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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16From the comments on the site:
"Glad to see P2P entering the Web 2.0 ecosphere."
Fellow Diggers, I ask you: Am I the only one with an urge to beat this person senseless for being a trendy buzzword whore? - panique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Our next big entry vector for Windows-based malware.
- DiscoLoke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@tobtoh
I don't know I find the "VAPOURWARE", which you are right doesn't exist, and is just a bubble of an idea to be a lot more useful than your comment tobtoh. Thing's like this is what brings in great minds, money, and interest to projects like these. Without interest an artist, and yes I consider coders, programmers, and in general thinkers to be artists, would likely just turn into people who complain about dupes, and vapourware.
Hey why don't you go on the Oxford website and bitch at Quantum geek's for coming up with stuff that doesn't exist.
Or Bitch at Steve for saying MP3 player's might sell.
Or Kevin for asking the /. guy if he ever thought giving the public the right to decide what's on the front page.
R&D bud, sometimes just the development alone could be as interesting as the end product. So let's keep it real, if you step outside once or twice a week it would kill enough time so Dupes, and VAPOURWARE don't make you gripe, and you could appreciate a little creative thinking and the hard work and effort people put into a project, whether shared or not. - tobtoh, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7I know I sound like i'm griping (well I am), but wtf? how do these sort of sites make the front page of digg. We are talking about a product which doesn't even have a working demo - it's pure absolute vapourware at the moment.
And yet all these people on digg are saying 'ooh ahh, i can't wait till it comes out - sounds so good'.
FFS. Come visit my site - i'm designing a Firefox extension which will solve world hunger, cure cancer and fix dupe posts in Slashdot. Quick Quick digg me.
IMHO, these vapourware posts that make the front page of digg are as bad as dupe posts on /. Let's keep links with *real* info on them - not just empty marketting rubbish. - lowbot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Vaporware p2p client based on bittorrent married to popular browser coming soon.
This sounds like a painful and annoying (web 2.0 anyone) gimmick. It looks like some developers wanted to start their own little Kazaa and instead of writing a proper client which would normally get ignored in a world full of soulseeks, torrent trackers, emules, etc they make it a Firefox extension to ride the coat tails of the excellent work the mozilla people have done. And its commercial. Lame. - slack31337, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1just think of the pr0n !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- NumbCore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Amen.
*gets out bat* - joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sounds great...especially if it's encrypted, but I'm not sure why this needs to be a part of Firefox. I really don't want my browser acting as a two-way open share.
- diotro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The closed beta started today. It would be nice if I had more contacts to try this baby out. It was a 3.7MB download.
- Surreal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is awesome.
- deadkenny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Don't quite see what's killer about this. The usefullness of the BitTorrent side of it is puzzling for sharing with just friends/family, and I'm not sure why having this integrated into the browser makes it a killer app when it's going to bloat Firefox massively. It takes long enough to start up FF as it is and the memory it takes...!!
I'm a big FF fan, but this doesn't shout out to me as a reason for most people to switch from IE.
Or are people just seeing this as another potential for downloading illegaly? ;-)... which won't happen as almost certainly it will be content/copyright protected.
And coming from a "Web 2.0" blog it makes me more dubious as Web 2.0 is really just a trendy term for certain parts of the media to latch onto easily but yet doesn't actually define anything new, just a pile of trendy names for existing technology ;-) - thisnameisfake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Right now it's just hype.
- TheFlyingMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Social File Networking , I've been waiting for this for a long time now.
- Fallout75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can't wait to try it.
I almost live inside firefox. - splufdaddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agree w/ y2048. This could be a killer-app, in the sense that it crashes Firefox because it's a major program attempting to be built on top of Firefox. Why stop with a P2P application? Let's build an word processing extension, a spreadsheet extension, an email client extension and an image editing suite extension. Let Firefox do what it does best - browse the web. Save the other tasks for new applications.
- Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1An interesting premise. It would be nice to have a small circle of friends with whom you could quickly and easily share small files. This would be beneficial to small groups of developers who needed to share material.
- FzArEkTaH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1theworkz - did you comment on /. that it got dugg?
- xerox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1sounds very cool, and alls i can say is that it better not turn out to be vaporware
- OsakaWilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wake me up when it's ready for BETA.
- Rikushix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Digg effect.
Nice idea though. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0every couple of weeks someone posts this ***** here on digg..
it's becoming a running advertisement
Allpears has to be actually released to become a killer app.
I have seen too many hyped apps to become vapourware,, hey how about microsofts bittorrent app.. that coming out yet??
I cant belive this make it to the front page everytime.. how about waiting to repost this theoreticalware when it is actualware.. i know i would digg it. - crispytown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Please do a search on the site before posting old news. THere are already 5 reports on this topic on this site already no digg!!!!
The first 9 days ago or so. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> Eh, the problem is getting friends to actually download and install this thing.
> Most of my friends don't install many extensions to avoid bloat.
This is actually a much larger problem that you might think due to the numerious spyware problems that people have experienced with their microsoft operating systems. After people pay $50 to $100 to have their systems unfscked (or just get sued by the RIAA or get disconnected from their ISP or have their door kicked in by the Feds) two or three times, they're pretty hesitant to depart from a "known good configuration".
Maybe they should have gone the Azureus or Flock route (although in my opinion, Flock has been a flop)... but it does bring up an interesting question: is it possible to produce on-off instances of a standard Fire Fox install that have only specific extensions added while leaving the base install of Fire Fox unmolested. - Magreger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0More steam for bit torrent
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> Isn't it true that the RIAA/MPAA goes after P2P because it's sharing with everyone
Uh... no. The RIAA/MPAA goes after anything it can because "that's where the money is".
I don't me to insult you by supplying you with a "Willie Sutton Moment", but really, try think about the questions you ask before you ask them (there is a vast area between the "no such thing as a stupid question zone" and the "rhetorical question zone" that many people spend their entire lives in).
> Aren't you allowed to share an album or video with your friends or family?
Yes... this is a fundamental tenant of Fair Use. It is untouchable and holy and the only reason that copyright law is even allowed to exist.
> you're supposed to be allowed to record a show and give it to your buddy
Yes, this fundamental tenant of Fair Use is *EXACTLY* what the RIAA/MPAA is trying to reprogram out of America's youth at this very moment (sharing = theft meme; well, hell, if sharing = theft, then radio should be illegal!)). In fact, part of the very reason that the DMCA exists is to provide a legal loophole that end-runs your Fair Use rights.
When 321 Studios lost their case, I lost most of my faith (what little that hadn't already been beaten down) in the American Judaical Industrial Complex. It is a sad fact, but even in a "representative democracy" laws are forsale and "justice" is a product to be brought and sold, like a can of beans or x-number of widgets.
I contend that the ultimate destination for P2P is sharing between a trusted circle of friends and that, eventually, such a system could break the 7 degrees of separation barrier and interconnect everyone who chooses to participate. There are scalability issues, but I believe that there has been enough research into "social systems" that we're at the point where this can be overcome.
And, mark my words: when this happens, the RIAA/MPAA will drag it into court and have the last vestiges of "Fair Use" ripped to shreds by the brought-and-paid-for guard dog that is the American Court System.
Other things to keep an eye on:
Tape if off the internet style PVR sharing
sharing systems that *ONLY* distribute DRM'ed content
terrestrial digital radio and television broadcasts - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dugg and slashdotted. Poor bastards.
- the_y_man, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"web2.0"
No thanks, I dont want this app/extention. - withinreason, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm a firefox user and I'm waiting on this "killer App" it sounds great.
- LDaVinci, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sounds interesting... Dugg
- X-Cruciating, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well well, it's gonna be an another torrential rain, bit by bit on agencies like RIAA and concepts like the DRM :)
What I am wondering is:
- If I have "My Peers", then am I not letting myself known in some way or the other?
- No password is ok, for one can only be a part of a peer group only by consent.
- Secured in terms of encryption? I am not sure how this is being achieved. Can someone clarify if traffic between BitTorrent peers is encrypted?
And if this works, then I am sure there are bound to be others who would quickly create a wrapper that would do a torrent search from within the same and add to "My Media" :)
Sounds good! - joshuax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It seems cool, but Firefox is never going to be my first choice for sharing/viewing media. The plugins to play media, particularly WindowsMedia use, are still crippled by the Microsoft plugin itself. So unless they are developing this to handle media files directly, or letting you preview your mp3's in those nifty flash based players, i'm pretty skeptical.
The blog mentions that you can import metadata/thumbnails, which I will assume you have to manually generate the thumbnails for video content, or anything other than .jpg? This will be competing with the WindowsLiveMessenger that is also pushing a file sharing agenda (not BT), but one that will have greater integration with Windows, MS Media Player, and already has a huge user base?
I guess I'll check the blog post when they reveal:
"I already have a BitTorrent client (or Kazaa, Limewire, etc.) and I don’t want/need it to run in my web browser, so why should I care? And why can’t I just transfer files to my friends using any existing instant-messaging client? " - mogmismo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Great, all we need is another "Buddy List" to manage. The real killer app would be a 'buddy list manage.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Firefox already is a memory hog.
With this extension, u will need 2GB or Ram to run it.
Obviously i hope i am wrong, but digg for the idea
http://computeralevel.blogspot.com/ - tonage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0am I the only one who wonders why this is a FireFox plugin and not a standalone application?
I agree. It is like they are making Firefox an operating system of sorts. But doesn't an extension work on all OSs that run Firefox? Maybe they do this for compatibility and so they don't have to write, Windows, Mac, Linux, Etc. versions. - BurninatorX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm looking forward to it
Dugg + added my email - deadbolt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This should help me a bit, because me and a friend of mine had an ftp connection set up between the two pc's and cox decided to change ower IP's and since then I couldn't get the ftp to work. So hopefuly this will help.
dug - figmund, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Isn't it true that the RIAA/MPAA goes after P2P because it's sharing with everyone, and not sharing with just your friends? Aren't you allowed to share an album or video with your friends or family? Just like you're supposed to be allowed to record a show and give it to your buddy at work who missed it last night. (I think Fox's own web site suggests such a remedy). So this would make it a killer app - allowing you to legally share with only those who you know.
- SpookyET, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No digg. It's just another P2P app. This one, inside a browser. Where's the inovation? I thought that beside supporting BitTorrent inside Firefox, all people who navigates to, for example, wikipedia.com would share the data via BitTorrent to make the page load faster, but that does not seem to be the case. I already got a BitTorrent client.
- gilbes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Since firefix is a program for viewing web pages, why would I want this app to live inside of it since it has nothing to do with viewing web pages. It should be its own app, and probably the first good use of torrent technology. They don't need to ride firefoxes coat tails.
- n00854180t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Eh, the problem is getting friends to actually download and install this thing. Most of my friends don't install many extensions to avoid bloat.
Also, I'll jump in the "I hate the trendy word whores" group.
SpookyET:
"I thought that beside supporting BitTorrent inside Firefox, all people who navigates to, for example, wikipedia.com would share the data via BitTorrent to make the page load faster, but that does not seem to be the case."
Now *that* is an interesting idea. - edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0BitTorrent inside of Firefox? Sounds like fun. Search for something and then download right inside of your browser... How secure is it however? Would my social network be encrypted? I run Hamachi for sharing between friends and we know that to be very secure and hidden away from prying eyes. Will the RIAA and MPAA have a fit about this??? Should be interesting once it's released.
- expensix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I can't wait for the viruses!
- edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Isn't it true that the RIAA/MPAA goes after P2P because it's sharing with everyone, and not sharing with just your friends? Aren't you allowed to share an album or video with your friends or family? Just like you're supposed to be allowed to record a show and give it to your buddy at work who missed it last night. (I think Fox's own web site suggests such a remedy). So this would make it a killer app - allowing you to legally share with only those who you know."
From what I understand - the moment you make a digital copy of an album or video you break the law. Sharing that copy once again breaking the law. I do think it's legal for you to borrow the original CD or video to a buddy however. - elev8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is ***** stupid. There is no reason why this HAS to be an extension. Why not just make it a stand-alone app so everyone could use it?
- bugleboy624, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Question: Why just FF? Wouldn't this also be good for other browsers similar to FF like Opera? I would like to see this on Opera ,cause I'm not a fan of FF.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Anyone heard of grouper? Or even mytella... it's supposed to be the next "big thing"
- rYno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0this is rad - great news... but all web 2.0 action with the pre-alpha hype...
- MortenAaserud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm gonna try it out
- airedale, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Has anyone heard of FolderShare? Seems to be the same concept and Microsoft just bought them out.
Check it out: www.foldershare.com - tobtoh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@discoloke
> Thing's like this is what brings in great minds, money, and interest to projects like these.
Projects like what? This isn't an open source project. AllPeers doesn't want great minds, it doesn't want to share code back to the community. It's not interested in dicussing it's technology and it's direction. All it wants is our money. It's advertising.
> Hey why don't you go on the Oxford website and bitch at Quantum geek's for coming up with stuff that doesn't exist. Or Bitch at Steve for saying MP3 player's might sell.
Apples and oranges. Oxford and Steve are dealing with conceptual ideas and generally backed up with some sort of evidence/theory/research. Allpeers isn't a conceptual idea up for discussion - it's selling a product - maybe not to you directly, but via 'monetization of paid content' (according to the article)
> R&D bud, sometimes just the development alone could be as interesting as the end product.
What development? Are Allpeers sharing their development with anyone? No. Are they asking for a discussion of the concept? No. Have they got a demo so that we can start giving feedback? No.
> So let's keep it real ....
How about you stop being so naive and open your eyes and realise that the article is nothing more than advertising. The article even reads like a PR statement "This company is set to take the world by storm. In my opinon this single firefox extension will massively increase the attractiveness of that already popular browser, drawing more millions away from embattled Internet Explorer."
The more people digg articles like this, the more it will encourage future spammers to try and get their advertisements on the front page. As an earlier commenter mentioned, there have been nine attempts to try and get this article on the front page.
By all means, let's digg articles that 'bring in great minds, money, and interest' to innovative projects or new ideas - let's not let Digg become simple a list of links to vapourware advertising. -
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