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- Maxtrosity, on 10/12/2007, -9/+50Macs will never overcome Windows as long as industry software (AutoCAD, Solidworks, Matlab, LabView) are Windows only. No company will buy Apple just to run Windows in parallel.
- Maxtrosity, on 10/12/2007, -13/+38blocked for using $ as S, seriously, please stop doing that
- slugicide, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Well, thanks for being polite. If you get buried, don't take it too hard--it's the way we roll.
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21james, self promotion of your own site, when you appear to have little to no other interaction with the Digg community, is looked down upon by many members of this site. Also referred to as "blogspam".
Your article appears well written and you don't seem to be doing it just for hits from Digg, so you won't get treated too harsly I think, but expecting people who read and comment about it here to also comment on your blog, can come across as asking for something extra. You did ask nicely though, so I will try to follow up if I can later. - Amosis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21I agree, Microsoft can't afford to allow multiple releases of Apples product before we even expect a new update to Windows. All of this sounds all well and good but how sure are we that this is the actual development plan? I mean come on look at Vienna, "Speech Recognition will become a major input device (though it may not replace the keyboard and mouse) and will be supported by most third party applications" do you really expect that to become a big hit?
- TheWorm, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24They're picking up the pace a little and keeping windows fresh and up to date, which is good for them because their features won't be so outdated by the time of the next release. Vista was in development for years while Apple was releasing 4 new issues of OS X.
- khag7, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25If Macs overcome then viruses will be written for them and not for windows and then windows will be getting attention b/c its the underdog and it doesn't have viruses for it and macs will get made fun of and be lame and windows will be the cool cutting edge. Everything will just flip flop after a few years of macs being more abundant.
- Frost9999, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16They get the OS codenames from places where they hold meetings and conferences while developing the OS. For example "Longhorn" is the name of a bar in Whistler, Canada. And "Whistler", another codename, is a town in Canada with lots of bars, including the Longhorn... (and other features). So, Fiji and Vienna make some sense when you think about it that way.
The Longhorn is a good bar btw. :) - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Amosis, it doesn't have to be a "big hit" for it to become a good idea to build support for it into the OS.
When XP was released, most new computers did not come with 3D acceleration built in, but it was already apparent that new developments in video cards would either be adding more memory or improving the GPU performance beyond what was needed for 2D rendering. So they adjusted planning for the next OS around that understanding, which is why Vista was built on the idea of a hardware accelerated GUI.
TheWorm, Microsoft released a Service Pack for XP, a new version of their Server OS, and a 64bit version of XP within the time frame you are talking about. So they weren't exactly standing still during all that time either. - khag7, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14@ the numbers dude
blocked for having numbers in your name and no letters.. you're lame - Zolk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10The description for Vienna sounds exactly like what Longhorn/Vista was originally envisioned as. I'll believe it when I see it.
- raptordrew, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I definitely hate Matlab, no matter the platform.
- trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Matlab works in OSX, sure it's through X11 but it does work.
- alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@ cquinnd about TheWorm
You forgot about Tablet PC and Media Center edditions. Amazing stuff... - nuclearpenguins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Why is there no Microsoft category? Yes, I know Digg hates MS and loves Apple, but it only being the most popular OS in the world should count for something.
- 4NDr01D, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8so basically I shouldn't bother upgrading XP if a Vienna is on the way in 3 years...
- pepsihabbit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I liked xp and I like vista. Some people just look for anything to bash Microsoft
- cdgrocott, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Because they need us to find all the bugs for them.
- DTRNathen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Can anyone say "Delayed for 2 years" ?
- badlandz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Macs won't become the majority because Apple is in it to sell their hardware at a premium. A company is not going to shell out the extra cash for Macs when Dell is selling cheaper computers. Where the businesses are is where the software will be. Apple will always have that niche market.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8There's no real reason to 'flush out' the Windows code. What we seen when the source of Win2000 was leaked was the MS still have some _very_ good programmers.
- trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Finally, Windows Vienna sounds like something to be really excited about. I really hope they flush out all their Windows code and start over, hopefully the reason why they leave in such old code is to keep compatibility and since the goal of this release is to break that, all the code in Windows Vienna will be brand new. Hopefully this generation of programmers can do things right from their own start instead of trying to build off of the past generations code.
- m0laria, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Im pretty sure he means Open Source Software.
- alamandrax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@ Maxtrosity:
i'd check your sources. LabVIEW was first designed to work exclusively on apple computers and was then, later, ported to Windows. It is still supported and developed for Apple Macs.
Besides, it works perfectly fine on Linux too. How do I know, their website says so. http://www.ni.com/labview/ - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4[quote]Speech Recognition will become a major input device[/quote]
Microsoft must live in an alternate reality. Speech recognition has existed without MS officially including it in Windows for years, and it has never proven to be a very desired feature for desktop computing. There is nothing that MS can do to significantly improve upon existing SR systems.
You know what the problem is? MS believes its own hype. MS doesn't listen to its customers, it listens to its own PR department.
Step out of your ivory tower into the real world sometime, MS. Actually, in MS's case it's not an ivory tower, it's a black tower with spikes and flames coming out of it. - GerryW, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's the overarching theme of the topic. I'm not particularly excited about Vista myself; I was just stating why I'm compelled to stay with Microsoft and Vista (or XP for as long as I can). I didn't really explain that, did I.
- raptordrew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Gah, edit ran out on me too... anyways, I've also never understood why some people think Apple coming out with 4 versions of their OS in a few years is better than one solid version with updates through the years... I had to maintain a lab of Macs for my yearbook class in highschool, and since our teacher wanted the newest of stuff always, we'd end up getting the new version as soon as it came out, and then be stuck with a couple printers/scanners that didn't have driver support for a while... that always drove me nuts. And I ended up leaving panther on one computer for a printer/scanner, because tiger would not detect the darn thing, no matter what I tried.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It will use a biometric activation scheme that will involve attaching electrodes to your nipples.
- Jofaba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why would windows want to start a "radioactive transuranic element which has been synthesized"? That'd be an odd thing for them to do, wouldn't it?
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2alwaysmc2, thanks I had forgotten about the feature releases as well.
shiftt, yes those are code names for develpment projects at Microsoft, some of the features from those projects may get built into future versions of the OS, and some may get released as seperate products. - terrablebyte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I doubt Mac OS XI (?) will be released any time soon. Apple's release cycle for each Mac OS is around 2 years, and this could slow down. So it's kinda stupid comparing Windows 'Vienna' with OS XI, as the latter won't be released for *at least* 10 years.
- poet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Everything that is said in this article is EXACTLY what was PROMISED in Vista. Microsoft will always overly hype it's product to increase sales to those who do not keep updated on their shortcomings.
- cpbrown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4just start hyping up microsoft in an attempt to generate some excitement over vista - the product we have all already used
why don't they take a leaf out of apple's book and surprise us for once - q3ctf4, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Maxtrosity: (AutoCAD, Solidworks, Matlab, LabView)
Add to the list thousands of home brew applications in financial institutions, healthcare, manufacturing, etc... And we haven't even mentioned video games. - cpbrown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1lol true. says something about MS tho.
- linkinpark342, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Whatever happened to blackcomb? Is that still slated for release after all this fiji and vienna stuff or is this new stuff microsofts new tactic and they are dropping blackcomb
- HonoredMule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've been personally predicting this VM-as-an-OS trend for about 6 months to a year. I dunno that I'd go so far as to say they'd stop being an OS though. MS's greatest strength is the wide hardware support they enjoy, market penetration, and the ability they have to mediate standards, like for example how DirectX 10 brought so many components together to produce a truly more powerful and flexible rendering system. All that comes from direct control of an entire system, and they'd be crazy to give up their direct access to bare metal. Doing so would be handing their cash cow to...Linux? GoogleOS? Then why would we need anything from MS at all? One of the core reasons .NET is so much better/more performant than something like Java to begin with is the core integration into the OS itself.
This has a lot more to do with the archaism of using old-school OS API's and the vast improvement of managed code + system libraries in that managed code over Win32/POSIX in traditional compiled languages. So all I was really saying was that I expect unmanaged code to be phased out in MS' proprietary OS, and that will likely be a trend that spreads to non-proprietary systems, likely resulting in integrated support for MS apps in linux and other OS's.
Anyway, don't expect them to go out of their way to make OS-agnostic games easier to develop. MS still maintains its relevance through proprietary standards..which is still sometimes a worthy trade-off for guided innovation, or at least accelerated progress in the obvious direction. - kwilliam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Macs will never overcome Windows as long as industry software are Windows only."
The latest release of Maya (the Adobe PhotoShop of animation) was even available on Linux. - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1BeOS had nothing to lose by starting completely from scratch. I bet by the time the rewrite would have come around, they would have found themselves re-using a lot of the good ideas from the previous code.
Starting completely from scratch never turns out as easy as it sounds when you are also trying to improve upon the previous design. You are correct that Apple sort of did it during the Mac OS 9 to OSX transition, but they had been working on it since Mac System 7. - HonoredMule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I hope so too. I also hope they switch to POSIX, and game developers end up producing OS-agnostic games in droves. THAT would rock.
Well, I can dream, anyway.
What we'll probably see is the OS turn into a glorified .NET runtime. To tell the truth, that'd be a sweet outcome too, and other OS's could easily mirror that virtual machine too. Then OS-agnostic games would be easier that way. - foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1RTFA
Fiji will be the originally promised Longhorn.
Vienna will be "Windows Revolutionized.
Removing the explorer shell, etc. - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nobody said you have to use it. But there are a lot of people who have trouble with the mouse keyboard combination, and who might welcome improvements to other methods of using a computer.
- Sasquatch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Where's this info from? The WinFS team has been disbanded, and all talk of database filesystems back to square 1 for now, much as I'd love to see it happen. If they are planning to start it up again it would take more than a minor update, most Windows programs would have to be overhauled.
- shakestheclown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1After reading your comment, I did look up Microsoft's stock price, because I was confused as to what MSFT's 52week range had to do with the expectations for Vista. Considering they hit their low (21.46) sometime in June, and they hit their high (30.26) recently, and currently sits at 29.86 - I would say that Wall Street is somewhat excited about Vista.
Or maybe you were expecting a 300 billion dollar stock to double for one product?
Or should I say that wall street must not be too excited about any of Apple's (AAPL) innovations because their 52 week range is 50.16 - 93.16. 72 billion dollar stock. - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Can you say: "Worth taking the time to try and get it right"?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2And this pertains to the article...how?
- goldenmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Vienna sounds interesting... 4 years isn't that far away for all these grand innovations... I'm not sold. of course, it's Microsoft, so, who knows what'll come of it by then, and when it'll REALLY be out.
- Gerolsteiner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Oh come on, don't tell me that went over everyone's head.
...well I lolled. - motters, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What about the ones after that?
Windows DRM Apocalypse followed by Windows Exodus - realyst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The new Vienna OS's DRM will involve your PC shooting an icepick through your skull as to directly destroy the part of your brain that makes you want to download stuff. A second pick, removing the part of you not wanting to pay for what MS wants you to pay for will be incorporated into the next service pack.
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