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- rcran, on 10/12/2007, -18/+72Safari
- rcran, on 10/12/2007, -24/+78Firefox
- kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31I just started using a mac and I have to say I like safari, especially with Inquisitor(google it), inquisitor makes it so much easier to find things.
- kinesis8, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Definitely agree with the article. Until the perfect browser for the Mac arrives, my browsing solution has been:
95% of the time, Safari + Saft + SafariStand + Sogudi
5% of the time, Camino (for Safari incompatible sites such as Google Docs), - rcran, on 10/12/2007, -18/+41Camino
- rcran, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17I'd like to do a little test of majority here, so stick with me:
(digg up your browser) - rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Camino is NOT built on top of Firefox!!!
It was around looooong before.
Also, as of 1.1 it has spell checking and keychain integration. - lemac, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16"Very slow startup time", "Not stable - crashes often"
I use FireFox all the time and it starts pretty much immediately (< 2 seconds) and has yet to crash on me. I am running this on a MacBook Pro w/ 2 GB RAM. - LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8There's some inaccuracies in this summary of the web browsers.
Camino does have inline search, inherited from Gecko. press '/' and start typing. - neXion, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I'm on a powerbook g4 and it only takes me 5 seconds or less to load. Don't know what this guy's doing that causes firefox to take 15 seconds to load on a much newer machine...
- Firehed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I use Firefox for Mac, but only because of the extensions. I rely on them way too much to give them up by switching to Safari, which I otherwise quite like. Of course, having them also kills startup speed, but considering how often I close my browser, it's rarely an issue (like how long Quicksilver takes to start for me because of how much crap I have - forever, but I reboot so infrequently that it hardly matters).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm the exact opposite. 99% of the time I use Camino. FYI, v1.1 has spell check, and it's in Beta now.
The problem with Camino is that many sites don't recognize the user-agent, even-though it's more-or-less the same as Firefox. In order to access some sites you have to manually change the user.js so that it uses the Firefox user-agent. Not a big deal, but kind of annoying because then my start page (http://www.caminobrowser.org/start/) reports that I'm not using Camino.
It's actually a kind of "bug" in Camino, but the fact that when you hit the "Zoom" button it goes fullscreen is kind of nice. I wish more apps were like that. Apps are supposed to go fullscreen if you shift-(or command, I forget)click them, but a lot don't. - adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It does have inline find. (With pretty green and yellow highlighting)
GNU Aspell integrates beautifully with Opera. http://www.opera.com/support/tutorials/opera/spellcheck/
Have fun! - tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I install Opera on every Mac I get my hands on (my native environment is MEPIS). I just don't get Safari...nor do I get IE. They are only used because they are included by the companies selling the OS...it is a strange phenomenon that people rally behind them...kinda like rallying behind the GOP.
- MattyLite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Oooh, apparently it has a built-in "Content Blocker"! Now it just needs inline search and a built in spellchecker.
-This post brought to you from Opera - esquilax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yeah, this isn't going to work, because people can digg down other people's browsers...
- ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Firefox is NOT a native OS X application and if it continues its complete ignorance to built in OS X features, nobody can claim otherwise unless he/she is a firefox fanatic.
The browser should be used is Camino if you are fan of Mozilla rendering engine. - KAMiKAZOW, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Camino has Keychain integration since a long time. New in 1.1 is the ability to read PWs that Safari stored in the Keychain.
- suppazone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah I noticed that too. Obviosly the author has no clue about what he is talking about. It has nothing to do with Safari not being able to support WYSIWYG editors, but has more to do with developers not checking their code to be platform and browser independant. Should have read - due to lazy developers Safari is not fully supported by some webapps.
- twistee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I mainly use Opera as I have just become use to the way it handles itself, but if I ever get pissed off with it I normally end up using Safari as it will quickly pop-up and I will just visit that single page that wasn't working with Opera. I occasionally use Firefox if I need to use certain extensions on a webpage, but normally it is 3rd in my list.
I haven't really tried any of the others, every now and then I will try something new but there are a few features that I use religiously in Opera that the other browsers don't do (Firefox has the extensions to do them but they don't work quite like the Opera versions). - GoustiFruit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+41- Opera has a built-in content blocker, you can also download premade urlfilter.ini files,
2- Opera has inline search with nice highligthing that highlights all the words your looking for in the page in yellow and you can switch forward/backward to each of them using F3 or Ctrl+F3,
3- Opera also supports spellchecking, but I never used that function as I prefer to learn writing english by myself :-p - tropican8, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Bon Echo? Isn't that the codename from the Firefox 2.0 alphas? It's been released for quite a while.
- Subtonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If you're going to list "no Firefox extensions" as a con for Camino, you might as well list that as a con for every browser that's not Firefox.
- agildehaus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I personally love Safari for the ultra-smooth scrolling and the near obsessive attempt to support web standards. Nightly WebKit builds are exceptional, and it's fun to see CSS3 being implemented bit-by-bit.
How in the world do they get it to scroll so smoothly? It's like buttah on a Macbook Pro when doing the two-finger scroll. - SteveMax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Would it be possible to write a "GeckoTab" add-on for Safari, just like Firefox on Windows has a "IE Tab" extension? This would make Safari basically perfect (specially if Gecko is only loaded as needed).
- thasmadawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You might want to try Uno as an alternative to shapeshifter, its free too.
- TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9wow people really hate Opera eh?
- sruffelman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Personally I just got hooked on OmniWeb. The drawer that lets you see thumbnails of the websites you have in tabs is great and I love how it works well in OS X. It also does not create those ugly .part files while downloading.
- turbodiesel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The article missed iCab. www.icab.de/
A nice little browser, available as a universal binary. It also comes in an OS 9 compatible version that we use on video editing equipment. - amadeusdemarzi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3you can disable the build in bittorrent client, simply open a new tab, type
opera:config
Look for a section called Bittorrent, then look in there and uncheck Enable, you can do it also in the Preferences menu, but I just find this simpler. - dragazis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How can this guy say Shiira 2.0 (which i doubt he's used the latest nightly) doesn't have a nicer interface that Safari?! Is this guy blind or just dumb?! It follows Apple's HIG more so than Safari as it's with todays aqua interface standards (amongst most developers) unlike safari's brushed metal and buttons, not to mention it's RSS view is much nicer and cleaner. I can go on but in general, this guys really needs to back up some of his claims.
Also there is a more complete and extensive list by Darell Knutson of Mac web browsers, which can found here http://darrel.knutson.com/mac/www/browsers.html - screwzluse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I personally use Firefox (have used Opera and loved it but it's missing some extensions and such I do enjoy) and I like it. It's usually pretty stable but I had some weird crashes and such. I guess I could say "I can't wait for the perfect browser" but then again, no one seems to have a perfect browser on any operating system.
- tc811, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6So basically, if you want a good 'free' browser, you should use Safari. I prefer Firefox, but it's just how FF works on OSX that makes me hate using it.
- friend18, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I also agree with the article. I would use Safari but it doesn't have graphical editors when I go to forums. And I frequent many forums every day. It's really lame. So I am forced to use firefox which is buggy as *****. It ***** up and crashs all the time. It's so annoying.
- miyamotofreak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The Camino beta with some key-add ons is my favorite way to browse.
- Linh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I use BonEcho (the platform optimized one). Why? firefox extensions. And it keeps my browsing experience the same between OS X and Windows.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The basic install of Safari doesn't support design mode, which is a facility that WYSIWYG editors use. If you download the latest nightly of Webkit, the new versions do support it, though there still seems to be a few bugs. Apparently by the time Leopard is released with the latest version of Safari these should all be squashed.
That's pretty much the only problem with Safari's JS support, though you will find that many javascript libraries don't test as thoroughly with Safari as they will with IE/FF. - CitizenKamb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If a browser doesn't have support for mouse gestures, moveable tabs, "focus last used tab upon tab close," in address bar searching (ie "g digg" to google "digg"), and other invaluable power user extras I won't use it. Period. I don't care if it has perfect CSS Javascript 2000 support, it's still a useless browser. That cuts out Safari and IE right off the bat. I use Opera at the moment in OS X, because it's fast and has the majority of those options in by default. And I switch around between Firefox and Opera on the Windows side.
- hansning, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i use firefox, and never found it slow.
the real reason i use firefox though is the RSS bookmarking, which is the only way i like my headlines.
greasemonkey and stylish make my fav sites all pretty too. - protocolor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yea, the author got the thing about bon echo wrong. while it's true unofficial builds can't use official naming/branding (so most authors use the firefox branch/trunk codenames like gran paradiso or bon echo, it's not 'extremely young.' it's as young as the official firefox should be considered, anyway, since it is built from the same source (some authors use added patches though). and yes, since they are two separate binaries working on the same profile if you open them at the same time, there are going to be problems. that's not something specific to 'bon echo' though. i don't know where he got 'specific functionality is broken or missing' either. again, it builds the same way firefox does, except for different compilation flags and maybe some added patches. he must have been using a trunk build.
- neoguy9090, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I use Camino. It's fast and reliable, works with all the WYSIWYG stuff, and I really have no need for all those add-ons and stuff.
- ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They don'T use Safari 1.x on purpose, it is APPLE which does not ship 2.x to older OS X'es such as 10.3.9.
It is the common problem of all OS installed/default browsers and it is why we just smile when someone argues that paying for a browser is stupid while it is free(!).
nothing is free. - SteveMax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Do you really think that "backup your bookmarks and delete your profile every few months" is a good solution? Why should you accept the fact that "something" messes up with your installation when you are just using it?
We're over the "one-install-per-month" times of Windows 9x. A software shouldn't have to be reinstalled or reconfigured just because you use it. You should report this as a bug, and a serious one. - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I see what you're getting at, but the only thing they added in 10.4 was RSS bookmarks. If that was essential to you at the time, you were already using Firefox anyway. It was a little annoying that you couldn't check it out without upgrading... i'm sure jobs is to blame... bastard
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Dunno how that's possible with any more than one or two extensions loaded. For me FF with no extensions runs pretty quick, but safari is still a bit snappier.
- trylleklovn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3And about the crashes, it rarely happens to me. Sometimes it happens when loading a quicktime plugin while shifting tabs, but it doesn't just crash for no particular reason.
- nunofgs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Bon Echo IS Firefox
- prionic6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I tried a few times to move away from Opera to Safari, mainly because of the better integration with OSX, Keychain etc. Especially the Leopard update for Safari has some nice Features. Some things I miss in Safari are Quick Download (Text Field in the DL Manager to get a file, nice if someone sends you a link to an mp3 and you can't save it because the damn Quicktime Plugin keeps popping up), saving the last session with all tabs reopening when I start the browser and the new speed dial looks very nice as well. I could live without most of the features, there are Safari plugins for some of them, although I'm not a fan of plugins.
The one feature that has me always going back to Opera: Hold right mouse button, klick left: Back in history. Hold left, click right: Forward in History. I simply cannot live without that, am used to it since it was introduced in Windows Opera. No, a gesture "Hold right, move left" is not good enough. Maybe someday I will get a new mouse with forward/back buttons.
At the moment I use the latest build of Opera: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/
with "Entr'acte" (native widgets) skin: http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/info/?id=6118
and some customizations to the skin and the toolbar settings: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=172800 (look for my username) - stockjones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Im on a PC but I feel for you Apple folks. Hopefully the next version of Safari or Firefox will improve a lot. What I find for Mac users is that safari is the fastest, and damn it is fast. I wish Firefox was that fast on windows or Linux. The problem with safari, however, is that it still breaks on a lot of things and hence the reason I recommend Firefox or Opera. They may not be as fast as safari, but Firefox and Opera are the most compatible across the board and work with all the latest ajax, css, dom manipulation stuff etc. Personally I've never found Firefox crashes on a Mac because I recommend it to the folks in our marketing dept and they never complain.
And if some of you are using safari 1 please for the love of god update to version 2. It breaks under all sorts of things. - JeremyBanks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm on a MacBook C2D that I've had for a couple months, and Firefox crashes at least once every few days, often more often then that. Startup time varies, but isn't too bad. The crashes are getting to be a pain, though.
I don't see why browsers have to have built-in spell-checkers, can't they just use the system-wide one if they use Cocoa? -
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