script. I had been a loyal Rogers VIP package customer from the first year they started offering high speed internet, (the wave) but their recent behavior made me determined to be rid of them for good. (And I am - I even ditched my cable for F2A satellite when they tried to raise rates during the writers strike) - Smiegel, on 02/16/2008, -0/+13Here Here! I raise my glass to them.
- crzdmn, on 02/16/2008, -0/+13Next Week: Bit torrent users on Comcast are being systematically destroyed by sending giant power surges through their modems causing computers to electrocute users to death.
- UtahPirate, on 02/15/2008, -1/+14IIRC, they *are* under scrutiny by the FCC.
- UtahPirate, on 02/16/2008, -0/+12Arrrr you sharing?
- UtahPirate, on 02/16/2008, -0/+12Comcast overbooks their bandwidth. Thus, normal use shrinks it. And the issue is not DOWNLOADING on torrents, it's SHARING so that the technology actually works. Comcast does interfere with the traffic, and that's wrong, because their reasons are profit-driven: they're blocking uploads in order to protect their cable television shows and premium movie channels. It's essentially the prime argument for net neutrality in action... because if that legislation had passed, they wouldn't be allowed to do it, and would be heavily fined if caught.
- mmackay804, on 02/16/2008, -0/+12Not sure why people are digging you down. The problem you're having likely isn't Comcast, it's your router. You probably have a wi-fi router and those can only take so many open connections before it just stops trying. There are firmware hacks out there that can solve your problem.
- dark1587, on 02/16/2008, -1/+13That's what QoS is for. You can set certain traffic to have a higher priority than others. However to implement that would require networking know-how as well as some hefty costs. But these are businesses; they'd rather do what's cheap than what's the best for everyone.
- Azuroth, on 02/16/2008, -0/+11And if you understand the article you read, it's a protocol extension to Bit Torrent in general, not an enhancement to a specific client. Firetorrent would have to be updated to understand the new protocol.
From TFA (emphasis mine): "This new form of encryption will be implemented in BitTorrent clients INCLUDING uTorrent" - guerrilla_suit, on 02/15/2008, -8/+19If you are still with Comcast, change ISP's.
- tj111, on 02/16/2008, -0/+11After a long day, this news put a smile on my face. The funny thing is that the MAFIAA has been suggesting ISPs filter bittorent/p2p protocols. If I'm not mistaken, "obscuring the ip-port pairs" will make it much harder for them to track illegal file sharers, interwebz - 123345345, Com/MAFIAA - 0.
- igeoffi, on 02/16/2008, -2/+12FYI: My above comment was supposed to be sarcastic.
- UtahPirate, on 02/16/2008, -0/+10Depends on how it's done. My router ignores (and filters) more than 1 reset per minute, as well as verifying the integrity of the packet. If the packet looks bogus or if it comes too often, it ignores it.
- UtahPirate, on 02/16/2008, -0/+10It's not "throttled" it's "reset" by sending a TCP header packet. But yes, there are markets where they don't do it because it's "not problematic" due to their not being overbooked. Here in Utah, for example, they filter *ALL* bittorrent traffic on the upload end of things. You can swarm in, but heaven forbid you be allowed to share!
- CoolWind, on 02/16/2008, -0/+10both
- nonsequitor, on 02/16/2008, -0/+9Bram Cohen, the creator of the bittorrent protocol is working for a company which bought uTorrent. This no longer means anything since the protocol has a life of its own now. Expect to see this functionality in every actively maintained client. Vuze (formerly Azureus), uTorrent, etc..
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