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- kday, on 10/12/2007, -29/+96Yea, damn Microsoft AND Apple for copying the modern widgets look and feel from Konfabulator.
How come when Apple copies something, it's no big deal, but if Microsoft copies an idea, everyone bashes Microsoft? I don't get it. - breakneckridge, on 10/12/2007, -6/+52"Gadget" "Widget" whatever you call it, is a feature that has been around for at least 10 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desk_accessory - l0ne, on 10/12/2007, -30/+57Apple got bashed enough at the time, didn't it?
- Yarnage, on 10/12/2007, -25/+47@notfred
What do you mean real OS? I've used Every version of Windows thus far, OS 9, OS X, and most of the nix*s. I would hardly call OS X a better OS than most operating systems.
I did support for OS X for a long time and let me tell you it has some problems that just should never happen in a modern operating system. For one, plist files like to currupt quite a lot. I've never seen an operating system currupt so many files. I've seen it happen on clean installs with no third party software too. 95%+ of my job was deleting plists so they re-create themselves. That's just horrible. In all my years of supporting PCs and using Windows and nix*s, I've never had a currupt preference file and very very few currupted files, due to incomplete downloads.
I also don't understand why everyone thinks OS X's GUI is so great. Yeah, expose is very handly but the GUI is bulky, un-responsive and slow. Even on PowerMacs with dual G5 CPUs the GUI felt slow and unresponsive. Apple has a huge manual on GUI design and they don't even follow it. Try every Apple application (all the newest ones to be fair) and tell me if they look consistant. Some have brushed metal, some have bubble like interfaces and others are a combination of both. At least Microsoft is fairly consistant on their GUI designs (IE7 isn't consistant though).
Seriously, OS X isn't a better OS. It's an alternative OS. There is no OS that works flawlessly and they all have their own problems. - matrox212, on 10/12/2007, -24/+42Get ready to flame me but, I can't wait for Vista to come out. I think it looks great.
- skydivingdutch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Ugh - when are they going to finally enable real texture filtering on that Expose style page flipping. Looks so aliased.
- breakneckridge, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20"10 Years? try a lot more than that"
That's why I wrote "at least." - JoshuaWood, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24I've always thought sin was quite attractive. I know that I always am drawn to it!
- knuckles, on 10/12/2007, -11/+25Uhhh, Apple OFFERED the author of Konfabulator a lot of money as well as a job opportunity to lead development on Widgets - he turned them down. So did Apple screw him over or did he screw himself over? I suspect he screwed himself. Besides, Apple uses DHTML and Javascript whereas Konfabulator was an incredibly CPU intensive whore built in JAVA.
- errer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17It looks like a swastika to me
- smokeyghetto, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17this was worth the wait, I mean the great egg timer is worth its weight in code. Dont forget about the picture puzzle and the number puzzle that will keep you on your toes.
Boy oh boy, I hope they spend some more time and refine these so they are the best ever.
Go get em Billy! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2110 Years? try a lot more than that. The original Mac had desk acessories you could bring up over the program you were running. Any users of IBM AS/400 and System/360 may have known about the special key command you could do to bring up a calculator over any running program - and this is on a text-only ANSI green screen.
All UI is evolutionary. - artman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12AWESOME. AN EGGTIMER.
- salmog, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18The Apple / MacBook / fans have to go somewhere, and Digg is a good home. I myself am a recent Apple switcher and couldn't be happier.
These XP screenshots look great, and when Vista comes out in 07, or 08 I will run it on my gaming machine.
But for the love of god can't you Linux, Windows, Apple, (insert OS here) zealots get over it and stop the bashing, name calling, and commenting on who stole what from who in every article.
Why not try commenting on the actual article and stop with the Linux is better because attitude. I get enough of that at /. - evilpettingzoo, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23That freeken start button is ugly as sin...
- matrox212, on 10/12/2007, -43/+53It's wishful thinking to expect Apple Fanboys to not be blantantly hypocritical.
- furtwan1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14here is the real link to the pictures. shame on you jsmiley17.
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow/0,1206,l=&s=25234&a=178867,00.asp - Poco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Wow, speach recognition... Didn't that come with OS/2 Warp 4?
- fa_pa, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20Why do Vista screenshots allways get dugg to the frontpage? They allways look the same since 2 years now.
- solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I've been betatesting Vista from early on.
I think it's horrible. I have no idea why they've made some of the design decisions they have-- the invasive privilege ***** is just the tip of the iceberg.
They've also removed the things that made Vista interesting at all. At this point it's just a warmed over XP with more intrusive DRM integration.
Only reason I've stayed with the beta test process is schadenfreude. It's getting more and more polished but at the same time it's sucking worse and worse. - zionKing, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@xbaslix: Anyone who uses Windows? I think there are currently a few (hundred million).
- diggmaddy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9talking about the performance, I got a chance to use this once and I have to admit! The insp 8600 with 768MB of RAM and 1.6GHz processor was CRAWLING. Even with 128MB video memory in a dedicated ATI radeon 9600 graphics card, the performance was very sluggish. And to my VERY BIG DISAPPOINTMENT, it couldn't even play a movie decently (unbearable jerks and breaks, let alone sound lagging behind the video). Why can't they just make a good OS which does everything a user needs, without asking for such huge amounts of resources!
No matter how good looks it has, if you just can't get anything done with it, what good is it as an operating system? - Yarnage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@Hungryhaney
If you were paying attention, I said the offender was OS X. I'm not sure if there is something up with NFS+ or what but this happens to quite a few people.
@AlmostEvil
Ahh, completely forgot about Windows Media Player. It's one of the worst layed out applications I've seen, heh.
@zionKing
Through my experiences, after using an application for a while, it'll begin to slow down and sometimes even freeze. I'd say 99% of the time though troubleshooting I found that the problem was a currupted plist. It's bizzare and I don't know why it happens but it does frequently. I was fixing customer's computers by removing currupted plists at least 10 times a day. It's not like I did anything incorrectly either, I always exhausted all other possibilities first and I was following Apple's own training.
Unfortunately, in 10.4, Apple decided to move away from XML plists to plists that contain Binary data so it's not as simple as editing them looking for something out of place; you have to use Apple's terminal applications to modify them.
@DaffyDuck
Check out MacOSX.com and even the Apple forums. If you go through threads with people having software issues, a lot of times the problem is fixed by removing plists.
In fact, the biggest issue I had when working with OS X was that upgrading to 10.4 from 10.3 would currupt the Network plist in the SystemConfiguration folder making Wireless and sometimes wired connections either impossible, or constantly drop. This was later resolved in 10.4.3 (I think, or maybe 10.4.4).
I'm not trying to badmouth Apple. Microsoft has its own share of problems; I just wish people wouldn't make OS X out to be the best operating system because it's far from the best (all of them are). - diggmaddy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13that's a figure of speech called oxymoron ;)
- AlmostEvil, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12@Yarnage
Microsoft and Apple are both equally bad offenders when it comes to sticking to their own ui design.
Look at Office 9 (2000) through to 12. Each one differs with the later ones differing drastically. Then there's Windows Media Player, with each one since 6.4 being vastly different from the last.
The one thing that deserves to be said is that Apple has the better documentation for ui design. - Gardenhead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Do you need to make the title bar transparent? Does it even look right?
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"Apple doesn't try to please people. Their support blows"
Okayyyy....
http://news.com.com/2100-1042-5162141.html
"Apple Computer led the pack, with 74 in the recent survey, while Gateway scored 61. A score of 80 would mean that respondents were very satisfied, while 60 is described as fairly well satisfied. Differences of more than four points in the survey were meaningful, the report said." - LtCarter47, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I've got to admit, as much as I'm not looking forward to Vista, it is quite nice on the eyes.
- kendawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Is it terrible of me to think that Microsoft should at least antialias these windows? With the system requirements for Vista, you can play many games currently out with AA on. Why can't they make a couple windows look good?
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/12/0,1425,sz=1&i=128388,00.jpg
....or have I lost it and the picture just looks bad because it's resized? - theonlybigboss, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10i'm wth ya on that man, that thing is just ass ugly :-(
i hope they have somthing to were you can customize it to look like the original vista start button, it was pretty then - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11I've been using my new Mac for about 4 months and I have never had any plist related problems nor do I remember reading in any forums anything about this so called problem.
- toomuchgreentea, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Was it only me, or were these eye-candy not appealing visually anymore?
It used to be exciting to test run the latest and greatest GUI improvements. It was revolutionary (for PC) going from that DOS-editor window to MS-Win; it was a huge leap going from Win3 to Win95; then it was that moderate improvement going from Win2k to WinXP (would have been even less significant if MS hadn't decided to drop backward compatibility for WMP - but what a big mistake that was); and now this Vista feels like "been there, done that", with truck-full of "improvements" that don't really improve productivity, yet requires you to buy a new computer just to get the full "experience".
Can someone honestly tell me why I would want to use Vista instead of going Open Source? - SignsOfLife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I love macs, and i think vista looks great too, my only concern is that microsoft is using alot of apples current content and ideas.
I doubt i'll ever go back to a windows box but it would be great to see some new features from vista. - zionKing, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10@Yarnage... That is interesting but as consistent with my own experience as a bowl of pourage is consistent with Jennifer Connelly. I respect what you say, I'm just trying to make sense of it. I have relied on OS X for over a year and have had no problems like you mention. In fact the experiences you describe seem really bizzarre. When I read what your wrote, it was like reading "Lots of people say Pizza tastes good. Well, it doesn't. Beets taste much better. I worked at a restaurant and people all of the time said 'Give me some Beets Pizza tastes like *****'". I'm not making fun or disbelieving what you're claiming, it's just jarring to read something so inconsistent with my own experiences. But that's the beauty of the Internet I guess. Thanks for sharing... I'd be more interested in what problems specifically you experienced with plists (what Applications, etc.).
ps. I have *nothing* against beets. - pabster, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14Microsoft and Secure Desktop in the same sentence?
- Allanon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Active Desktop is in Win98 and above and allows people to use desktop widgets. It just never really been a feature used by a lot of people. I think Microsoft took notice and instead of reinventing the wheel they looked at what people were using and went with it. What's wrong with that?
- dan90251, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Now my question is... can I run it on a Macbook Pro and Macbook???? I mean the "ultimate" edition ofcourse.
- MagicBobert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I quote from the photo slideshow:
"Hands on the clock gadget move with realistic-looking physics."
Just what we need! Realistic clock physics! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@Zionking:
Pourage? LOL! You get 25 points for most creative spelling of 'porridge'. :) - crc515, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I've used macs for years and have always preferred them, not necessarily for the OS, more for stability, etc.
I've never been a windows basher, but I've been working on a PC for about 6 mos, working always with multiple windows open and it is a hell of a lot easier to work with multiple windows in OS X than windows. Not sure if Vista will address this problem, but little "live" pop-ups ain't gonna do it. I really don't care about translucency's look and all of that I don't want the OS getting in my way when i work and XP gets in the way all the time. It's making me more and more want to work in a mac environment not because it's "apple" and "cool" and all of that but because after using both I find OS X superior in a work environment, with that said though, this Xp does fell snappier, of course I have 2gigs of ram, but it's still not fast enough to overcome the very clumsy way of using XP. Case in point, in OS X I have a finder window open and I need to copy a file to another folder, drag the file over the folders they open and I can get to the folder I want. I just found out XP doesn't do that. I have to copy open all the folders/drives until I get to the folder I want and than paste. What a waste of time! - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I still think UI is just dreadful looking due to the clutter. Microsoft needs to go through every single UI element and ask themselves "Is this an option/button/etc that a user NEEDS as a persistent UI element?" For instance, in IE do you really need a big "Tools" button? Do you goto your tools menu enough to sacrifice GUI space on it? Little stuff like that makes the difference between a clean, usable UI, and a kitchen sink, design by committee train wreck GUI.
- lupinglade, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Anyway, clearly vista is all Mac OS X ripoffs, really, come on... if anyone can't tell... you've got to be kidding yourself.
- esac, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9And this is any different than every screenshot of linux i've seen that gets posted here? I can't believe they have a freaking database (shots.osdir.com) of the same damn linux screen over and over and over and over again. Now _that_ is ridiculous.
- bitweever, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Schadenfreude? I didn't know that word, had to look it up. You learn something new everyday.
- wildwobby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Come on guys...
Every OS Microsoft has ever released looked "spectacular." Then, when they are finally released, and the hype is not so much a couple months later... viruses and other bugs come...
I know this is going to happen my self... unfortunately... that's why I'm going Apple next month. - psylence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Welcome, Windows users, to the world Linux and OSX users have had for years...
Have fun waiting another 4 years for the next leap. - dgp1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5[vintechsys]: They are a software company that is trying to bring all the formats to one place.
Oh ha ha haha ahhahahahahahaa.
I'm not trying to be an anti-ms-fanboy or anything here... but Microsoft doesn't give half a crap about any "formats" but the ones they OWN and CONTROL. That's because after Vista, when there are no more "features" they can possibly convince anyone they need, they want to be able to hold your data hostage and say "if you don't upgrade to Windows Vista Extreme Power Plus Turbo Edition XE, your WMAs, encrypted DOCs, and your home movies (.MSWMM) will all expire."
Nah, not really. That's pretty tinfoil-hat. All they're *really* going for in their crusade to make everything proprietary is to make it a pain in the ass to switch to Linux or Mac. If all your files are in Windows-only or Windows-centric formats, it's a big disincentive. Not to mention that in the Decade of DRM, soon most files will be encrypted "for your security and to prevent CYBERTERRORISM!!" so that even TRYING to decode them so you can use an alternative OS will be a criminal act (Thanks DMCA). - hunchback, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7This is a nice screen, I really think so, except the greeting line, I donno if Macs has this kind of thing, but it seeems retarded welcoming me to my own computer, it reads "John, welcome to your computer"
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l=&s=25234&a=178867&po=16,00.asp
Like I bought the ***** computer, and I lug it around I park it on my desk, I use it everyday ... hey welcome you to what you use every single ***** day, hi welcome to your insincere computer, John, welcome to your ***** computer ...
Oh yeah to all those who say Macs are gay, Welcome to ***** Windows!! - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4No, that's how it pretty much looks. I tried it myself. Useless feature IMO.
- jeffgtr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ok before I get accused of windows bashing. I work 50/50 on mac and windows. I don't think this looks any better than OSX does TODAY..seriously. And who knows what is coming soon with Leopard. I started using a Mac again 8 months ago. For me the computer is a tool and I flat out get more done in OSX period. Granted XP is relatively stable if you keep antivirus and spyware at bay, and don't use IE unless you have to. It's not a horrible OS and I'm sure Vista won't be horrible, it's just, for me anyway, OSX is less problematic and better thought out. Why is it I feel I have to post these facts anytime I write something pro Mac? Because of these "cult o' mac" accusations that get bandied about. With that said, these shots of Vista don't look bad, it just looks overdone, you know like someone overusing drop shadows and bevels in photoshop. It seems to me that the look and feel of Vista will get tiresome after the new wears off.
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