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- tidu, on 10/12/2007, -9/+37Depends how it enters my body...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36"Would You Volunteer To Be Implanted With A Microchip?"
Not just "no"... but "HELL no". Period. End of story. - cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24Beware the RFID chip that's programmed with the numbers "666"
- NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Despite the fact that I usually love all new technology, getting implanted with a microchip is still rather terrifying to me.
No matter what guarantees I get that it will not be used maliciously or surreptitiously by the government or otherwise, I'm not particularly fond of being so inseparably attached to a digital identity.
It takes very small steps to move from using something like that to unlock your house, start your car, or pay for something, to tracking your movements, monitoring what you buy and show interest in, and a new form of identity theft. It's a step closer to big brother in a way we've never seen before, and knowing how much governments like secrets, it wouldn't be hard to imagine (NSA wiretapping anyone?) them moving into significant surveillance. - borchard76, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15No. This is a terrible idea, and is unlikely to lead to anything good.
The probability of this getting abused is far too high, and the likelihood of it causing damage to a person is very high.
No thanks. - BradDollar, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16I would get it if there would be a guarantee the government or somebody would not use it adversely. Since that will never happen there would have to be an easy way to remove it myself when I deemed it neccesary. Since I don't see either of those happening ultimately I would never get it.
- Celeron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11No way I'm letting the government invade my body.
- deboosher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10i agree. no thanks.
- DigiShaman, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15@bbtrev
You want to wear the "Mark of the Beast" where you can be tracked and your money is controlled and taxed without your consent?
If it hasn't sunk in yet, just think of the "Beast" as the government. It always grows and hungers for more and more power and control. With this chip, you're it's bitch and effectively marked.
You've been 0wn3d! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Sure, if they can stream porn to it.
- namgge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Well there would be a guarantee, but knowing the government, they would just screw you over anyway.
- milesd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11No.
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -11/+18Well, you are "quietbob", so I imagine it won't be too loud.
- AcidBath, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12What about pace makers or all the other gadgetry we implant in ourselves to stay healthy and functioning? People have been putting microchips into their body for decades when they don't have a choice.
But if it IS your choice everyone starts crying about the Mark of the Beast (tm) - Tabris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Technically you can't be paid for undergoing tests....it can only be enough to compensate you for medication and *****. But hell, there are 100s of ways around that. Some people make their income volunteering for medical tests. :)
Let me know when we get cybernetic visual enhancers or something in like one eye that let you switch between, say, different wavelengths of light. That would be sick beyond belief to be able to see RF waves and crap. - theballdredge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12How do you figure the chip is "the mark of the beast"? Nobody is making you get it, keep your foolish religious nuttery to yourself, please.
YET. nobody is making you get it YET.
Im not getting one. ever. period. religious nuttery has nothing to do with it, its a privacy concern. - dubwai, on 10/24/2007, -0/+6"People really shouldn't freak out about this. It's probably way more secure than your SSN, which is already tied to tons of info about you that the government already knows about. Having an RFID chip doesn't make it any easier for you to be "tracked" by the government-- it actually makes it harder for a thief to steal your identity."
Are you for real? I don't know where you live but I don't have to turn over my SSN everytime I buy some cheetos and sixpack. Or walk into a library. Or drive though a toll booth. Or walk on the sidewalk.
Exactly how does having a radio signal that uniquely identifies you transmitted at all times from inside your body NOT make it easier to track you? - Thundercat1971, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Great, my RFID chip crashed and now I can't use my arm!
- ckasprzak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5F that noise, I don't want to be tracked like some wild animal!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6""It's always with me, always in my hands, and I'll never lose it," Krieger said."
All it takes is a punk with an axe, knife or hacksaw etc. to prove Krieger wrong. - overbyte, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7also the digital angel chip was cloned within minutes of being shown -http://digg.com/security/Hackers_CLONE_Human_implanted_RFID_chip_in_Minutes_at_Conference
that's like having a tat that you hate within 5 seconds of having it done - diggduggjoe, on 10/24/2007, -1/+6They will have the technology to read these things from afar. You will be tracked.
- JohnboiWaltune, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why cant you just carry it in your pocket or on your key ring? Why does it have to be injected into your flesh?
- FyreGoddess, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4The technology already exists to read RFID chips without you knowing. Frankly, the technology is prevalent that reads RFID chips with your knowledge, but I think that a vast majority of people don't realize the implications of it.
With RFID chips being placed in driver's licenses, credit cards, keyless entry systems, etc., the capability to track individuals is already here... it should be nation-wide by the time you get your driver's license renewed next. If you think that the technology to track and hack isn't already being used by more than just the government, you're sorely misinformed. It's not nearly as widespread as it could easily become, but it's most definitely out there.
I don't know how much more extreme the implants really are. If you carry a credit card or the keys to a newish car, you can be tracked. If you have an EZ Pass (for automatically paying tolls), then you are already *being* tracked as part of the traffic pattern analysis, not only on highways, but also in cities that have the readers installed on traffic lights.
It's not the technology it self that's the threat, it's what's being done with the data that's collected, or at least the potential for what *can* be done. But make no mistake, that data is already being collected by a number of sources, not all of them harmless. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why would I want the Government to track every move I make?
- AcidBath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ L2006
But if by identifiable you mean you could be ID'd by the chip then we have the same problem with any biometric tools.... retinal scans, fingerprints, someday even on-the-fly DNA scanning.
So far criminals hacking off the fingers of people to gain access to biometric protected systems has not shown to be an issue, so I don't see how this would be any different. - fohf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3you are probably the same kind of person who doesn't care about individual freedoms, in case you haven't noticed, the government has been slowly eroding our freedom. Implants would be another step towards imprisonment. IMO.
- ronjohnson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You can't fix stupid, while the intentions may be noble like medical ID, someone will always find a way to use this against you. Not worth the risk.
- ZenKai, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8"Thou art out of thy bloody mind."
-ZenKai 4:12 - shuichiyuki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I am not a dog and I do not want to be treated as one. This will just allow for our extremely corrupt government to be more taxing, and just give them more power over us. It is bad news.
- tony23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's downright chilling how many people seem to have no problem with this.
- twiztedambience, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Maybe being human is meant to include technology since we have the brain capacity for it. Perhaps technology is our way of evolving in time rather than through genetic modifications to our bodies? An interesting thought...
- DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Only if I could be an Adrienne Barbeaubot!
/Sealab - fohf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3HELL NO!
no matter how new the technology or how 'safe' it would be or how they would never abuse it, fact is, someone will learn how to exploit it and it will have the capacity to be used against you - neverender, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6my main concern is that the signal is not even encrypted.
its a tiny radio signal broadcasting everything about you. - misteral, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@drinkGreen: "the mark of the beast is the barcode. Always has."
I programmed software to create barcodes for several years, yours is a common misconception, as the guard bars are not "6's". Further, not all "barcodes" follow the same encoding as the one you're speaking of, the UPC.
Check out snopes: http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/barcode.asp - hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@fires
I've installed and maintained RFID systems. We used them to tag our undersea cables back when I worked on oil exploration ships. They're basically a memory chip which broadcasts the data stored in it whenever it passes near an exciter/reader. The exciter puts out an oscillating magnetic field which is turned to voltage by the antenna coil of the RFID. When it gets enough juice, it spits out the data, which is more than what's needed for a simple pass-code.
>It can only be the mark of the beast if everyone's RFID id is 666.
>That would negate the whole point wouldn't it?
The 666 could be part of the pass-code, something like the www part of websites.
Or it could be an extra level of login access. For instance, some secure databases have a username, a numeric code (*), and a password. (* -- typically generated by an electronic device with the code changing every minute).
>People have been hysterical about the 'end times' since Jesus said he'll be back before >all his disciples are dead:
>
>"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall
>not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
>kingdom. (Matthew 16:28)
>
>How do you explain that?
At least a couple of individuals never died before being taken up into Heaven in the Old Testament: Enoch and the prophet Elijah. In the New Testament, in the book of John, it appears that John will remain alive, perhaps living here among us, until Jesus' return. This is the same follower that Jesus entrusted with the care of His mother, while on the Cross.
"Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?"
(New Testament KJV, John 21:20-23)
As for why St. John might die when Jesus returns, there's speculation that he could be one of the "2 Witnesses" foretold in the book of Revelation. (see Revelation 10:8-11:17) If you want me to explain that just ask. Basically John is told he must prophesy again. The 2 Witnesses prophesy, are killed, and resurrected, and all this happens about the time that the Kingdom of Heaven is extended openly into the earth.
for more RFID info...
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,68133,00.html (Albrecht, coasttocoastam, etc.)
for a semi-objective review of the Christian cult classic film from the 80's,
"Image of the Beast" ... (in which there's a blurb about forging the mark.)
http://www.coldfusionvideo.com/i/imageofbeast.html
ps. regarding the review... as for God going warcraft on the world during those times, it's a spill over from doing away with the major spiritual villians of all time and those in league with them: "the beast," "the false prophet, "death and hell," "mystery babylon," "gog & magog," "the great" (chiefs & kings & great rulers of the earth), and "the dragon. So if you're in cahoots with the dark spirits--don't be surprised when you're cast out with them. - rheaume, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@bbtrev
Dude, you know Harper got elected right? Have you kept on eye on what he's doing? he's using the Bush playbook right now, issue by issue. Welcome to hell - fantasticjon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Even if you don't believe in the Bible, doesn't the prophesy seem a little creepy and accurate.
Unfortunatly, these technologies will take hold. People though that maybe credit cards or bar codes were the mark of the beast and those technologies are widely used now. My guess is that this technology will be widespread in 30 years and paper money will disappear in 50 years.
(sorry posted in the wrong spot.)
Its too convenient for people not to adopt it and too powerful for the powers that be not to implement it . (just like bar codes and credit cards.) - lagrange, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'll take any posion pill as long as its sugar coated with a little gold old American fear or loathing.
- JohnboiWaltune, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Do you really think the government tags would work that way?
- gwjc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Of course there are these new 4Meg ones:
http://digg.com/tech_news/HP_Develops_New_Passive_RFID - dkleehammer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Two words: Microsoft & BSOD
- jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2True, its easy to pick locks, I picked one the other day with a paperclip and a small screwdriver, but that doesnt mean RFID is better. Just think about it. Sure, I can pick a lock at every try, but how easy is it for me to make a key after picking a lock? I would have to disassemble the lock, take out the tumbler assembly, and mark the pin depths. How does this work with a biomentric implant? At the HOPE conference I believe a VeriChip was hacked in a couple minutes, and once its done, you have it forever, no more picking the lock. Also realize that although it might be annoying, its relatively simple to change your locks, while if your chip is hacked, you have to have it replaced surgically. Why have a chip, when a fingerprint is more secure, since it takes physical work to replicate and use your fingerprint illegally, while it takes little to hack these chips. There is a further problem, because the authentication for these chips is going to require internet communication of the information, like credit cards, and there will inevitably be data leaks. But as I said before, you cant replace a chip like a credit card. Now, iris scanning is better, because unlike fingerprints, it is really hard to recreate. It really should only be used for security verification, and not credit unless they can find a safer way to store biometric data than in internet acessible servers that seem to get hacked...
- hexdoll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Anyone that watches old sci-fi films know that they got it right.
Soon we will all be wearing tin foil suits to stop people from reading all the RFIDs we are implanted with. - lazyrussian, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10Whatever happened to letting humans be "human"?
- dkleehammer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4The anti-christ and the beast are not the same. Revelation 19:20 describes them as two different people (the beast and the false prophet, aka 'anti-christ').
- buba447, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Robert Rodriguez funded his first feature film completely by putting himself through medical testing.
- Langford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ignoring that it's icky and gross, couldn't there be technical problems? Suppose there separate similar chips made by different companies with different non-standard reading methods? Suppose a new feature appeared, and early adopters of the technology could not support the feature without an additional implant? Suppose incompatibilities between different systems forced multiple implants, and then the implants interfered with each others operation? People don't necessarily hang on to an expensive computer for much longer than a decade, but this thing is supposed to remain useful for life? It's most likely going to be a weird irritating lump that a person finds and pokes at in their old age, all the while remembering when it was almost useful.
- davidkain, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I believe people with major health problems (such as diabetes) have a valid reason to use this technology. If it could save my life in a situation like that, yeah, I'd get the implant.
The only other desirable use for this, in my opinion, is in the military as an alternative to dog tags. -
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