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- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32My initial inspection tells me that 37signals' online apps rock. User reviews seem to confirm that. I'd like to utilize them for a startup company I'm developing. But when you look at the individual apps, each with their own functionality that would certainly be handy, doesn't the price get a little daunting??? How about a REASONABLE package price for access to all the apps? Or am I really expected to drop $400 a month FOREVER if I want to manage projects, contacts, and notes, plus a little group chat here and there? Yikes.
I knew the promise of "pay as you go" software sounded better for the developers than for the users... - 100101111, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13http://www.highrisehq.com/
- Mootabolife, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16By that logic, you should design your own computer, use your own OS, and live in a biodome in Antarctica.
- Nogger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11You use the same thing as everyone else? Because I have a "Import from Basecamp" link on the contacts tab.
- webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"By that logic, you should design your own computer, use your own OS, and live in a biodome in Antarctica."
We can all dream... - ksoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Meh, i'd rather like to see the functionality of Highrise brought into Basecamp instead of it being another independent management system.
- ohhmaagawd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+737signals is in the software biz to MAKE MONEY. novel idea.
- rip747, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4no offense to 37signals but, as mentioned, for all their apps, you'd be paying around $400 a month or about $5000 a year. For that amount of money you could buy Win2003 SBS and a bunch of CALS for Exchange. I doubt a small company has more than 20 employees.
- six15solutions, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually, yes it can import all contacts you have in your Basecamp account. That's the first thing I did when I signed up for Highrise.
- tgunner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Anyone else think from the title that the company got a sweet new building?
- PsycoMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5In a row?!
- Jhorra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Jorge
I saw a talk from the main developer, and he stated that they try to make their apps as simple and stripped down as possible, which probably leads to the less robust feel. They are pretty rock solid though from my experiences. - cecil_t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If you're using them for a startup company you likely wouldn't need the unlimited plans for each product like your pricing suggests. Probably the lowest business plan would be sufficient to get you started for a 6-8 person company which means you could have the whole suite for under $100 / month.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Daylite looks impressive, but can you use it to collaborate with clients or outsiders (who don't own Daylite) via the Internet? That's the appealing thing about 37signals' stuff for me.
- JorgeGonzalez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I agree. 37signals makes strong software that makes sense, but at the same time, their apps don't feel as robust as many industry alternatives, which is why I always thought their pricing scheme was a bit much.
But obviously they're successful, so who the ***** am I tell 'em they're wrong? - davidogren, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm not going to say that some vendors haven't used "pay as you go" pricing models to invisibly raise prices, but 37Signals pricing is MUCH lower than the competiton. $400/month gives you unlimited use of their entire product line. Try going to Oracle, Microsoft, or BEA and saying you'd like to have have unlimited use for $400/month.
Salesforce.com, Highrise's main competition, claims a _starting_ price of $65/user/month. In comparison, Highrise offers a 15 user bundle for $49/month. Highrise doesn't have every feature that Salesforce does, but Highrise is a lot easier to use. Siebel, the other big CRM player, has traditional pricing that is probably going to cost you hundreds of thousands to start, and thousands per month in maintenance.
So for a small company, your choices appear to be:
37 Signals : $49/month.
Salesforce : ~ $325/month depending on features and discounts
Siebel : out of your league
And you are probably paying your coffee vendor more than $49/month, so 37 Signals looks like the best deal in town. 37 Signals, Joyent and all of these software as a service companies are a huge blessing to all of those little companies out there that don't want or need to build out their own systems. They end up with better applications, for less hassle, less money, and less up front costs. - fboliv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@fudgie, you mean goplan.info
- mgadalsky, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Wonderful! Hard to beleive. http://hobbyzoom.blogspot.com
- tawker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, it's a lot simpler than sugarCRM for sure, and it even loads faster.
Honestly though, if someone can come out with a flat rate integrated package that functions like 37signals, it would be the bomb. Everything you need, nothing you don't.
Well, I guess I shouldn't leak what I'm working on.... not yet anyways :) - rob2000007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They've got some good ideas in there, but they're (sadly) missing the killer feature.
LDAP
I want to enter a new contact ONCE and I want that to be sync'd everywhere I need it. Blackberry, Outlook, my inner-office web app, and now Highrise so that I can use the e-mail tracking features etc for customer communication. - nonrecursive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I would probably try this if I didn't already have daylite (http://www.marketcircle.com/daylite/) which is completely awesome. Daylite has also usurped basecamp in functionality. Daylite syncs with my blackberry and works with Apple's Mail, Ical, etc.
It's actually surprising to me that 37s went to the bother of making this app and make so much fuss about using it themselves when Daylite seems better. - fudgie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There are TONS of alternatives to Basecamp. From my own www.clockingit.com, to Zoho's suite, to goplan.com, to 14dayz.com, to activeCollab, etc. Depends a bit on what kind of features you want, but there are quite a few good replacements.
- orangery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1what are some basecamp alternatives?
- cds0528, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the full-fledged version wasn't meant for personal use, it was meant for small businesses and collaboration, which does a lot more than any free thing you'll ever find and does it well. I would never buy this, doesn't mean it's not good and not useful to some people.
- jdpace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe because Daylite seems to be a Mac app and this is a web based app...
Nice looking program though - Yaroslav, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That's funny, highrise is WAY more complicated than your standard addressbook.
- cds0528, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't know if that was a good comment or not, but it sure sounded like spam, dugg down
- cloudsoup, on 10/12/2007, -1/+037Signals launched a product - can't remember which - with the claim they'd do a special deal for schools. I emailed. I'm still waiting.
Their focus appears to be on rounded corners and vignettes. I think their star is on the wane. Very 2.0, very passe. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"Probably the lowest business plan would be sufficient"
The problem is the lowest level business plans don't include all the features, some of which may be considered vital.
And yes, the $400/month is an exaggeration for my own situation, but the point remains that this is an expensive software service, and seems to run counter to the "accessible and affordable" mantra of most web-based apps I've seen thus far. - michaelGregoire, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Their apps all hype...
- riplikethat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1"blah blah blah.. this new contact manager is so supremely useful that you wonder why all the other contact managers were so poor. It ’s designed for all those small businesses that need to manage their contacts.. blah blah blah.."
So you are saying that it's a contact manager? No *****. Use it 5 more times first. - d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1The highest price possible seems to be $149/month, not $400. Unless, I guess, you are referring to having Basecamp+Highrise+Campfire.
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1What does this do that a shared contact list + cc'ing emails to the proper people won't do?
- bushawa, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Yeah, I am not about to drop that kind of money for web applications. I might as well wait until I am done learning Ruby on Rails and make my own or go with the free web apps that are lurking in the corners.
- plncrzy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I hope more people get the joke and dig you back up. :)
- Skyhoper, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7Too bad I can't import all the contacts I already added to Basecamp.
- realbeandip, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0I guess my point I'm certainly not going to pay for an online application since there are so many good ones that are free, and are managing somehow to stay in business. How they are I don't know, but they are.
Don't shoot the messenger. - 1053r, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1I don't know if this is a good product or not, but the summary sure reads like spam. buried.
- realbeandip, on 10/12/2007, -9/+0Um... it's not free? (well it is, but the free version is useless)
Seriously, do people pay for online apps? I never have... never even considered it.
Besides, I'm sure google will come out with something better, for free.
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