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- johnsu01, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Yes, definitely. The point is to counter the FUD, not make more of it. The product descriptions of course don't mention the restrictions. We just want to make sure people know about them.
- Onychophora, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Just make sure to stick to verified facts, guys.
Don't sink to MS's FUD tactics.
Good luck. :-) - benitojuarez, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19So when App£e adds DRM for OSX so the hollywood ***** will allow them to play HD formats you will give them the same treatment right? Seeing as hollywood wont allow liscensed content to be legally played without these measures.
- kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Yeah, please don't post unless you have used the software.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15so badvista are trolling the amazon reviews?
greeeaaaat tactic guys, keep it up and everyone will think linux users are immature 13 year olds with no friends....
btw what does FUD mean anyway? - 3mpire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10using the £ char in App£e as a foil to M$ is really brilliant because not only does it mirror the use of a char that denotes currency in place of a letter (reminding us that Microsoft is not the only company out there looking to make a profit), but with an exchange rate of just under 2 quid to the dollar, one is reminded that the average mac is terribly overpriced as well.
- choopie911, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10FUD?
- nuclearpenguins, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11So much FUD its not even funny. Listen OSS people, it is an OS; a choice. You don't have to use it. Some of us enjoy playing the latest and greatest games and we will choose to use it. We will even choose to pay for it (some of us will I suppose, Arrr!) If you don't like the industry leader you aren't forced at gunpoint to buy it.
Spreading FUD only makes you look bad. It turns people off from your "cause" (if you think of OSS as a cause you should step back and realize that it is all just 1's and 0's, nothing to devote so much emotion to) - DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think anti-DRM efforts would be more effective if people targeted the actual studios who were creating DRM in the first place and not players and operating systems that are forced to implement it in order to play the content.
- rouben, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@geekee:
"I have an iPod. I rip CDs and put AAC files on it. No DRM used."
Have you tried getting those sound files off your iPod on a number of other computers without using any shady 3d party apps? - TomFrost, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5As much as this is flamebait, coasters has a very good point. The copies of Vista that people buy in stores or at Amazon barely impact overall use. Vista will ship on all new, cheap PCs -- Dell, HP, Gateway, the list rolls on. In a few years, most of the world will use Vista, and a very small percentage of them will have a copy that wasn't pre-installed on their system.
It sucks that such a behind-the-times OS is strongarmed into being the most popular.. but then again, I kindof like how I've never laid eyes on a virus or other trojan for my mac laptop or linux box either! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3how long until someone works out how to unlock it again though? :-p
- albi123, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Wow I can't believe some apple fanboy made a website about it. Some people have no life.
- hypnotiq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Marked as lame, asking people to spam amazon as if people can't decide for themselves, wtf
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3From what I can see, if you do that you'll be paying several hundred dollars for someone else to be "admin" on your computer and have control over the rights of your users and the permissions on your files on your computer, whatever the hell you say about it, on the grounds that you're likely to steal stuff from them.
If you want to do that then cool, but it seems more like getting back at you than at anyone else.
I've just been reading the microsoft spec on it (day off, lol) - and since most of it seems to actually be true, I can't really say "me too!" however much people behave like jerks. :( - steveatdownmix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7This is nothing short of vandalism. And I just cant wait to watch you guys freak out with "MY FREE SPEECH IS BEING VIOLATED" when Amazon removes the vandalism. As if you didn't expect this to happen all along...
- neoian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Oooh. Looks like we have some little rebels here. Tag away baddies.
- shadroth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Microsoft Is not a choice, that's the problem.
Try buying a laptop without Windows. You have about 1% of the market to choose from.
It's not about XP/Vista being good/bad or otherwise, its about MS shoving this stuff down peoples throats. Bullying OEMs into shipping it on everything they sell. Want to buy a Dell without Windows - servers and some workstations only. Desktops and Laptops all have Windows. Same for all the other big names.
That is not choice - jamesweston, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm running vista NOW and it about 10% to 20% faster than xp.
- Agret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1here is a review of vista from a source more reliable than his (disclaimer: any review located through the use of this link is purely coincidental)
http://www.google.com/search?q=vista - jgreenberg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you're looking for results of their tagging campaign so far; here are all the tags that came up for the version of Vista that I selected:
defectivebydesign (75), drm (34), badvista (14), downgrade (12), nonfree (8), defective by design (7), abusive eula (5), defective (5), drm infected (3), bad (2), expensive (2), microsoft (2), operating systems (2), os (2), vista (2) - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"""I agree that this is vandalisim. I can respect the Free Software and Open Software movements for their views, but when you start throwing FUD, submitting "reviews" that are extremely biased, and forcing your views down other peoples throats,"""
With respect, I'm an amazon user, and whilst nobody is forcing their views down my throat by writing a review, I'd rather be able to read all legitimate reviews when I'm making a decision on whether to buy something.
If there's something bad about a product I want to hear about it in the reviews, and I think you have no business deciding reviews or tags you don't like are "vandalism". There are always marketing sites if you only want good reviews of stuff, but who reads those with CC in hand!
I gather "forcing things down people's throats" means "saying things with every intention of people noticing" - since when did that become something bad?
I thought consumer awareness was a perfectly acceptable thing to encourage and spread.
"""you've crossed the line. When you start forcing your own biased views onto people and calling it "truth", you essentially lying."""
No, I'm sorry, you don't suddenly become a "liar" because TeraDyne thinks you're biased or that you're being too vocal about something.
Some people are prone to ranting, to be sure - but you're only lying if what you say isn't true, so be fair.
"""You want the truth?"""
Absolutely.
"""Step back, throw all other views to the side, and look at it for yourself."""
I'm not going to be throwing "all other views" to the side, I'm going to be taking all views into consideration, thanks! That's what you do when you buy stuff - well I do anyway. :-)
"""The only way to make an informed decision is from your own viewpoint."""
Some of us use software based on its technical qualities - that's an objective decision, and the one thing it isn't is from your own viewpoint. :-) - GregoryHeller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Of course apple will get the same treatment. FSF and DefectiveByDesign have been hammering Apple on the DRM front since June.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Locking out people who stole it? Did you read the article at all?
- justnick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3parrot -- tell 1995 that 2007 has got em and wont give em back
- Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Haven't found one "unadvertised feature" yet that "locks" me out of my computer or any features since I started using Vista betas 6 months ago. The problem with this is that most people piping in have never used Vista because of the false statements made by many other people "warning" us of the evils of Vista, people happy with Vista generally aren't going to bother posting positive tags.
DRM isn't forced on anybody. I can play non-drm content as happily as ever. If people choose to buy DRM protected content, then they do so knowing fair well that this content is protected and has limitations. If, for instance, Microsoft stopped allowing the ability to play non-DRM protected content, then I would jump on the bandwagon, but there has not been one music file, game, video, or program that I have thrown at Vista that hasn't worked because Vista didn't want it to work. - ThatsUnpossible, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7If a mainstream media outlet picks up an article about this issue and regular people read about it, they may at least ask themselves some questions: What is DRM? Why do these people think it's bad? What do they mean "defective by design"?
- Kratos76, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is absolutely ridiculous. Please read above comment by Topher06.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I agree that badvista is an almost entirely negative campaign, and is therefore likely to undesired results if any.
If the FSF expended the same amount of energy extolling the virtues of the alternatives, however unpalatable that may be in terms of compromising Software Freedom, the FSF could have ten times the impact on Vista adoption they're going to have with the badvista campaign.
Besides which, putting all of your energy into a daily campaign of negativity isn't good for the human being doing it.
All of this said, there is a perfectly credible documentary basis for the BadVista campaign's claims at the moment - or at least appears to be, it's probably a Microsoft snare to downplay valid concerns and criticisms, just like the .Net/palladium buzz was with XP. This may be a campaign to de-tooth the FSF's credibility a little bit.
If you read something that sounds like it's cooked up from people like badvista, just remember they're going with microsoft's specs and documentation, and wonder what's behind that. - ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2http://*****.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt - Darcy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I DEMAND THE FREEDOM TO PLAY MEDIA THAT USES DRM!
Why is the FSF trying to take this freedom away from me? - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Tagging players that support DRM is inaccurate. The user can buy the product and never use the DRM feature. I have an iPod. I rip CDs and put AAC files on it. No DRM used.
- Samsong, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I think locking people out who stole it is a good 'feature'....
- neoian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Oooh even better.
YouAreAnAssHat.net/dontSPAMtheDIGG - ArneBab, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Vista is being forced by sheer market-power and unawareness of users.
What this campaign can change is, that most users don't know anything about the drawbacks of vista.
Don't judge others as having the same insight you have. Most people just don't have enough time to read every news article, or even any news article except the most obvious, and they can see that something's fishy with vista from the tags on amazon.
I'm not for going wild with tagging, but I am for tagging products supporting drm as "defectivebydesign", because that might make some people think, and even if only one out of a thousand decides not to buy a song from the iTMS because of the DRM limitations, that's a success, because it limits the money flowing into making the restrictions even stronger.
And if even one decides to install Linux on a Computer instead of Vista, because Vista is build to take away your control of your own computer, then that's a success.
And yes: There are many important things out there, but you have to decide on a battlefield and trust that others will fight their own important battles, because you can only do that much.
And I think, this one is quite an important battlefield, else I wouldn't write this text right now.
And I congratulate everyone out there who uses precious time tagging Vista as "defectivebydesign", because that's what it is.
There is already far too much resignation and pessimism out there, so keep that enthusiasm!
We need people who speak up and act for their belief in freedom and free software! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2There is an Antidigg.com coming out because of anti stuff digg seems to post all the time. We have a anti-m$ campaign here on digg that needs to be exposed.
- TomFrost, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Here's Wikipedia's overview of this marketing strategy, if you'd like to read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5This is pretty pathetic and it's really not helping their cause at all. Stop trying to show how bad Vista is and start actually advertising Linux (Or whatever other FOSS thing) properly, etc.
- bonus45, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I'm buying Vista just because these guys are jerkoffs.
- chrizzle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I have an iPod. I rip CDs and put AAC files on it. No DRM used."
go buy a zune and copy your songs to it. then cry me a river when they don't play. sure you can just rip them from CD again using whatever the zune wants you to use, but what about the music you bought from iTMS? good luck getting that to play without some sort of [illegal] circumvention application. - rpkoli, on 12/06/2007, -0/+0Cheapest and the best data recovery service in the world.
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http://www.diet-article.com - Kratos76, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2This whole thing reminds me of what the republicans said was Al Gore's major downfall. He had no personality.
- RedLion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Greyarea the content that you see on iTV is the same content you can see on your mac so please stop making up stuff about apple moving the DRM to iTV because that's not true.
- skewer324, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This story and this website isn't about being pro-Linux. This is about people understanding the dangers of a DRM-mandatory OS. I'm not anti-MS specifically, but I will call out companies for making bad decisions that increase their bottom dollar at the expense of the quality of the OS.
I personally was kind of enthusiastic about Vista until I read about this. This is completely unacceptable.
Linux isn't perfect, but at least it's honest.
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx
The above is the response to some concerns. They spell out that their systems will reduce diversity and restrict users' abilities to control their own systems. I, in no way, see how that is a good thing. - Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"So when App£e adds DRM for OSX..."
They're not though - they're putting the DRM in the Apple TV set top box and keeping it *out* of the OS as much as possible.
There's good points and bad points to both solutions of course. - TomFrost, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Don't comment -- just digg down, block and move on :). (Yes, I know I'm being a hypocrite. It was necessary.)
- sqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Just skimmed through the list and it seems like every product that I'd consider buying is on the list.
Oh well, I doubt them doing this will make any effect. -
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