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- zero, on 06/17/2009, -1/+26Will we still have to code for IE6 in 2022?
- TheTaoOfBill, on 06/17/2009, -3/+22Sorry if I sound like an elitist dick but I would never pay for an html class. That's one of the easiest language to learn and you can generally get a feel for it after a few tutorials.
- rnawky, on 06/17/2009, -5/+21It says IE8 will support it, but if it's anything like IE8 "supporting" HTML at ALL, it will end up doubling your margins or sometimes just pick what it THINKS you meant when you said to assign that div a 10px margin on all sides.
IE8 dug itself into a deep hole. Almost every single web site you visit has an "<!--[if lte IE 6]>" or similar tags to include CSS that has to fix Microsoft's rendering issues with web pages. Not only have they wasted the time of developers, but the time of the user as well, having many web pages rendered completely useless if the web developer decided not to spend an extra day fixing a bug that only pertained to one web browser.
Microsoft needs to get on board with their web browser. I've been using 7 from Beta to RC2 and I love the fact I can finally properly get rid of that piece of crap web browser. - inactive, on 06/17/2009, -1/+16IE10 will support it, but poorly as usual
- monkeysaurus, on 06/17/2009, -0/+14I assume it will. They pretty much nailed it in HTML 1.0, after all.
- inactive, on 06/17/2009, -0/+10Well, at least you've made it clear that web development isn't your specialty.
- dvsbastard, on 06/17/2009, -2/+12http://rorr.im/digg.com/software/5_amazing_html5_f ...
And I think they left out "new buzzwords"... - darlingt, on 06/17/2009, -0/+9Oh, please. It was in high school, and it was just something to fill a period. Not like I paid for it.
- cosmotic, on 06/17/2009, -3/+11Pretty lame article. Worker threads like hyper threading? What????
- zachstanley, on 06/17/2009, -1/+8Will HTML5 destroy the stranglehold Flash currently has in the online video arena, or will the need for backwards compatibility cripple this wonderful addition's spread? I certainly hope it's the former, as more and more users feel obligated to update to modern browser's while their favorite websites slowly abandon support for the older engines.
- N01SE, on 06/17/2009, -0/+6You can already achieve most everything you need for RIAs with HTML/CSS and a good JS API now, and assuming the standardization of HTML 5 / CSS 3 eventually, most things done in Flash could move into HTML and Javascript.
Flex, Silverlight, XAML, etc. these are just reinventions of a markup that already works, they just changed the tag names and encapsulated the scripting for you, not to mention none of these technologies are implemented by browsers. - Meep3D, on 06/17/2009, -2/+8It doesn't matter - it's all irrelevant until IE6 + 7 are dead, and that will be years away.
I would be happy if I could actually use the existing HTML+CSS spec - worrying about HTML 5 when you can't even use what we have now without IE throwing a strop is pointless. - richbradshaw, on 06/17/2009, -0/+6For me it's accurate to about 10m. It points at a house about 2 down my street.
- cruisinaruban, on 06/17/2009, -1/+5Yes
- bieber, on 06/17/2009, -1/+5Saying that about, say, writing operating system components in assembly language might make you an elitist dick. In the case of HTML, however, you're pretty much spot-on. If you have to take a class to get HTML, you're going to have an awful lot of trouble trying to do anything really meaningful on the web (database stuff, server side scripting, javascript, etc.)
- Meep3D, on 06/17/2009, -0/+4Unless you want to use a 64 bit browser, then you're stuffed on a large amount of platforms. (including Windows 7)
Ultimatley by using Flash you are at Adobe's mercy on if you will be supported or not and allows one company to basically dictate what platforms will and will not be successful. - tommyny04, on 06/17/2009, -1/+4Not sure why you're getting dugg down, you're right. I think there's more MS haters on here than people who use common sense.
But, I think its also partly because while MS was adopting and implementing CS2 standards, all other major web browsers were adopting and implementing CS3 standards. MS has always been a little late in the browser game even since they knocked Netscape off the radar all those years ago. - mrBitch, on 06/17/2009, -0/+3Zing!
- ChrisTek, on 06/17/2009, -1/+4No, he doesn't. Look again.
- mcgannon2007, on 06/17/2009, -0/+3Web Browsers.
- mrBitch, on 06/17/2009, -0/+3@ N01SE, RE: " .. Flex, Silverlight, XAML, etc. these are just reinventions of a markup that already works, they just changed the tag names and encapsulated the scripting for you, not to mention none of these technologies are implemented by browsers."
Dead on, and well said. - esc27, on 06/17/2009, -0/+3The increasing reliance on javascript bothers me. After watching a virus walk right through a fully patched copy of Firefox I installed no-script and refuse to trust all but a few websites to execute code on my machine. Javascript (and other tools that execute arbitrary code over the web) need to be better sand boxed to be a reliable part of the future.
- kevintootill, on 06/17/2009, -0/+3And you will need the IE10 hack to get it to work
- inactive, on 06/17/2009, -0/+3I'm not sure if that's the website, or you.
Judging from the comparison you made though, you don't sound like you're all that up on tech. It's weird you'd laugh at the website loading difficult for you. You either have a ***** connection, don't understand the 'digg' effect, or are just a troll. It loads perfectly fine, and well for me btw. :) - inactive, on 06/17/2009, -0/+2I learn better in a class environment ... but i picked up HTML myself, by typing 'HTML Tutorial' in google.
it's super duper easy. you're not an elitist dick. not right now anyways. :D - kestasjk, on 06/18/2009, -0/+2A layperson may only know of threading from Intel's Hyper-threading ad campaigns. If you know about threading you know what he means, if you don't you have an idea what he means anyway.
By not showing a scrap of markup I think this is definitely a layperson's article, so it seems fair enough - buckrogers1965, on 06/17/2009, -0/+2When people can't see anything on youtube because it requires HTML 5, then they will upgrade overnight.
It will probably be trivially easy to provide a link to an upgrade page for people to click on. - N01SE, on 06/17/2009, -0/+2flex uses "controls" represented through markup that encapsulates the flash app and the actionscript beneath it. Like HTML, it is parsed and processed markup, they just use different engines, HTML uses browser engines, Flex/XAML use Flash/Silverlight engines. Flex is merely intended for accelerated development of flash-based RIAs, anything you create with Flex you can create just utilizing flash, and hopefully one day through HTML/CSS and javascript.
- TheTaoOfBill, on 06/17/2009, -0/+2Oh okay well that's different.
- rnawky, on 06/17/2009, -0/+1IE8 fails the ACID 3 test with a 20/100, Chrome/Safari get 100/100 and Firefox scores a 93/100
A clear indication of how ***** IE is would be that Microsoft had to add a "compatability view" option to IE8.
Translation: Change view back to Microsoft's view on web standards so those old web pages written for IE still work since we're trying to do ***** right this time. - xM55, on 10/02/2009, -0/+1Stopped reading at "effecting."
- rnelsonee, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1What device and connection are you using? If you're on a mobile device it should work. It got me within 100 feet with my home laptop, but I use WiMax. I wouldn't expect it to work with a wired connection of course - how could it?
- Moralogic, on 06/17/2009, -0/+1If they call IE8 supporting HTML5, then I definitely have to laugh. IE8 supports maybe 10 HTML5 tags, leaving at least 4 times as many behind. It is pretty much worthless when it comes to HTML5 other than some basics. It does not open up to the new world of internet HTML5 opens up.
- serif69, on 06/17/2009, -0/+1I have had not a single issue with IE8, and I code in Coda on the Mac. Without fail, the preview in Coda (which uses Webkit) always matches the display in IE8. It's gotten to the point that I just need a cursory glance at IE8 when testing because it follows the standards. If you're having problems, the issue lies with you, not with IE8.
- KloroFormd, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1I'm on a residential cable connection.
I figured it'd at least show up to the general location my ISP is. - mcgannon2007, on 06/17/2009, -0/+1I tried out the geolocation feature. I live in Kansas City; it put me in St.Paul, Minnesota...
- hansrodtang, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1So nobody else noticed that the HTML5-fist has six fingers?
- 7aji, on 06/17/2009, -0/+1I have this feeling that you would've talked ***** about IE 8 because it doesn't have this compatibility view if MS didn't include it.
- buckrogers1965, on 06/17/2009, -0/+1HTML video support is going to be awesome, I'll finally be able to dump the crappy flash program that I have had to run on my machines for years now to do something as simple as watching videos on the web.
- buckrogers1965, on 06/17/2009, -0/+1You don't have to code for it now, just throw in some code to point someone to firefox web page when they show up with IE6.
- Atomic1fire, on 06/17/2009, -0/+1well said,
adobe air is neat, but at the end of the game,
its just a plugin for flash based software locked in a container with webkit.
Silverlight doesn't even support offline use to my knowlege, that would be click-once's job
Im not all that sure about java fx, except that its just like adobe air, but with java webstart support. - rnelsonee, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Use WiMax, or a mobile device...
- shinkou, on 06/17/2009, -2/+2With Adobe Air, which is a move adopted by Adobe, others might follow trying to pull users off from the browser. The online content domination battle may eventually be the web browsers (with backup from W3C) vs Adobe Flash vs Silverlight vs JavaFX.
What will be your choice if that happens?
p.s. I wish we could make an instant poll for something this, right here in digg. :( I'll vote for the web browsers btw. - Hudon689, on 06/17/2009, -1/+1IE 8 will support it. I don't know why talking out of your ass gets you diggs.
- factsahoy, on 06/17/2009, -2/+16. The death of HTML and the rise of a legitimate page-description language.
The Web is still a pathetic hack and patchwork of primitive markup. Replace this ***** with Display Postscript or something of that sort and be done with it. - Silvergun, on 06/17/2009, -1/+0Amen amen amen. Web development is an absolute nightmare of standards and browser incompatibility. RIA is the way forward.
- OverDriven, on 06/17/2009, -1/+0You must be kidding. So you don't know the difference between a markup language like HTML and a programming language like AS3 (which is the backbone of Flex)?
- 471776, on 06/17/2009, -4/+3No, it wont cripple Flash video. I don't see how HTML video could ever be as versatile as a custom-built Flash player. People will still have the Flash plugin installed. I think major video services will certainly be hesitant to axe Flash, for convenience if nothing else. And of course, it'll be years or decades before HTML5 browsers have the same penetration as Flash.
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