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- scinju, on 10/12/2007, -3/+76This is actually pretty interesting, although very basic. Personally, I prefer uTorrent, because of how small it is and how it's just a standalone no-install program, but each to their own.
Please don't start a flame war. - quadvods, on 10/12/2007, -5/+63Download link for uTorrent:
http://utorrent.com/download.php
Download link for Azureus:
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/download.php - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20By turning off DHT you limit the amount of people you can download from and by not seeding you are not propagating the file. Bittorrent works better when more people seed, and some programs even have functions that choke your download if you don't upload. Don't leech, seed at least to 100%.
- daenyth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17most likely you get such low speeds BECAUSE you turn off DHT and do not seed. your download speed is limited by your upload speed with torrents
- nicarley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Your ISP may have a cap too..
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Both programs work fine for me, they will both always max out my connection if I let them.
I just use uTorrnet because (as people have already mentioned) the size of it. - soogy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Both consume memory, though Azureus is more forward and consumes your RAM, while uTorrent consumes it from the cache. However, uTorrent comes out on top because it doesn't consume much CPU.
So...
Memory: Azureus-BAD, uTorrent-BAD
CPU: Azureus-BAD, uTorrent-GOOD
Speed: Negligible? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I didn't make any concrete conclusions because it was impossible to determine if one was superior to the other. While uTorrent tended to maintain a slightly faster download speed, both programs maxed out my system memory, the only difference being that Azureus utilized 100% clock cycles while uTorrent peaked around 35%. If you are on a laptop and on battery, your mobility will be seriously cut while using Azureus compared to uTorrent, but then again, why download torrents via Wi-Fi in the first place. Each program has something to offer, lightweight versus full sized with plug-ins and tons of features.
- mcabiling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+83.5Gigabytes in less than 30mn ? now what kind of connection did he have ??
- Pyfco, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13From my experience, if you try this on a not so fast connection, Azureus will still use a load of resources, but utorrents cache use wont be anywhere near so high. Its all java's fault not really azureuss...
- lukas88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Amazing. Amazing that the author thought it was worthy to report tests repeated only twice. A huge external factor that he has no control over is the people sending the file to him, not to mention the amount of other people also requesting the file. In order for these tests to be anywhere near valid he would have to repeat the same test at least 10 times on multiple files.
Well his conclusion seems solid, both are pretty good software. I use uTorrent, pretty much because it is small and simple. To quote albert einstein, "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." - trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I've been a Azureus user for quite a while now. Just recently I decided to try uTorrent and I am very happy with it. I still use Azureus on my Mac but for windows, uTorrent is simply kick-ass fast. I just tried Transmission for the Mac, but I really need those advance settings that Azureus and uTorrent provide. So Azureus for the Mac and uTorrent for windows, that's my 2 cents.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Like scinju said, do not start an Azureus/uTorrent flame war please, all this article does is show how both programs consume resources. While gathering data for this article, I noticed that in the end, with a 2.0+ mB/s connection, both uTorrent and Azureus were system memory hogs, the only difference was with the clock cycles. However if you have something constructive, please voice it.
- gookie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6i can top that with photoshop
- zatrix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8why is it sad? people just like to argue.
And no I'm not justifying it, I'm explaining why it happens. - kankerfist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You prefer a client to not be mainstream? Open source projects usually benefit a lot when they become mainstream...
- tmanka, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I don't think people should be running Az with less then a gig of memory. If you have the resources then you should use it, the modular design with the available plugins make azureus VERY powerful.
- CorpT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Great reason not to use something. Let me guess, you also use Linux because it's "not so mainstream myspacy". Why not use what you find best? Not using something because it's not mainstream is just as bad as using something because it is mainstream.
- Noize, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15utorrent for the win :)
- kevnaca, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Lucky Bastard. Oh wait. They monitor what you're downloading do they? Never go shady on a college connection.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"So...
Memory: Azureus-BAD, uTorrent-BAD
CPU: Azureus-BAD, uTorrent-GOOD
Speed: Negligible?"
You forgot one thing:
Open Source: Azureus-GOOD, uTorrent BAD
In the end, Azureus wins. Do you know what your P2P client is doing underneath the covers? - Dutchdude148, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I download and share a lot of video clips via Azureus. I've used Utorrent, but never received any good download speeds. With Azureus, I have gotten a download speed of 400 kb/sec. So, im just gonna stick to that lol.
- thecoolestcow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8It's sad, really, that it's necessary to tell people not to start a flame war. I would think it's common sense by now. It's sad, really.
I used to use Azureus, but then I reformatted my harddrive and installed uTorrent. I was pleased with both. - Maasneotek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah i did, I have been getting packet loss up to 85% ( so RCN tells me) they are paying my modem a visit tomarrow. I might have a new inflamatory anti ISP post tomarrow night heh.
Seriously, before the tech agreed to send someone for tomarrow, he mentioned how RCN throttles Bittorrent downloads to 2k per sec. But even with encryption on, ANY transaction is throttled down to zero within 10 minutes. we'll see what happens.
I'm a big fan of Azureus simply beacause I support JAva.... decions decisions....
-Maasneotek - ynggrsshppr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I tried and like uTorrent, but I couldn't wean myself off Azureus. There were a few little things I liked that uTorrent didn't have, small things like differences in the UI.
Both great clients though. - ctheory, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Do you have encryption+changed ports and all that jazz with Azureus?
- Riker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Although I make use of UTorrent and Azuerus (depending on which computer I am using). It appears that these clients are not always the most popular.
I'm seeing of lot of popularity among the BitComet and BitLord clients on the majority of torrents I D/L, see for yourselves. - micro506, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I want my LiveCDs NOW.
- r0gu3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I can't use uTorrent. It doesn't work on my OS
- cvrefugee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The last time I used uTorrent it wasn't good at handling multiple torrents. For some reason it wouldn't queue them correctly (or in order). That problem may be fixed, but I'll continue to use Azureus because I'm familiar with it and plus I donated $10 for it.
- ShadowRelic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4azureus has a large number of plugins that will let you expand it much further then the basic utorrent. sometimes that is worth sacrificing a few kbs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4My connection is provided to me by Georgia Tech. Using some of the online bandwidth tests I have achieved download speeds over 8MB/s and I have almost maxed my 100MBit(12.5MB/s) connection on burst transfers.
- Cbeck527, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How is he gtting speeds like that?
- hcl40u, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Interesting since I've never had Azureus go beyond 100MB of mem usage for me and that was with 512MB of RAM(60MB avg). Almost never that high CPU usage to but then again I don't have the kind of connection speeds that the author of this blog has.
- kalisphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I grok what he's saying. Or at least I do the same thing. It's not really a "I want to be different" thing, it's an "I want to encourage diversity." And not in a *****-college-lit-class-where-the-teacher-doesn't-speak-comprehensible-English sense, I mean in a "Sure, Mozilla's the best, but I think Opera has some killer features and I'd like to contribute to the size of their user base and drop some cash to enhance their features because I think they can be even better than Mozilla someday."
It's not right to use the mainstream thing only because it's mainstream, true. It's not right to use the "alternative" solution just because it's alternative, true. But I also think it's worth a little pain and discomfort to stick up for an OS like Linux circa 1993, any mom-and-pop store circa the past twenty years, et cetera. - ucg1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2bah, uTorrent doesn't even have a web interface yet. It's useless to me. Even CLI clients are more useful for the way I use BT. But Azureus does have a web interface that works well, so it's what I use. To top it off, I need something that will run in Linux, and uTorrent is certainly not that.
- lament, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4worst bittorrent client ever and banned by several bittorrent sites, correct.
- Rowen7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Azureus = Opensource. Multi-platform.
Competition = Not.
Azureus has won community awards and is open source. On Mac OS X, it runs wonderfully though it will make a laptop rather hot. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What I like about Azureus is that it has the plug in "Auto Speed"
And I have been using the client for so long now, does not really seem to be worth changing just because of all the buzz the other gets.
Meh. Good Article nonetheless... - raitchison, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I guess I'm the only one still using ABC, genrally using it because I am used to it.
One thing I've noticed with running pretty much any P2P is that if I am uploading my Internet connect slows to a crawl. I have a 384k upstream pipe per multiple bandiwdth tests yet the most that any P2P app (well mostly only use ABC and DC++) can upload is ~50K, if I am uploading any faster than 40k my Internet connection is useless for any device in my house. I have to choke ABC's upload speed down to 35K just to check my E-Mail. - m00nmaster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Incriminating evidence of downloading "Lost" episodes? Let me call ABC, hang on. =)
- sw96, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Slyck's site said some pretty bad stuff about uTorrent. (Closed source? Possibly connected with groups being paid to send bad data to try to foil torrent downloads?) Either way I've tried both, and both are nice, but I prefer Azureus.
- DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm not surprised at all. I did some tests on Java's file I/O classes awhile back and the performance was absolutely horrible. I don't know what Java's class library is doing internally, it's as if the stream classes have a buffer thats 1 byte long and the CPU is constantly being pegged.
- matt0ne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2transmission was very disappointing. download rates never increased above 0.2 (or so) kb/s - which is nothing. Tried the same torrent with bittorrent and it has been rocking it - albeit a little slowly since i am at my dad's in cyprus, but rocking it in comparison.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yeah i was wondering the same thing!
- Discosis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Was this really "awesome"?
To me it seemed more like "hey I downloaded a torrent with client A, then I downloaded it with client B, and the difference was less than 5 minutes". Big difference.
To be fair though, I guess the "awesome" tag wasn't the author's choice, just the poster... - Mike89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My DHT wont connect lately and I have no clue why. It just sits there with 0 peers. Anyone else had the same problem? Torrents still max out my incoming and outgoing bandwidth, thankfully.
- Never, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Those are not proven, i don't believe in hearsay.
- dorkusmalorkus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Anyone use Shareaza? I have been using that for torrents just because I use it for searching p2p networks as well. To bad you can't search for torrents with it but I guess that would defeat the purpose.
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