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- gleffler, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32Link to actual article instead of somebody's stupid blog:
http://www.troyrecord.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1170&dept_id=7021&newsid=16606489&PAG=461&rfi=9
It turns out the NY chapter of the ACLU is threatening to sue over it. A lot more to the story than the OP says.
Oh, and of course this is being done "for the children" because they can't tell if someone filming/photographing at a skating rink is a pedophile, therefore we'll ban the whole thing. Kiddie porn seems to be a good excuse for any invasion of civil liberties nowadays. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29Last time I checked pedophiles liked less clothes, not more.
Did they ban photography at the local elementary school playground too...and how about not allowing a school yearbook as it is a pedophile's payboy mag... - dorkafork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20"Yes, but there's no "taking pictures" bit in the constitution."
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. 9th Amendment. - lysdexic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20"Yes, but there's no "taking pictures" bit in the constitution."
One more time for the cheap seats, the Constitution doesn't grant citizens rights. It grants the government rights. Read the 10th ammendment. - marksven, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17This is unconstitutional, but sadly this kind of thing has been going on more and more lately. Even some police officers are ignorant of the law and confront people for taking pictures in public places. People using professional equipment tend to draw the most attention.
This is a good document to carry around when taking pictures to show security guards, homeland security, and local officials who are ignorant of the law (The Photographers Right PDF):
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm - zeio, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Totalitarian crap. And people trust this government and are willing to give the government our firearms rights when they are actively telling you how to live your life DESPITE your lifestyle not interfering with others rights to life, liberty, property or the pursuit of their own happiness.
He should arrested for suppressing the taxpayers and serve 1000 hours of community service.
Government officials behaving like this should be met with strong threatening resistance. Why? Trivial things like this eventually extrapolate to an end where people are herded into ovens and genocide. - gleffler, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17It's a skating rink. Owned by the city/state. Therefore, public in the most far-reaching sense of the word. Really, is reading the ***** article just too much to comprehend?
- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13It's sad when healthy parental love is buried under the weight of modern paranoia.
There just has to be a better balance than this. - AstroPHX, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16@faulkner, the author is referencing The Beastie Boys. Lighten up, grammar cop.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17dugg, but only becuase I used to live in Troy, that place is a SCUMPIT!
- Kinsbane, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11This is funny, considering the Supreme Court ruled photography is legal anywhere a certain level of privacy isn't expected. EG, pictures of fans at a ball game, etc, etc.
- superal1394, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12hey, I'm kinda close... (Binghamton NY). I have to agree somewhat with this, there are ALOT of strange people in bing, but banning photography is just ridiculous. Kicking people out because they are taking pictures of specifically children is another thing.
- Linkage155, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11One day you'll need permission from the city hall to cross the sidewalk..
- 0x0000ff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Coming again, to save the *****' day yeah!!
- nogami, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10What the hell is the problem? The kids aren't exactly naked or anything, they're in a frikken ice skating rink... More dumb f**king policitians...
"Please think of the children!" - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Ok so....no photography at skating rinks, where everyone is bundled up in warm clothes-- but unrestricted photography, by anyone, even with a telephoto lens, at public beaches in NY, which are state-owned.
Makes sense, huh? (sarcasm)
Many beaches in the NY/NJ area traditionally EVEN have those power-binocular things --where you insert a coin, on the boardwalk, and then can ogle anyone on the beach.
(Uh Oh...the supposed anti-pedophile regulations might conflict with the generally acepted practice, or 'right', even, of ogling women...traditional in our sick-ass culture.)
It's just more government LIES!
They will seize upon any idea that can induce fear and mistrust....and use it to manipulate people, to desensitize them, preparing us for their more fascistic agenda for us all.
Bitches! - Omnius, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11What's next? Police checkpoints when you pick up your kids from school? You Americans get some really scary laws passed down there.
- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10What sensational BS? This already happened with the New York subway system. Now they're trying their luck with skating rinks.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10of course I can't spell nor edit my comment after so much time ... damn you digg damn you.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8we are having the same rubbish here in australia.
aside from obvious places like nude beaches, if i'm a public place and i want to take a photo i'm going to. I'm so sick of hysterical ***** pushing their paranoia on the rest of the community.
banning camera's isn't the answer, you can sit back with telescopic lenses and take photos and no one is the wiser. ever heard of hidden cameras? you won't stop people who are sick enough to take these photo's.
all you are doing is preventing people capturing important moments in their lives, and who the ***** do they think they are to do so? - quamb, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13AMERICA F*** YEAH!
- tdowling, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Why do I get the feeling that you have some anger issues?
- northerncomfort, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13TO PAAAAAARTY
- rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The Executive Director cannot override the freedoms outlined in our nation's archives, guaranteeing people life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If it is TRULY a PUBLIC rink, they should sue the Director and the rock he hides under.
- Ericular, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6To be fair, I don't think this is really a law that was passed -- it just seems to be a new policy that the rink is attempting to enforce.
- Kinsbane, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5mark, that PDF is what I carry with me every time I go out, even if I don't have a camera in hand. Good pointing that out.
- PunkFenixJT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5haha I'm in the process of tryin to graduate from RPI. Troy def is pretty scummy, I could imagine quite a few pedophiles taking pics at a rink.
- bejitunksu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Just more 'Guilty until proven innocent' *****.
Focus your punishments on the pedophiles not the parents. - freeman755, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They forgot to mention terrorists and al-queda in the article. Not only is it a pathetic attempt to scare people, it's a half-assed attempt. Lol
- Ericular, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7What's the logic here? We should ignore the erosion of the liberties that make this country so great, in honor of those who have (in some people's opinion) bigger issues?
- Ahnteis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Quick question: If someone is wandering around on public property, do they have the right to put cameras on their feet and take pictures up women's skirts?"
No. I believe the legal term is "reasonable expectation of privacy".
If you are sunbathing in your front yard however, and someone snaps a photo -- boohoo you. (Unless you have a very high fence, etc.) - mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Because they might not give that permission and why the hell should you need permission to take pictures of your own kid in the first place?! Duh! This has nothing to do with pedophiles, it's just pure BS.
- seanslater, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yeah, it's ridiculous isn't it? You have to wonder how far it can go... will they ban Play School or other childrens programs on TV because pedophiles might watch them too?
from 4th November 2005..
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/beach-photo-ban-call/2005/11/04/1130823397675.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5how much they want to has no bearing on how legal it is.
if that was the case i'd be allowed to put a bullet in jessica simpsons head - Ericular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3While I agree that these kind of policies are getting a little over-the-top, at least a shopping mall does have the legal right to restrict photography inside their doors. An outdoor skating rink that is easily visible from public property has no comparable right to enforce the same policy.
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Why can't those damn pedophiles just go back into the closet, and become catholic priests?
- stark23x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I used to live across the bridge in Albany. We called Troy "the Troylet." :)
- Ericular, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I don't see how this is going to stand up legally. The rink can tell me that I can't take photos, but if I'm standing on public property, shooting people that have no reasonable expectation of privacy (even if they are located on private property), I have every right to do so.
What would happen next? The police will come? What grounds will they arrest me on? What if I showed them the photos and they were only of adults? Still arrested?
I can't see this holding up in court. Can anyone else? - RevMark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Won't last long. Blantant First Amendment violation.
- seventoes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4What... we dont now?? No wonder they look at me weird!
- kilofox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4This "security" story is a joke..........
- pgm_01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Many schools are completely locked down during the day, some even use retinal or fingerprint scanners before you can step inside. Paranoia sells papers and keeps the weak in power.
- Silencer7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Photographic memory, eh?
Book 'im, Danno. - Caulfield, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Although I'm Canadian, I believe the correct glass-half-full message is: at least you're not in New Jersey.
- modulo1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm going to echo superal's comment and say that there are a lot of strange people in this area. Ask me how I know.
(I'm from oneonta, we make conservatives look well-adjusted.) - modulo1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In Daily Times Democrat v. Graham (1964), "[A] newspaper in Alabama published a photograph of a woman whose dress was lifted by jets of air at a Fun House at a county fair. The court ruled that the photograph, which showed her panties, had no "legitimate news interest to the public" and upheld an award of $ 4166 to plaintiff, for invasion of her privacy."
Not exactly the same thing, but it has the panty, pubic space, photography trifecta, and it was an interesting conflict to the "no reasonable expection to privacy" in a public space ruling, most likely because this was a matter of journalistic integrity.
It was 1964, I am almost positive a different value system was at work.
edit: forgot the citation-http://www.rbs2.com/privacy.htm - boycy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Rasterbater that's the wrong attitude. What is it with people immediately going for the 'sue' button as soon as somebody wrongs them in the slightest.
Get a backbone, tell the director to go f**k himself and leave it at that :D - breakneckridge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Unfortunately the Bush administration seem to have no problem passing laws that are completely unconstitutional. So if the laws are unconstitutional, why doesn't the Supreme Court strike them down? Good question.
- masterpenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2As a Rensselaer County resident (far from Troy thankfully) I'm going to write a very angry letter to the county DA (and all of the other elected officals in my county).
Unfortunally I have very little faith that she will do anything as there have been a series of serious ethics violations from her office. Furthermore the county is a republican stronghold and have little fear of people with different opinions. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Did they ever actually catch ANY pedophiles taking photos at this skating rink!? What prompted the manager to come up with this law? Was he sitting around and it just dawned upon him on day that there might be pedophiles roaming about all over his skating rink with hidden cameras taking pics of fully-clothed kids?
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