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- mianos, on 11/11/2007, -1/+15java is not native, it's a virtualized environment right down to the instruction set. All in all uTorrent wine is more 'native'. The CPU in the machine is actually executing the uTorrent executable instructions.
- strcmp, on 11/11/2007, -3/+15You think Azureus is a native client?
- TrueVox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13SWEET! Finally. I've been waiting to get away from Azurus. I mean, it's ok and all, but it is a HOG!!!
- Kethinov, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12There are a LOT of bit torrent clients for Linux. Many of which are extremely lightweight. What is the benefit of running utorrent in WINE? Especially given WINE's overhead?
- volcompimp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"He means it at least runs without a virtualization environment. "
@jugalator:
It runs on a java VIRTUAL MACHINE which just so happens to be a virtualization environment. - cpirate, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14You think Azureus is a HOG and bloated, wait till you start running WINE.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7davidarussell: better get your facts straight before spreading FUD, like you're doing now. Go to utorrent's homepage and read the announcement there. Thank you.
- forceflow2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Because rufus, and the "other great clients" for linux do not support nearly the number of features as utorrent does. If for instance you could point me in the direction of a lightweight linux client that has DHT and protocol encryption support, I would be very glad to use it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6its meant for windows, and its being emulated on linux...
why dont you ask the same thing about microsoft office when its run thru wine or crossover office ?
being a small app by a relatively unknown coder doesnt make it inferior, and nor does the author have to release his source, just because its a bittorrent app and not a missile controlling software. - Genius16, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9i have to agree. using uTorrent with wine is feeding a cat lion food.
- volcompimp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5If it were a linux program that'd be a good point but when it comes to Windows software, not everyone likes to open their code as freely. It's a great piece of freeware and I respect that. It's the owners decision and hopefully in the future he'll consider opening it up.
- codacu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Ya, great news, now people can get rid of the bloated clients they are using.
- gookie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10How come no one is bitching about utorrent being closed source? funny, eh? Prolly this "closed source" card will take place in the future when some better open source client kicks the hell out of it. Hay.
- volcompimp, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Is that your answer to spyware as well?
- gollo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3uTorrent is nice but I prefer kTorrent on linux. The featuers are pretty much the same although uTorrent is a bit more polished.
- Monoboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think one reason uTorrent is closed source is the creator wants more control over the project and not have a ton of branches come off of it.
- tactless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Dugg just for the fix. The quintessential "D'Oh!" :)
BTW, rtorrent kicks all ass ;) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5isnt that what the title is ? lol
- ericmoritz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I just started using torrentflux. It's sweet, it uses a web interface to manage the queue.
- slack31337, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I see all of these other client listed but do any of them support encryption? With the traffic shaping that all the big ISPs are using now there are only a couple (Azureus and uTorrent) That support it. Are there any Linux clients that support encryption naively ?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Most people just want something that works. Personally I feel that if the source is made available, wonderful, if not, it's no big deal. Ludde, the utorrent author has already explained on the utorrent forum why he isn't opening up the source for the near future.
utorrent works great. I have tried all the Windows-based BT clients (though none of the Linux ones), and I can easily say it's the best of a good bunch. Besides, what takes more effort, coding a new piece of software from the ground up, or modifying an existing, tried-and-tested interface (WINE) to make an excellent piece of software work on Linux? Your attitude of blindly hating anything that isn't open source is part of the reason people turn away from Linux. I don't hate Linux btw, it's come a very long way since Mandrake 6.0 (the 1st distro I tried about 8 years ago), I just can't stand the narrow-minded morons who think *all* software should be OSS. The rest of us just want good software, regardless of the license. - AlphaToxic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@StringCheesian: Pre 1.1.4 versions worked, everything newer than that (1.1.4 is VERY old) would refuse to connect to the tracker.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There's rtorrent, ctorrent and now Transmission has a CLI client. They're all in various states of completion, but I've found TransmissionCLI to work best for me. (then there are the python clients, but they're all hideous IMO).
- Arevos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No, he's right. WINE isn't an emulator. It's a reverse-engineered Windows API. This means that whilst there's memory overhead (since all the WINE libraries need to be loaded), the CPU overhead is fairly low. Games running on WINE aren't noticably slower that games running natively on Windows. Indeed, there have even been benchmarks that seem to show the opposite. Whilst I'm skeptical of such results, it's not outside the realm of possibility.
- volcompimp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Are there any descent linux torrent clients out there? (not azureus!)
I plan on making room on my hard drive for linux and finding out how to get my video working properly and utorrent is probly the only descent freeware program on my computer that I find hard to believe it's not open source. - rageguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm interested how WINE + µTorrent compares to Azurus in terms of memory consumption. Anyone want to install the CVS wine and try it out?
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There is also Transmission (http://transmission.m0k.org/ ), and patches have recently been committed for support for TorrentFlux.
- cynyr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4why should i have to buy more ram, letthe coders make better use of it and everything should become faster and more stable.
- WanderLustMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yeah, I use torrentflux on a headless system here at home. That way all I need to do is keep one computer on that allows me to login from anywhere and queue torrents to download. very easy. http://www.torrentflux.com
- emeidi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Boys, why not simply use btlaunchmanycurses? Who needs a GUI anyway when you can control your downloads over SSH, from almost anywhere in the world?
- gookie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5stupidity, why would you use utorrent + WINE when there are other great clients in linux? One is Rufus, it even has RSS.
http://rufus.sourceforge.net/ - Kethinov, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5WINE Is Not an Emulator. ;)
What gets me is why the utorrent people don't just open the damn source so someone can port it. Or at the very least, compile the app against winelib so we can get a native version that doesn't require being run through the wine process.
What benefit is there for keeping it a closed source app? Seems to me like it's vanity decision, which I will never understand. - Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@cyanidenfs
Although there is nothing wrong with closed source, there is very little quality closed source software aimed specificaly at Linux. XOver office is, but even they give alot of code back to WINE. Other closed source applications such as vmware are frowned upon in favour of open source alternatives. That's just the way it is with *nix. - marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4dont forget rtorrent.
- joey222, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1they need to get der act together user run utorrent because its a light weight client, but having to run it within WINE does not make it lightweight for everyone.
its nice to see it running on linux but it has to become a nativ app b4 it will gather any major weight from linux users - wisam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The created a FAQ here
http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=17280 - lowesch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3try rtorrent =) its neat.
- lowesch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm suggesting rtorrent, a very nice torrent client =)
Running it mysefl - sLydE, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Are there any decent torrent clients for linux with a CLI interface? I'm running a content server at home, and trying to save electricity by not having my other windows computers running 24/7, and would like something I could screen and ssh into to check on.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2so ?
a lot of high-end stuff in linux is closed-source...
closed source does not automatically equal to bad/inefficient code. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3im happy i can use utorrent in linux.
i would be more happier if it was native and not emulated ;) - noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a fast processor and lots of memory, so I use Azureus anyway. Wine is a pain, and I find my computer runs really well with my system, 2.6.15 kernel, and Blackdown Java. :|
Flaunt it if you gots it. - tackle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've always felt that Azureus is not such a bad memory hog on linux machines. Maybe because JRE has a better implementation on Linux platform. I've already switched to UTorrent on my windows machine. But, I think I'll stick to Azureus on my linux machine simply because I havent had any problems with it and I dont trust WINE.. Not yet.
- WanderLustMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this is interesting, does anybody know? Does the bittorrent or bittornado clients in linux support encryption?
- lordhomer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So, since there has not been a concise answer to a question raised above, I'll re-ask with what I know as a partial answer to this question:
"Because rufus, and the "other great clients" for linux do not support nearly the number of features as utorrent does. If for instance you could point me in the direction of a lightweight linux client that has DHT and protocol encryption support, I would be very glad to use it."
I know of 3: Azureus, uTorrent, and BitComet 0.68. Anyone know of any other, as I would like to know as much as forceflow2 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Are there any other BT clients with protocol encryption for Linux? Apart from Azureus, of course. Just curious.
edit: just noticed someone already asked, oh well... - cookiecaper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WINE is not an emulator omg.
Furthermore, if you want to be all dumb about stuff, all torrent apps with a GUI are running on some other set of libraries and therefore would be subject to all these same complaints.
WINE IS NOT AN EMULATOR - durerca, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The reason that Ludde keeps µTorrent closed source is because he doesn't want people creating derivatives of his program that don't respect the BT community (i.e., not respecting the private flag, allowing little sharing, etc.).
- rockbuster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I second rtorrent. Though CLI-based, it can be configured to pick automatically new torrents from a directory. And it's really friendly on resources. Usually less than 1 % here on my Sempron 2600.
- CptnObvious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I agree KTorrent is very nice, and looks/works very similar to uTorrent while staying integrated with KDE.
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